I sent a relatively small tx , and the adress owner confirmed recieval.
my wallet shows everything OK.

but on blockchain.info, I can see the another much bigger transfer under this TX, to some unknown to me address.
I am affraid to even do -rescan , please tell me blockchain.info could be wrong.

wheel

currency

irrigation

steam

electricity

internal combustion

internet

bitcoin


What do you think? 

I think maybe urbanisation is more important than steam, but it is not a single invention/development. it is combination of sewers/water network/highly efficient farming/all new technologies.

this 8 points are just my first thought, maybe you can perfect it with some sugestions

Ripple is opensource now. The major not-a-cryptocoin argument is no longer valid.

Please vote and post arguments for and against.

I will list the best arguments here:



why it should stay as "not a crypto-coin":

- centralized validations - not trully open and vulnerable to goverment decisions. [xorxor]
- impossible to calcualte market cap because unknown number of 100% preallocated XRP are distributed outside the company.[xorxor]

why it is a legit alt-coin now:

-no longer security by obscurity.[xorxor]
-major problems not much worse that some BTC clones.[xorxor]

This is self moderated topic, but I will try not to  intervene.
Please know, that "premine" and "SCAM!!" are not a valid cons.

Quite nice article.

http://themonetaryfuture.blogspot.com/2013/04/flerovium-tangible-nanomoney.html


I do understand all atributes of this concept, but adaptation would be super slow and unnatural.
It has also so little advantage over gold, only more condensed value.

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ANNOUNCEMENT:

new altcoin : TLC !  Toenail LiteCoin  !

-Shares the same blockchain as LTC, so benefits from the full security and difficulty backing the Litecoin blockchain.
-Mined together with LTC - unlike ordinary merged mining, you don't get LTC plus TLC, just one or the other at your choice.
-Completely compatible with all Litecoin addresses: if you send LTC to a TLC client's address, it will automatically get converted and vice-versa.
-client shows a toenail splashscreen and icoins
-instead of stupid decimal system uses toenails:
    small toenail picture    0.00000001  - o
    medium toenail picture 0.00004250  - 0
    big toenail pucture      0.03823000  - O
    whole foot 5 toenails        2.33200000  - O000o

example :
instead of super stupid 10LTC , you can just send someone much more convenient number of

O000oO000oO000oO000oOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooo TLC !!!




-tonal bitcoin is not an altcoin, its just a bitcoin client.
-I dont have anything against TONAL system. I find it perfect, but utopian to introduce.

self moderated, I dont want it to go off-topic.
please stay on PPC

I dont want to make some artificial line, there is to many factors.
I tried to decide myself - but I keep my decisions only when there is no cotroversy.
Bacause of votes to remove it, we have to decide as a community.

[no]

please post if we traded.

I would preffer no specific information , just a simple " +1 " , or how many trades we made, or one of these:

traded up to 1BTC  volume
traded   1-10BTC    volume
traded  10 -100 BTC volume
traded  100+ BTC in total market value.

/edit:
new client available

download : http://bitbar.biz/


Hi!
I just recieved a PM to announce this coin.

so here you are:


The unique alternative to bitcoin.
 
This is a compilation of two projects by two groups: RareCoin project, and FairNova project.
It is possible to join all features in one coin, so we did just that. It is a crypto-token, designed to be investment, preservation of wealth.
Most advanced technology from Novacoin, but with public start. unique features of RareCoin.
Get your digital gold bar !
  
Ultra rare
POW+POS
Fast, continuous difficulty and reward calculation
Fair start:
no foreign forum pre release
no premine
no slow diff corrections for hours of instamining
no super-blocks at start
all binaries available
reward of 1 BTB per 10 minutes and quickly dropping
scrypt hashing

BitBar is not just another simple litecoin 30 minutes done clone.
 Increasing reward and speed is easy.
 Those networks are more vulnerable to double spend, spam and dust, but it works.
 Even bigger problem is coming. Soon, outdated difficulty adjustment will crash those networks.
 Decreasing reward in Bitbar is not just a quick move.
 Every parameter is simulated and than tested on a live alpha network.
 -no more rounding of reward down to two decimals
 -heavily reduced Stake low-limit for small number of Bars
 -adequately decreased fees
 -new dynamic first connection and search for new nodes. Doesn't need client update for fixing connections.

  Scrypt chasing itself is no longer chain-jumping anti-resonance protection. Bitbar includes modified PPC's 'exponential moving average' difficulty/reward adjustment introduced in NVC. It's modified in a way that reward decreases a little slower, so first players don't have so much advantage over later ones.
 With simulations and testing, chain should operate smoothly for years.
 no resonance,
 no high-diff crash,
 no high-fee problems,
 no spam and dust problem,
 no connections problem.
 We take lessons from competitors mistakes.

We will ask a respectable forum member for announcement. Making new account just to stay cryptonymous sounds fishy.

selling as unints of 1000 .

checked last auctions and  last trades and my price is 60-70% of them:
price changed

1000 FC   for 6 10 16 25 LTC   or 0.56 BTC FC's soldout

1000 BQC for 2 LTC or 0.045 BTC


BTC 1Girfka7cHbWiwgzzsnFHz91mc9LBqc15X
LTC LiNKzWUNCJ25R3rccmaSmLkiQF43Trh7LA

I can send first for more experienced users than me.
I can trade in chunks.

edit/

reopened

vircurex and btc-e is under very heavy DDOS.

this has been a scheme last weeks for BTC and alts. when they destroy the price while no one can sell crating panic and a flashcrash that is back to original price when ddos ends just in hour or so.

couldn't find that info anywhere, and it was a pain in the a**

check if some of your rigs are not left on 2.11.0, and upgrade to 2.11.3 or downgrade to 2.10.05

just found out one of my rigs had a forgotten 2.11.0 and when on scrypt, it tripples your rejects!!! literally!
on both stratum and getwork

im not reporting this bug, since it is nonexistent in latest version.

notroll.in : heavy ddos, page down, stratum massive rejects and long stops
coinotron : heavy ddos, page down,  long stops , ddos protection failed
litecoinpool : pool down , page up.
newozcoin : under attack, slow like snail massive rejects but some kind of working
ltcmine.ru :  down.  update : look's ok!


WTF!!!


edit:

look's like attack is over. for now.

[what is probability to find 60 blocks in a time that all calculators guess 183blocks should be found?]

well, I would consider my self an advanced user and a maths geek but i failed to find an answer so I post in a newbie section, cause I feel like one now .

what is probability to find 60 blocks in a time that all calculators guess 183blocks should be found? in all time of the test there was no change in difficulty.
I think it should be like 1/100.000 but these functions are very unintuitional so it could be 1/500 and 1/10000000000000000000.

I made a quite big deposit with express [instant] payment.

- 7 days money not added.
- 3 days no answer from support, not even "issue being checked"
- other people complaining for the same thing on chat

its more than fishy.


i made such topics in every btc forum and they got to work immediately.
lets just hope its nit because of that.

I edit my post's quite often - for example the all coins list OP - like 3 times a day. and this delete button is very close to edit.
when "delete" is klicked once with "open on new tab" scrollbutton - it kills post without confirmation button. I cant repair the damage even with backups. 

in the same thread i deleted my #74 post

NovaCoin was the first PPC fork, but not a clone!
new versions ale coded standalone, not from new ver. of PPC.
 
major changes:

1. Scrypt chashing
2. initial reward of 100 not 10000
3. slower reward drop
PPCoin cuts a half from reward for every 16x diff adjustment.
NovaCoin cuts a half from reward for every 64x diff adjustment.
4. POW difficulty adjusted for scrypt
5. POS difficulty adjusted for 100 times less coins.
6. ROI for POS changed to 0.05 coin per 1 coinyear [dynamic from 4.1]



Specifications

Coin name: Novacoin
Coin ticker: NVC
Transaction confirmation method: PoS+PoW
Transaction fee: 0.001
Number of transaction confirmation: 6
Number of block confirmation: 520

PoS target spacing: 10 minutes
Max PoS reward: 10 coins
PoS interest halves: every x8 multiply of PoS difficulty
Min stake age: 30 days
Max stake age: 90 days

PoW algo type: Scrypt
PoW target spacing: 30 minutes
Max PoW reward: 100 coins
PoW subsidy halves: every x8 multiply of PoW difficulty

P2P port: 7777 (17777 for testnet)
JSON-RPC port: 8344 (18344 for testnet)


Wiki:
https://github.com/novacoin-project/novacoin/wiki
https://wiki.novaco.in/
https://new.novaco.in/wiki
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=Novacoin
becool's FAQ (RU)

Sites:
http://novacoin.org/
https://novaco.in/
https://novacoin.ru/ (https://novacoin.su/)


origin:

  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114712.0

windows binaries, blockchain snapshot:

 https://sourceforge.net/projects/novacoin/files

source

 https://github.com/novacoin-project/novacoin

[TRUE CRYPTOCURRENCIES]

THE ORIGINAL CRYPTOCOIN LIST [version 5th January, 2014]


TRUE CRYPTOCURRENCIES
(Widely accepted, huge market cap)
 -BTC Bitcoin- First Succesful Crypto, The absolute number one.
 -LTC Litecoin-  second only to BTC , fast. Mined on GPU(Scrypt).

BIG and IMPORTANT CRYPTO'S
(big market and important innovation)

 -PPC PEERCoin- Original Proof Of Stake hybrid coin [innovative, low energy]
 -MSC mastercoin- Adds new functions to Bitcoin, operates on a bitcoin blockchain.
 -NXT Nxt- Not a clone, 100% new code, 100% PoS .
 -NMC Namecoin- Mined While mining BTC, used for alternative p2p domain system

MAJOR ALTERNATIVES
(established, significant market)


 -QRK Quark- Mixed hashing, Mined on CPU's. Extremally instamined.
 -PTS ProtoShares- Mined on CPU's, generates 10% premine on new relases.
 -MEC Megacoin- Well developed clone with good diff algo. 0 starting diff. GPU mined.
 -XPM PrimeCoin- mining PrimeCoin helps looking for prime numbers, instead of wasting energy. CPU-mined.
 -NVC NovaCoin-  scrypt hashing[like LTC], proof of stake [like PPC]
 -WDC Worldcoin- LTC clone. 30s blocks. 0 starting diff.
 -FTC FeatherCoin- LTC clone with 4x more coins. starting diff 0
 -DVC Devcoin- merged mined with BTC, 90% of generation goes to foundation, 10% to miners
 -ZET Zetacoin- BTC clone, ASIC-mined.
 -IFC infinitecoin- LTC clone with huge reward of 524288 and extreme fast reward drop.


NOTICEABLE ALTERNATIVES
(supported by community)

-TRC Terracoin- Early BTC clone, multiple diff algo problems. seems ok now.
-DOGE Dogecoin- A joke turned into quite big market.
-ANC Anoncoin- a coin with I2P support
-DGC DigitalCoin- LTC clone. 20 sec blocks. 0 starting diff + progresive reward.
-FRC Freicoin-  4.89% anual demurrage. for the first 3 years 80% block subsidy goes to foundation, 20% to miners.
-IXC IxCoin- merged mined with BTC, BTC clone.


OTHER ALTERNATIVES
(promising)

-CL Copperlark- hashing SHA-3. CPU only. Massively premined
-CGB CryptogenicBullion- 0.94% Premined NVC Clone
-MNC Mincoin- LTC clone, started with no binaries and 25000% reward blocks. 0 starting diff
-BQC BBQCoin- forgotten , now revived and active. faster version of LTC.
-GLD Goldcoin- LTC clone. 0 starting diff, 2000% superblocks at start [3.2% instamine]
-I0C I0coin- ixcoin without the premine. died 3 times.After very long time revived again.
-NET NetCoin- fast reward reduction clone.
-BTB BitBar-  scarce, PoW + PoS. GPU mined.
-YAC YACoin-  Your Alternative Currency. NovaCoin fork, with modified scrypt hashing
-BTE Bytecoin- the 1:1 bitcoin copy.Relaunched.

THE PURGATORY
(many new clones)


-FLO Florin coin- first coin with trasaction comments
-USC UnitedScryptCoin- first Merge-mined scrypt coin.
-BLC Blakecoin- Blake256 hashing - FPGA,CPU and GPU mining.
-TAG TagCoin- just a clone.
-Un Unobtanium- Scarce sha256 Clone.
-TIX Tickets- Instamined, Random reward.
-PXC PhenixCoin- LTC clone. 1'000'000 coins premine
-PyBC Coin- An example coin to show new "Python Blockchain" Library capabilities.
-FRK Franko- LTC clone. fast blocks. 0 starting diff. scarce.
-CAP Bottlecaps- NVC clone, with a 0.25 diff start and quick 9 years inflation
-NBL nibble- LTC clone. progresive starting reward.
-GME Gamecoin- unfinished FTC clone , killed on launch. failed to revive once, and now finaly revived.
-CNC CHNCoin- LTC clone, announced on chinese forum first.0 starting diff
-HBN HoboNickels- Fast NVC clone. Extreme, over 100% ROI. 0 starting diff.
-JKC JKC- LTC clone. 0 starting diff with superblocks, random superblocks.
-FST Fastcoin- LTC clone. 12 sec blocks. 0 starting diff.
-KGC krugercoin-  LTC clone. 15 sec blocks. 0 starting diff.
-BTG bitgem- NVC scarce clone. 0 starting diff


-ZCC ZcCoin- Yacoin clone.
-FEC FreeCoin- Yacoin clone.
-MemoryCoin- SHA512 + modified scrypt coin with grands.
-PHS Philosopherstone- NVC Clone with random blocks and in-blockchain messages.
-AMC Americancoin- premined LTC clone with 6.5k-14k blocks giving zero reward
-SPC supercoin- JunkCoin clone. 0 starting diff
-doubloons- LTC clone. 0 starting diff
-LKY LuckyCoin- superblocks at start, random superblocks [JunkCoin clone].
-SPT Spots- smallchange clone, 0 starting diff.
-MEM MEMEcoin-  premined LTC clone. 10 sec blocks. 0 starting diff superblocks.
-EZC EzCoin- LTC clone. 0 starting diff and superblocks
-CMC CosmosCoin- NVC fork with no fees and transaction comments
-DMD Diamond- Scarce NVC clone with random reward.
-ARG Argentum- premined LTC clone
-StableCoin-  0 starting diff, died and revived.
-SIC Sifcoin- Uses new hashing, series of SHA-3 candidates, CPU only.
-Ybc Ybcoin- YAC Clone.
-GLX Galaxycoin- Fast NVC clone with constant reward for 8 years.
-NUG Nuggets - premined LTC clone with random superblocks and constant base reward.
-LBW Lebowskis- NVC clone.
-CSC CasinoCoin- LTC clone. 0 starting diff, superblocks at start.
-EGC EagleCoin- LTC clone. 0 starting diff.
-ZTC ZenithCoin-Freicoin based -demurrage +Scrypt. 50% tax for developer.
-ONC Onecoin- a coin that has total supply of 1, Scrypt-jane
-ELP ElephantCoin- LTC Clone with random blocks and in-blockchain messages.0.4% premined.
-GLC GlobalCoin- LTC clone
-CDC Cloudcoin- 1000000 premined NVC clone with random blocks.
-GDC Grand coin- JKC clone
-PYC Paycoin - CosmosCoin clone.

-ADT AndroidsTokens- just a clone.

-CPR Copper Bars- just a clone.
-SAU Sauron Rings- just a clone.
-PLT PlayToken- just a clone.
-BOC BountyCoin- just a clone.
-SRC SecureCoin just a clone.
-TEK TEKcoin- just a clone.
-EXC Extremecoin- just a clone.
-NBCOIN- just a clone.
-DPS DollarPounds- just a clone.
-CRC Craftcoin- just a clone.
-KING KingCoin- just a clone.
-KED + UFC StarTrek insipred coins- just a clone.
-CP2 CPU2coin- just a clone. premined
-ASC AsicCoin- just a clone.
-MAP Maples- just a clone.
-COL Colossuscoin- just a clone.
-ITC ItalyCoin- just a clone.
-MSC Mason Coin- 100% premined. "MSC" ticker is taken by mastercoin.
-LK7 Lucky7Coin- Random reward and 5% RoI.
-BEC BeaoCoin- just a clone.
-PPL PeopleCoin- just a clone.
-XJO Joulecoin- just a clone.
-MMM Mavro- Clone under the name of the worst coin in the history.
-SAV avingCoin- just a clone.
-SHT SHITcoin- Clone combining all bad things on purpose.
-NYM NaanaYaM- just a PPC clone.
-FZ Frozen-
-SEC Secondscoin- mixed hashing clone.
-GRA Grain- random reward clone.
-OSC OpenSourcecoin- premined PoW+PoS clone with messages.
-EAC Earthcoin- random reward clone.

-CENT Pennies- Hidden launch Yacoin clone.
-NEC Neocoin- NVC-like, with messages. Multiple failed relaunches until finaly ok.
-JPC Jupitercoin- Scarce LTC Clone. 0 starting difficulty, 0.27% premined.
-CRM Crimecoin- A little (0.03%) premined LTC clone.
-VLC ValueCoin- 0,75% premined LTC clone
-GRW Growthcoin- Super quickly mined NVC clone, halving every 3 months + 100% RoI! Exponential inflation.
-SYC Skycoin- premined LTC clone
-SXC Sexcoin- JunkCoin clone, overtaken.
-RYC RoyalCoin- starting superblocks LTC clone
-DNC Dragoncoin- smallchange clone, 0 starting diff.
-Emerald- LTC clone. progresive starting reward. scarce.
-NAN NanoTokens- premined LTC clone
-MST MasterCoin- premined LTC clone
-USC UScoin- premined LTC clone
-FEC FerretCoin- LTC clone. 0 starting diff.
-Noirbits- LTC clone
-GIL- premined LTC clone with random reward.
-CDC Cloudcoin- 1000000 premined NVC clone with random blocks.
-RCH RichCoin- premined LTC clone
-XNC XenCoin- premined LTC clone
-REC RealCoin- premined LTC clone
-ALF Alphacoin- LTC clone with 1000000 premined and starting superblocks.
-RED Redcoin- 1000000 premine, random reward, transaction messages.
-One last Coin- premined LTC clone
-ORB Orbitcoin- The most(66%) premined coin since MMMcoin . 0 starting diff.
-Quantumcoin- dead and relaunched clone


DEAD / DYING :


-TDC TradeCoin- 100% premine LTC clone experiment. Dying.
-NUC NuCoin- premined LTC clone. officially dead.
-6CN 6coin-  LTC clone. Never really picked up.
-PWC Powercoin-] LTC clone. 30 sec blocks.  killed by 51%
-SRC sunrisecoin- LTC clone. 0 starting diff. Dying because of no prime node from the start.
-Icecoin- DoA, relaunched by someone else and dead again..
-HYC Hypercoin-LTC clone + premine. dying of extremely low hashrate
-ELACoin- progtresive inlfation. tripple-failed launch - DOA
-LQC Liquidcoin made to be very fast at constant difficulty, dead [pool closed, exchange closed]
-SC Solidcoin - dying (10-20% fee), designed to improove IxCoin, hard to be neutral on this one, 1.0 was a premine scam, 2.0 says BTC is pyramid scheme.
-GG Geist Geld experiment on BTC algorithm, how fast can it go? just for sience.
-TBX Tenebrix interesting idea of cpu-friendly mining with scrypt, but premined with 7.7milion coins
-FBX Fairbrix- Tenebrix without the premine, bad launch,  alive but little support.
-CLC Coiledcoin- some nice ideas, but killed in 51% attack
-RUC Rucoin- copy of bitcoin, only difference is that it was developed in russian not english. Dead, than reborn much different, not confirmed if it is the same blockchain,  both scrypt[like LTC] and sha256d , nice client !warning! not opensource ! dying again  https://www.rucoin.org/
-TimeKoin - PHP webbased coin, alive but not used or traded. http://timekoin.org/
-Beertokens-abitious [impossible?] try to stabilize price against commodity.
-MMM MMMcoin - Dead coin by notorious scamer SPMavrodi, named "yes we can" "my mozem mnogoye" 30s between blocks, retarget every 1440 blocks.  10T premined and 0.01 reward, fees "shredder" feature, 51% protection. Abandoned by developers

NOT BTC ALTERNATIVE /  NEVER FULLY LAUNCHED:
(do not have bitcoin characteristics or never active )

- VSC Visacoin- msc mastercoin clone ? Not launched yet but crowdfunding started.
-HUC HunterCoin- Coin that You can aquire by playing simple game. not launched.
-JPU J-Coin- YAC clone? no source - not a true crypto!
-EMU Emunie- Not launched yet, closed source beta only. May be a big thing - coin based on trust, not hashpower.  Thing to watch carefully!!!
eCash historical try for digital curency by David Chaum, operational but died. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DigiCash DigiCash was the company that made eCash . Possibly where Bitcoin came from.
Ripples XRP-  , no mining - all coins available at start 80% foundation, and 20% develeopers. centralized. not designed to be a currency, but an IOU exchange. Innovative and usefull, but decided to be "not an altcoin" by altcoin community.
Amazon Coin - centralized private scrip launched by Amazon and pegged to USD, not cryptographic at all, just a name.
WEEDS never realy active and now dead
Groupcoin - still alive but never realy active  
Opencoin - opensource version of digicash, opencoin.org , not launched yet
RealPay  100% coins at start, centralized, never realy launched ,site is dead
Qubic coins are produced at the rate determined by quorum of miners, not set by developers. Never launched.
Swiftcoin company operated, centralized and pegged, not opensource http://www.firstnationalbnak.com/faq
SMC smallchange functioning blockchain, but made just for research. might be a coin if reset.
-barcoin-functioning blockchain, but made just for research.


-------------------------------------end of list------------------------------------------------------

Altcoin Exchanges:

https://www.cryptsy.com/
https://btc-e.com/
https://bter.com/
https://www.crypto-trade.com/
https://mcxnow.com/
https://vircurex.com/
https://www.coins-e.com/
https://btcltc.com/
https://coinex.pw/
http://www.btc38.com/

Mining profitability sites:

http://www.coinchoose.com/
http://www.coinwarz.com/
http://dustcoin.com/mining
http://www.wheretomine.com/
http://800996.com/btc/

Usefull comparison:

http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/
http://coinmarketcap.com/
http://cryptometer.org/
http://www.cryptmarketcap.com/

Corrections / additions are welcome.
If You find any information or categorization here hurtfull, unjust or wrong for any coin, please correct me.
 
 thx for input : FuzzyBear , Sunny King, Balthazar ,DannyM , ripper234 and others

 
mod note: thread un-stickied because it is no longer being updated, despite an assurance from OP when I messaged him about this back in March.
 

ok, maybe I'm wrong, see for yourself :

http://www.ip-adress.com/ip_tracer/93.174.55.27

http://blockchain.info/ip-address/93.174.55.27

single ip started finding blocks 3 days ago and already found 80 blocks, looks like somebody is "testing" some asics .
slush is 2,8Thash/s and found around 35 in the same time.

im shure this is just a remote proxy for some asic "tester" .

what do you think?

hello!

i mine around 7Ghash, 3,22of which on slush's

tested some pools and decided slush's the best - low fees, pays tx, super low stales thx to stratum.
but...  just now i realized i was stupid, slush's pool has some big big problems

1 no forum, this thing here is a joke, one topic and.... YOU CAN'T POST ON IT!! thats called mesageboard not a forum.
2 no support whatsoever , no contact, no way to interact with other miners - irc channel is dead, no response from any one
3 score system is EXTREMELY unfair - it gives away much more of the shorter, lukcy ones , blocks to non-stratum workers.

here is why
 3.22 GHash rig and it should solve about one in every 875 shares in all of slush's power, and in long, bad luck blocks, it does
 the shorter, luckier block, the less percentage is for me
 for very short i get nothing
 non stratum workers submit work more frequently - stealing all the coins

with stratum and getwork combined it cant be that system, it cant be limited to one block, it has to be last N shares

and i can't even say it to no one, this is last call , I'll wait 24hrs and I'll start campaining anti-slush on al working forums i know - every body can check for themselves that it's true.