Cricket match prediction discussions

[Webetcoins]

I think ICC gets enough funds to give the associate teams and weaker teams a lot more money. The ICC is always giving too much importance to the most powerful teams.

@Sithara007, If ICC decides to limit cricket to the top four teams, that is obviously not going to be good because they will not be receiving good money. But they can do the same thing and receive more money by implementing a tier system. And keeping a promotion-demotion system between tiers. But I don’t think they are willing to do that. The big four will need to get back to form when they get destroyed by opponents at their level, and they will need to play it against weaker opponents.

@JSRAW, I firmly believe the ICC has enough funds to support T20 and one-day international cricket. They also have a good enough fund to play test cricket. But the problem is there are always going to be corrupt people. And I also think ICC itself has become a lot more greedy. Otherwise, they could have given a lot more money to the weaker teams so that they could get better.

Right now, ICC is most difficult sports authority in sports world because they are not doing decisions as professional which are hurting this game very badly, and we can expect some big disaster in near future because these things never works for long time mostly have their side effects as well but no one caring about this all right now because they have enough funds from IPL, and they are enjoying with this all which is surely never been good for spirit of game as well.

If they want to do something then surely now it's time for them to bring big changes in this game and few formats with now their main focus could be T-20 and this is surely going to help them in long run test cricket is not good enough for associate countries and many others they need to restrict this just for 10 or 12 countries with two groups can create some good interest and with this we can work on quality as well.

[Sithara007]

ICC generate enough fund to sustain limited over cricket especially T-20 cricket but everyone romanticize with the test cricket and in doing so they get destroyed every single time. ICC do understand these economics but reluctant to take any concrete steps due to "Test Lobby". If they restrict Test format to only 10 nations max and no fake promises or rhetoric of being test nation, it could potentially do wonder for international cricket. Every associate member will start focusing on T-20 completely and the way franchise cricket is taking all the space, they don't even need to play any bilateral cricket, simply play in leagues and ICC tournaments.

@Sithara007 ICC hardly earn any money from bilateral cricket.

BTW any information on the ICC media rights auction? It was supposed to happen sometime soon. The last time I heard (in July), the broadcasters were unhappy over the lack of transparency in bidding:

https://www.insidesport.in/icc-media-rights-auction-icc-in-fix-as-top-broadcasters-upset-over-lack-of-transparency-in-tendering-process-follow-live-updates/

I am not surprised, given the level of corruption and nepotism that is prevalent among the ICC officials. Indian broadcasters have threatened to pull out from the auction unless their concerns are addressed. The bids need to be submitted by August 22nd BTW. Bids will be opened on 26th August, and after that the ICC officials will "negotiate" individually with each of the broadcasters. The main issue as far as I know, is the "sealed envelope bidding" process instead of e-auction (similar to what they had in IPL).

[noormcs5]

I firmly believe the ICC has enough funds to support T20 and one-day international cricket. They also have a good enough fund to play test cricket. But the problem is there are always going to be corrupt people. And I also think ICC itself has become a lot more greedy. Otherwise, they could have given a lot more money to the weaker teams so that they could get better.

Let's be honest here. Which big organization isn't corrupt in this world? ICC is no exception and it's understandable why they choose to focus on the big teams because they rake in the big bucks through them primarily.

Why on earth would they want to divert their resources towards weaker teams when they benefit less from them? They aren't some sort of charity or anything. Business!

For the short term, yes there seems no benefit for the ICC to spend on weaker teams to grow and compete with the few cricketing giants. However, if you think of a long term, in 10 to 15 years time ICC could target to make 10 more strong teams and then we would be having a more competitive matches. With no weak teams, all the tournaments and matches will generate a lot of revenue for the ICC. Don't know if anyone in ICC has the vision of 10-20 years ahead.

[JSRAW]

ICC generate enough fund to sustain limited over cricket especially T-20 cricket but everyone romanticize with the test cricket and in doing so they get destroyed every single time. ICC do understand these economics but reluctant to take any concrete steps due to "Test Lobby". If they restrict Test format to only 10 nations max and no fake promises or rhetoric of being test nation, it could potentially do wonder for international cricket. Every associate member will start focusing on T-20 completely and the way franchise cricket is taking all the space, they don't even need to play any bilateral cricket, simply play in leagues and ICC tournaments.

@Sithara007 ICC hardly earn any money from bilateral cricket.

BTW any information on the ICC media rights auction? It was supposed to happen sometime soon. The last time I heard (in July), the broadcasters were unhappy over the lack of transparency in bidding:

https://www.insidesport.in/icc-media-rights-auction-icc-in-fix-as-top-broadcasters-upset-over-lack-of-transparency-in-tendering-process-follow-live-updates/

I am not surprised, given the level of corruption and nepotism that is prevalent among the ICC officials. Indian broadcasters have threatened to pull out from the auction unless their concerns are addressed. The bids need to be submitted by August 22nd BTW. Bids will be opened on 26th August, and after that the ICC officials will "negotiate" individually with each of the broadcasters. The main issue as far as I know, is the "sealed envelope bidding" process instead of e-auction (similar to what they had in IPL).

Yeah i posted this news back then when the news of media tenders came out in public domain.

The real reason is ICC got way too much excited when they noticed BCCI fetched billions of bucks for IPL without any fuss from the broadcasters and they literally followed the same pattern like online and tv rights but the main kicker was every bid was behind the closed door with zero transparency, at the same time broadcasters tasted the blood of transparent procedure in last ipl auction so almost every broadcaster revolted against ICC, rightly so.

[Sithara007]

Yeah i posted this news back then when the news of media tenders came out in public domain.

The real reason is ICC got way too much excited when they noticed BCCI fetched billions of bucks for IPL without any fuss from the broadcasters and they literally followed the same pattern like online and tv rights but the main kicker was every bid was behind the closed door with zero transparency, at the same time broadcasters tasted the blood of transparent procedure in last ipl auction so almost every broadcaster revolted against ICC, rightly so.

IPL is different from ICC tournaments. In the ICC tournaments, there will be only a few matches involving India and therefore the overall TRP will be lower than that in the IPL. On top of that, there is always a chance of something like what happened in 2007 repeating. India and Pakistan got out in the preliminary phase and that resulted in huge losses to the broadcasters. And also, given the declining popularity of the ODI format, I am not sure whether the ODI World Cup will remain as one of the premier tournaments in the long term.

[Smack That Ace]

I firmly believe the ICC has enough funds to support T20 and one-day international cricket. They also have a good enough fund to play test cricket. But the problem is there are always going to be corrupt people. And I also think ICC itself has become a lot more greedy. Otherwise, they could have given a lot more money to the weaker teams so that they could get better.

Let's be honest here. Which big organization isn't corrupt in this world? ICC is no exception and it's understandable why they choose to focus on the big teams because they rake in the big bucks through them primarily.

Why on earth would they want to divert their resources towards weaker teams when they benefit less from them? They aren't some sort of charity or anything. Business!

I agree that almost all big organizations have some corrupt personnel. But I also think that no other organization is as greedy as the ICC. I want them to divert a little more resources to the weaker teams. This is because by doing that those teams are eventually going to get better and by that time they will also bring in a significant amount of revenue. But that is a long-term plan and is almost certain to have some problems at the start of the execution of the plan.

Right now, ICC is most difficult sports authority in sports world because they are not doing decisions as professional which are hurting this game very badly, and we can expect some big disaster in near future because these things never works for long time mostly have their side effects as well but no one caring about this all right now because they have enough funds from IPL, and they are enjoying with this all which is surely never been good for spirit of game as well.
If they want to do something then surely now it's time for them to bring big changes in this game and few formats with now their main focus could be T-20 and this is surely going to help them in long run test cricket is not good enough for associate countries and many others they need to restrict this just for 10 or 12 countries with two groups can create some good interest and with this we can work on quality as well.

Let’s be realistic. ICC is not intending to do anything except sleep on the fact that cricket is dying day by day. In order to make cricket matches interesting between contenders, only the top and big teams can do so. It is always one-sided when the big team meets a smaller one and almost no one wants to see number nine and number ten play each other. So cricket is gradually dying and the only thing that might be able to save it is the shorter formats like T20 and T10.


regards

duke

[JSRAW]

Yeah i posted this news back then when the news of media tenders came out in public domain.

The real reason is ICC got way too much excited when they noticed BCCI fetched billions of bucks for IPL without any fuss from the broadcasters and they literally followed the same pattern like online and tv rights but the main kicker was every bid was behind the closed door with zero transparency, at the same time broadcasters tasted the blood of transparent procedure in last ipl auction so almost every broadcaster revolted against ICC, rightly so.

IPL is different from ICC tournaments. In the ICC tournaments, there will be only a few matches involving India and therefore the overall TRP will be lower than that in the IPL. On top of that, there is always a chance of something like what happened in 2007 repeating. India and Pakistan got out in the preliminary phase and that resulted in huge losses to the broadcasters. And also, given the declining popularity of the ODI format, I am not sure whether the ODI World Cup will remain as one of the premier tournaments in the long term.

Different yes but

ICC media rights are for 4 and 8 years package and every year 1 ICC tournament that's 8 ICC tournaments (not counting WTC finals). In previous cycle Gap between ICC and IPL revenue was more than 2x in favor of IPL.

This time IPL surpassed last auction significantly so ICC also aspire to increase their purse from the country which produce 70% of their revenue. Yes there is always some sort of possibility of repeating 2007 scenario but that's just shot in the dark most of the time when these tender comes up.

[dezoel]

I firmly believe the ICC has enough funds to support T20 and one-day international cricket. They also have a good enough fund to play test cricket. But the problem is there are always going to be corrupt people. And I also think ICC itself has become a lot more greedy. Otherwise, they could have given a lot more money to the weaker teams so that they could get better.

Let's be honest here. Which big organization isn't corrupt in this world? ICC is no exception and it's understandable why they choose to focus on the big teams because they rake in the big bucks through them primarily.

Why on earth would they want to divert their resources towards weaker teams when they benefit less from them? They aren't some sort of charity or anything. Business!

I agree that almost all big organizations have some corrupt personnel. But I also think that no other organization is as greedy as the ICC. I want them to divert a little more resources to the weaker teams. This is because by doing that those teams are eventually going to get better and by that time they will also bring in a significant amount of revenue. But that is a long-term plan and is almost certain to have some problems at the start of the execution of the plan.

Now corruption is completely having big part in all sports no only cricket we have some serious troubles recently in UEFA and then FIFA is also having some issues regarding their media rights because every one wants to cash his power and things are also helping them in many ways. Media rights for few years is surely turning into billions of USD which is bringing some water in every official's mouth, and they try to have their way for this as well.

ICC is completely depended on India right now which is surely having big trouble for them and few other small boards as well because here mostly they try to manage with their own way which is hurting transparency of this all and after IPL going into big game ICC official are also looking for lucrative things like this which is having few problems which want to settle but ICC officials are never been doing any positive development for this all, and it's going to hurt their cause and their bright future.

[Haunebu]

Therefore, in the larger interest of cricket, ICC should take new steps.

The ICC only cares about money(Short-term or Long-term) which is why they wouldn't think twice before discarding weak teams aside. Cricket is simply a mode of income for them. It's as simple as that.

So cricket is gradually dying and the only thing that might be able to save it is the shorter formats like T20 and T10.

I wouldn't say Cricket is dying. Instead, I would say that the test and ODI formats are dying and gradually getting replaced by the T-20 and T-10(Possibly) formats currently.

[Sithara007]

Different yes but

ICC media rights are for 4 and 8 years package and every year 1 ICC tournament that's 8 ICC tournaments (not counting WTC finals). In previous cycle Gap between ICC and IPL revenue was more than 2x in favor of IPL.

This time IPL surpassed last auction significantly so ICC also aspire to increase their purse from the country which produce 70% of their revenue. Yes there is always some sort of possibility of repeating 2007 scenario but that's just shot in the dark most of the time when these tender comes up.

Back in 2007, they had 16 teams divided in to 4 groups each. Immediately after the tournament, they decided to reduce number of participants to 10, so that the scenario is not repeated. If they follow the 2023 format, then they will get a minimum of 9 matches from India. In 2027, there will be a total of 14 participants, and India will get a minimum of 6 matches (and most probably more than that if they qualify for the next phase). The issue is with T20 world cup, where the group size is small and there is a real chance that top teams can fail to qualify for the next phase.

[wiss19]

So cricket is gradually dying and the only thing that might be able to save it is the shorter formats like T20 and T10.

I wouldn't say Cricket is dying. Instead, I would say that the test and ODI formats are dying and gradually getting replaced by the T-20 and T-10(Possibly) formats currently.

Right now, as things are progressing most chances ODI will die soon but test cricket is going to survive for some time or even take more time than I am expecting because just because of this T-20 now test cricket is also in good shape and mostly test matches are going to end in four days which is good signal for all but in quality we have to do some things which are very important, but ICC is never been interested to bring any positive change because they are having no mind just money in pocket is enough for them.

For future, they need to do some significant changes which can bring good changes and surely good profit for them as well having a calendar for all franchise cricket and giving some good time to bilateral cricket is also important because this is beauty of cricket and franchise is future of cricket.

[Sithara007]

Right now, as things are progressing most chances ODI will die soon but test cricket is going to survive for some time or even take more time than I am expecting because just because of this T-20 now test cricket is also in good shape and mostly test matches are going to end in four days which is good signal for all but in quality we have to do some things which are very important, but ICC is never been interested to bring any positive change because they are having no mind just money in pocket is enough for them.

For future, they need to do some significant changes which can bring good changes and surely good profit for them as well having a calendar for all franchise cricket and giving some good time to bilateral cricket is also important because this is beauty of cricket and franchise is future of cricket.

To be honest, I don't see much future for bilateral cricket. It is a big cash cow for the pig-4 boards and that is the reason why they are sustaining it. The way for cricket to move forward is to play more multi-nation (triangular, quadrangular or even pentangular) series, along with T20 franchise cricket. Test cricket may get restricted to the pig-4, and I don't see much significance for this format among the smaller test nations. It consumes a lot of time, and the players are nowadays not interested in it.

[BobK71]

So cricket is gradually dying and the only thing that might be able to save it is the shorter formats like T20 and T10.

I wouldn't say Cricket is dying. Instead, I would say that the test and ODI formats are dying and gradually getting replaced by the T-20 and T-10(Possibly) formats currently.

Right now, as things are progressing most chances ODI will die soon but test cricket is going to survive for some time or even take more time than I am expecting because just because of this T-20 now test cricket is also in good shape and mostly test matches are going to end in four days which is good signal for all but in quality we have to do some things which are very important, but ICC is never been interested to bring any positive change because they are having no mind just money in pocket is enough for them.

For future, they need to do some significant changes which can bring good changes and surely good profit for them as well having a calendar for all franchise cricket and giving some good time to bilateral cricket is also important because this is beauty of cricket and franchise is future of cricket.

Everything changes with time. Also the new generation people are always restless. They don't like anything long. As everything depends on the popularity, a big change has to be made in cricket. We are seeing lately that people are showing a strong desire to watch T20 and even shorter form T10. I think there may be three formats of cricket but the most popular will be the short form of cricket like T20 or T10.

[KennyR]

Within few weeks time the Asia Cup cricket is gonna start. Every Asian team are now focused on it. Few teams have got opportunity to play and continue with the Asia Cup. Some are directly playing Asia Cup. It is time to share some statistics and historical records made in the past on Asia Cup. The chance of win is with India and the highest runs scorers for India on Asia Cup are as follows.

Sachin Tendulkar - 971 runs
Rohit Sharma - 883 runs
Virat Kohli - 766 runs
M S Dhoni - 690 runs
Shikhar Dhawan - 613 runs

[SirLancelot]

To be honest, I don't see much future for bilateral cricket. It is a big cash cow for the pig-4 boards and that is the reason why they are sustaining it. The way for cricket to move forward is to play more multi-nation (triangular, quadrangular or even pentangular) series, along with T20 franchise cricket. Test cricket may get restricted to the pig-4, and I don't see much significance for this format among the smaller test nations. It consumes a lot of time, and the players are nowadays not interested in it.

If we have no positive things about bilateral cricket then surely we are going to be in like soccer where mostly players will involve in franchise cricket, and they have to play for their national teams in T-20 World cup and test and ODI both are going into deep trouble just top 5 or 6 teams capable of having good results in test matches other mostly going in just T-20 or things like Hundred because these can bring good finances for them, and also they can manage them easily which is good for many small boards as well.

Even as things are going mostly IPL based teams will rule this all but still all boards will not allow them to take over, and they will encourage local investors as well which will bring good healthy competition for all leagues with this hopefully we will have competitions like UEFA in this game as well.

[Sithara007]

Within few weeks time the Asia Cup cricket is gonna start. Every Asian team are now focused on it. Few teams have got opportunity to play and continue with the Asia Cup. Some are directly playing Asia Cup. It is time to share some statistics and historical records made in the past on Asia Cup. The chance of win is with India and the highest runs scorers for India on Asia Cup are as follows.

Sachin Tendulkar - 971 runs
Rohit Sharma - 883 runs
Virat Kohli - 766 runs
M S Dhoni - 690 runs
Shikhar Dhawan - 613 runs

Interesting to see Shikhar Dhawan at #5. He is not included in the Indian squad for Asia cup. When Asia Cup was held for the last time (in 2018), Dhawan was the top scorer in the tournament with 342 runs. Rohit Sharma is at #2, and he will be captaining the squad. On third spot we have Virat Kohli, but he is out of form. All that said, I am not sure how useful are these statistics. Because the previous editions of Asia Cup was played in ODI format, and we will be moving to T20 format from this edition onwards.

[Smack That Ace]

Right now, as things are progressing most chances ODI will die soon but test cricket is going to survive for some time or even take more time than I am expecting because just because of this T-20 now test cricket is also in good shape and mostly test matches are going to end in four days which is good signal for all but in quality we have to do some things which are very important, but ICC is never been interested to bring any positive change because they are having no mind just money in pocket is enough for them.
For future, they need to do some significant changes which can bring good changes and surely good profit for them as well having a calendar for all franchise cricket and giving some good time to bilateral cricket is also important because this is beauty of cricket and franchise is future of cricket.

To be honest, I don't see much future for bilateral cricket. It is a big cash cow for the pig-4 boards and that is the reason why they are sustaining it. The way for cricket to move forward is to play more multi-nation (triangular, quadrangular or even pentangular) series, along with T20 franchise cricket. Test cricket may get restricted to the pig-4, and I don't see much significance for this format among the smaller test nations. It consumes a lot of time, and the players are nowadays not interested in it.

@wiss19 The problem is that the cricket boards are still thinking about the traditional way of playing cricket. And honestly, the time is over. The supporters have already got the taste of league cricket. And I believe it is not going to change. The public will demand tournaments such as the IPL, BPL, BBL, PCL, etc.

@Sithara007 For the survival of cricket, it is also paramount to keep those supporters interested as it is critical to bring in new supporters. In light of this, I believe the International Cricket Council will have to move cricket to the franchisee side from the international side.


Regards

Duke

[Haunebu]

For future, they need to do some significant changes which can bring good changes and surely good profit for them as well having a calendar for all franchise cricket and giving some good time to bilateral cricket is also important because this is beauty of cricket and franchise is future of cricket.

The ICC and the other boards don't really care about preserving the traditional formats. They care about money more than ever thanks to the economic turmoil around the world currently.

Many players are retiring early from tests and ODIs too in order to focus on the T-20 format which makes sense if you think about it.

[JSRAW]

For future, they need to do some significant changes which can bring good changes and surely good profit for them as well having a calendar for all franchise cricket and giving some good time to bilateral cricket is also important because this is beauty of cricket and franchise is future of cricket.

The ICC and the other boards don't really care about preserving the traditional formats. They care about money more than ever thanks to the economic turmoil around the world currently.

Many players are retiring early from tests and ODIs too in order to focus on the T-20 format which makes sense if you think about it.

Don't make any mistake of mixing White ball bilateral and Test bilateral all together as traditional format. This is reserved for Test bilateral only and the former is useless in modern setting.

At the same time majority of the boards are in no position to sustain test format as it's loss making affair for most of them but considering romanticization towards test cricket, if you give them a choice then everyone would opt for test cricket.

Early retirement is new reality. Recent wave of retirement started with De kock when he retired from Tests. In current environment where schedule is so tight, players can't play all 3 formats so leaving 1-2 format is right call depending on their choice.

[n0ne]

For future, they need to do some significant changes which can bring good changes and surely good profit for them as well having a calendar for all franchise cricket and giving some good time to bilateral cricket is also important because this is beauty of cricket and franchise is future of cricket.

The ICC and the other boards don't really care about preserving the traditional formats. They care about money more than ever thanks to the economic turmoil around the world currently.

Many players are retiring early from tests and ODIs too in order to focus on the T-20 format which makes sense if you think about it.

Early retirement is new reality. Recent wave of retirement started with De kock when he retired from Tests. In current environment where schedule is so tight, players can't play all 3 formats so leaving 1-2 format is right call depending on their choice.

With some players this is the reality. Many others are much interested into franchise cricket and that too reason for players to get retired earlier. If we take count of the franchise cricket, it goes on. The latest being the franchise cricket by South Africa and UAE.