Since this subforum is moderated by a censorious communist, and reports are being used as a form of harassment and censorship in lieu of having a debate they are incapable of winning, I need to repost these here as they were removed:  https://politics.theonion.com/bloomberg-hires-thousands-of-canvassers-to-stop-black-m-1841701859?In order to avoid being censored by the resident communist overlord, I am required to explain this joke in stead of just allowing you to enjoy it. As you can see here there is a photo of a Mike Bloomberg campaigner stopping a black man to force him to listen to a pitch for his cantidacy for president. This is funny because Mike Bloomberg is well known for his controversial "stop and frisk" policy which has been accused to be a racist policy targeted at African Americans. I hope you enjoyed this explanation of a joke. "Buttigieg Reveals Plan to Flood Small U.S. Towns With Immigration to 'Renew' Populations" http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=61194Here you can see a discussion of Pete Buttigieg's immigration policy, and his intent to flood rural America with immigration in a very transparent attempt to change the voting demographics of the area by force, much like has been done in Virginia. I should remind you, if you argue against this you are a racist. Suddenly, a wild Killery approaches... https://www.zerohedge.com/political/bloomberg-considers-hillary-running-mateHere you have another removed post, this time discussing the prospects of Mike Bloomberg choosing Hillary Clinton as his running mate. In the extremely unlikely event he does win, I predict he will quickly commit suicide, leaving Hillary Clinton as president. "The Myth Of Incompetence: DNC Scandals Are A Feature, Not A Bug" https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/the-myth-of-incompetence-dnc-scandals-are-a-feature-not-a-bug-4f264352d4f7Here we have a discussion about how the DNC is corrupt, and the pattern of failures within it are proposed to be intentional and a result of fraud, and not simply incompetence. I think the DNC has made it pretty clear they are willing to commit fraud, because it is the only way they have a chance. Leftists are fond of false pretenses, much like our censorious communist overlord Flying Hellfish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fkYHwU74M4Here we have another clearly well adjusted Democrat voter. Yet one more example in a long line of examples of the totally insane and violent behavior of the left. This man approaches a table of Trump supporters, and proceeds to scream at them that president Trump and all Republicans should have their throats slashed. "Powerful American stories ripped to shreds by Nancy Pelosi" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b93zMpwc2B0Here we have another joke, which I am obligated to explain under threat of censorship. Here we have video of Nacy Pelosi embarrassing herself by ripping up the president's state of the union speech. It is edited to juxtapose her behavior with all the great people that were lauded within the speech, and how disrespectful her actions were to them. Thank you for reading my posts and the explanation of jokes as required by communist law which rules this subforum. I hope you enjoyed them. |
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Since this subforum is moderated by a censorious communist, and reports are being used as a form of harassment and censorship in lieu of having a debate they are incapable of winning, I need to repost this here as it was removed:
I am not a doctor, but it seems to me like you are using this fascination with this subject as a diversion from issues some part of you knows you are having. If you can't get medical assistance, I would suggest finding some kind of support group. Good luck.
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Since this subforum is moderated by a censorious communist, and reports are being used as a form of harassment and censorship in lieu of having a debate they are incapable of winning, I need to repost this link here as it was removed: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-university-professor-and-two-chinese-nationals-charged-three-separate-china-relatedAs you can see by this official government report several Chinese nationals were charged with various crimes, including trying to smuggle biological material out of the country illegally. As some people have suggested, the Chinese government may have conspired to smuggle 2019-nCoV out of the USA and Canada, which may have lead to its release in Wuhan, where the nations only level 4 pathogen lab is located. |
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Since this forum has become such a joke, I have been thinking this feature is increasingly needed here again.
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This is another perfect example of how this forum allows the letter of the law to be abused to selectively silence speech the mod and the reporters political preferences.
All of the people you dislike seem to make perfect examples. Is that what bothers you about them - that they can state something without fifty useless words?? FH has stated he didn't delete your posts. You want us all to lay down while you make up lies about yet another person? I have Suchgoon on one side of me saying I don't say enough to try to justify censoring and harassing me, and the sad birthday party magician on the other side of me saying I say too much. I know you are losing your mind Vod and it is all so very pathetic people feel sorry for you and allow you to commit felonies here and turn a blind eye, but try to at least read the posts before you shit out your mindless attacks. I was the one that removed the reported posts. |
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I reported a few of these drive-by posts where TECSHARE copies a title of some Youtube video or a blog post and adds a link, nothing else. No summary, no opinion, no content of any significance. Good to see mods taking action on this low-effort low-value link spam.
Very much this. I was the one that removed the reported posts. As Suchmoon points out a "headline" with a simple link and nothing else is not of any value. They are usually nothing more than a way to get clicks for the site. As a general rule I very very rarely click external links from BTCT. Certainly no one should be expected to click a link and go to another site to get the entire post. No one should have to go to some random shit hole of a website to find out if you're off topic or not. If you have something to say, say it, if you want to let another site be your entire post find somewhere else to link spam. This is another perfect example of how this forum allows the letter of the law to be abused to selectively silence speech the mod and the reporters political preferences. Yes yes, I am sure it is all just totally a coincidence that almost every one of those removed posts is contrary to both of your political views. Also, you know those "Justice.gov" links are always full of viruses! I am sure you little goose steppers are comfortable in the knowledge zat ze rules are followed to ze letter, especially when it is information you don't agree with personally. This is just a pathetic pretext for censorship, and a "Permit Patty" type of targeted harassment. |
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Again, rather than addressing my point that the net detriment is larger than the net gain, you attempt to shift the topic to your demands for proof of "signal noise". Because I deny the very implication that the net detriment is larger than the net gain, because of the points I have made above. As you have been arguing for this whole time, the burden of proof is on you, as the one making the claims, to prove that your claims are factual and not just your opinions. If red tagging scammers is indeed causing such overwhelming amounts of harm to the forum, then it should be trivial for you to "document it in an objective and observable way". I wonder why you refuse. Yeah, we noticed. Good for you, you can make a denial. Now try arguing the logic of the other points I made. As usual you aren't willing to have an intellectually honest debate. You zero in on the two words you can hyperfocus on to disregard the entirety of the rest of the argument in order to totally avoid addressing the rest of the content. I am going to just start quoting myself if this is how you insist on engaging with me. You insist that if I can't some how document causality of what happens in the minds of other people, then I must be wrong. You are totally disingenuous. Don't you have some more tires to slash? I am sure Mao killed lots of bad people that were criminals. No one says, "there are examples of him correctly killing people that deserved it", because the problem is all the collateral damage and innocents caught up in it. Again, the question is not if people are correct some times or even most of the time. The question is, is the damage created by allowing such an arbitrary standard worth the minimal amount of impact the "correct" ratings have? I don't think so.
People who aren't doing this basic level of due diligence are just on borrowed time until they are robbed and no amount of shitting out tags is going to stop them from getting stolen from. Also doing so creates a false sense of security that the forum is moderated protected against such things. Then there are the people who use it to punish people bringing their own crimes to light and to discredit those accusations. Also the negative rating spam effectively dilutes the value of leaving a negative, because it is so common people learn to disregard it. All this ends up being is signal noise. Signal noise actual con artists can manipulate to cover their tracks and punish their detractors. As far as your car analogy, it is not an honest one. You compare your position to putting on a seat belt vs not because some people drive recklessly. A more appropriate analogy would be people running around and slashing the tires of anyone they think is driving recklessly. Sure, maybe it might keep some reckless drivers off the road temporarily, but they can quickly just get new tires, and now we have to live in a culture where it is ok for people to run around slashing tires as long as they can make up some lofty pretext to justify it. What could go wrong there? |
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No address.. No sale...
No reputation. Good luck to you. Did you ever stop to think about the fact that this bar is worthless to you now? Who do you think is going to buy it from you after this? You might as well melt it down for spot. Or you can let go of your petty need to have your ass kissed and get a fair payment for it from me. Your call. It's not worthless to me It will look good in my collection I asked for no ass kissing I asked for proof that funds we're sent to the escrow perfectly valid request. As I said I had these made at my own personal cost for a bit of fun and to do something cool in the community while i'm not going to cover old ground again I would rather move on and keep my silver rather than arguing with you over a TXID and how escrow should work to protect both party's. Again no TXID no sale. Take it or leave it your choice. You don't have to argue. Having the TXID offers you absolutely no additional protection in spite of your demands. You have just as much protection either way. The escrow does protect you. How much more protected do you want than him having the funds and the product? You are willfully violating your contractual obligations out of spite and making unreasonable demands to try to justify it. Frankly I think this is what you wanted all along, your original stunt to try to weasel an additional 0.002 BTC out of some one by forging bids shows you felt like you didn't get enough. Sellers remorse firmly in hand you sought any excuse to try to void your contract with me. I hope that extra $15 was worth destroying your reputation over. |
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No address.. No sale...
No reputation. Good luck to you. Did you ever stop to think about the fact that this bar is worthless to you now? Who do you think is going to buy it from you after this? You might as well melt it down for spot. Or you can let go of your petty need to have your ass kissed and get a fair payment for it from me. Your call. |
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Without proof of escrow being funded...
So you expect me to take it on face value or your "word" that funds have been send to an escrow YOU selected. When it's already been said in the topic by another users this is NOT the normal practice of escrow with funds.
This is not in line with the terms at all techshare
Sorry but no verification no deal's if that's not acceptable then there is no deal to speak of you have dictated what YOU want from the start and give me no room to even verify it for what ever reason you also didn't read the delivery terms or the terms of bidding but you expect me to bend to your way to save face? when in all honesty I haven't even done anything wrong..
You can argue your point till your blue in the face but if there is NO way for me to verify funds are in the escrow then I won't be dealing with you..
Sorry but don't trust, verify goes a long way..
I have done my steps to verify Bars 1 and 3 for other buyers no issues but with you we're going round in circles if I can't verify escrow's holding the funds and a transaction took place there I don't see any issue with that and I don't see your argument as valid about privacy either if you send a UTXO to MJ and he sends it to me where is the privacy there I could look on chain and see the TX after so why not furnish the seller with proof of payment to the escrow? You don't have to trust my word, that is totally irrelevant, and the entire point of using an escrow. You keep telling everyone else what is normal, but everyone is telling you what you are demanding is not normal. Good for you, you don't see any issues with demanding to violate my privacy after you have already violated my privacy repeatedly in this thread. Excuse me if I don't have any confidence in your discretion after this. The only one going around in circles is you. I have done everything possible to complete my obligations to you. All you have to do is ship to Minerjones. I am not submitting to your unreasonable demands. I am not releasing you from your contractual obligations to me. Of course you would like to manufacture any excuse to not fulfill your contractual obligation here, because you would prefer to try to resell the bar to some one else for more now wouldn't you? |
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Actually it is very much related: "Zaosong Zheng, 30, a Chinese national, was arrested on Dec. 10, 2019, at Boston’s Logan International Airport and charged by criminal complaint with attempting to smuggle 21 vials of biological research to China." I reported a few of these drive-by posts where TECSHARE copies a title of some Youtube video or a blog post and adds a link, nothing else. No summary, no opinion, no content of any significance. Good to see mods taking action on this low-effort low-value link spam.
I see, you are the arbiter of what is significant now are you? I am sure it is just a coincidence that pretty much all of those removed posts makes your preferred political party look bad now isn't it? They were all very much related to the op and valid topics of discussion, and were valid sources of information contributing to the discussion. Lets not pretend you reported those posts for any other reason than you hope no one actually reviews them. |
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That user failed to honor a bid he made. An auction is a contract, which that user violated. Thank you all for the wonderful demonstration of what happens any time anyone suggests changes to the broken system here. |
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Neither was your auction "normal" in any sense. If you want to save face here and sell anything else on this forum I suggest you and TECSHARE come to some sort of compromise and YOU take the words and the trust of some of us that things are going to be okay here.
Things went public too fast rather than using and discussing options between the three of you. This drama was not necessary. I would advise you to even use any popular auction host here in the future rather than your format/understanding of how things work here. I have already compromised and agreed to have the item shipped to Minerjones. MagicByt3 is the only one refusing to make any compromises here. I attempted to solve this in private, but before I even got a chance to discuss it he was here posting my private messages without my permission. I tried to deescalate this at several points. He has no one to blame for how this turned out but himself. |
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Ok well I made it clear if you didn't want to prove you sent funds to the escrow then there is no deal..
it's that simple.
Go look at ANY other escrow deal.... the seller is always furnished with the transaction to verify that it actually took place.
Or are you expecting me to just send this bar out with NO proof there is anything in escrow is that what your asking me to do?? All you have made clear is you refuse to honor your contractual agreements in favor of arguing and dictating terms to your customers. No, that is not how any other escrow deal works. In fact usually escrows only hold the funds, but you demanded he held the funds and the bar, which I might add again offers you zero additional protection, but I agreed to it anyway. The point of an escrow is you are trusting the 3rd party to hold your funds. The only way your claims make sense is if you think Minerjones is a liar and a fraud who is going to ruin literally the best reputation on the forum so he can collude to cheat you out of $100. Having my transaction information offers you zero additional protection and is only being used as an excuse for you to violate your contract because you are upset you didn't get more. I am asking you to stop acting like a child, fulfill your contractual obligations, and ship the bar to Minerjones. |
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MagicByt3, stop PMing me, I will not reply. You wanted this all in public, you got it. I am not giving you my TXID. Ship the bar to Minerjones.
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So you agree MJ's job is to recieve the bar and the funds??
Because this IS NOT THE process that Techsahre asked for in PM's so your again proven to be talking rubbish and just spamming the topic with nonsense you haven't read a single post have you? or you would have seen that Techsahre wanted only the FUNDS.... HIS FUNDS.... to be held in ESCROW...
You are just trolling the topic pushing your OWN thoughts on the matter.
again... your own words here...
MJ’s job is to receive BTC and silver bar and forward on,
That is NOT what the buyer was planning on doing... so.... I await your ever so keen reply Mr Know it all.... What does any of this have to do with the fact that I have already agreed to have it shipped to Minerjones? You seem more intent on arguing about resolved issues than completing your trade. Minerjones has the money. Minerjones will get the bar. What else would you like your highness? |
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Dude what the fuck is wrong with you?! MJ leaves you negative trust and you say it’s not right, he satisfies your sadistic demands and removes trust and you say something is not right? I mean holy shit dude are you just a privileged little bitch that isn’t satisfied unless someone strokes your cock 24/7?! You literally are more impossible to satisfy than a heroin addict on PCP. Why would you even have a trust list when you don’t even have any trust? Gtfo already, you’re so full of shit. It doesn’t matter if Corrosive has an orgasm when he receives your bars because nobody wants them now. I hope you realize you change your story every second as soon as somebody bows to your demands. You’re just a broke POS craving attention.
Again I never asked for it to be removed at any point... Again that's your perception on it.. That your are trying very hard to push as my actions... I believe if someone has red trust you should prove to remove it was removed for whatever reason they have to remove it. But it was NOT removed because I asked like your claims say above. I made a point that my account had been tagged and now it's been removed it was an observation. Nothing I have done or said is unreasonable at any point. I have actually tried very hard to resolve this and I was surprised that the escrow was not being a middle man as expected. I asked for a TXID to show a payment was made to the escrow then the terms of the posting were changed by the OP not asking me but demanding it. Kind of like you are demanding the TXID? Having the TXID literally offers you ZERO additional protection. This is 100% about you demanding your customer strokes your ego because you are embarrassed about your own fuck ups, and hope to deflect blame on to everyone else. It isn't going to work. Ship the bar to Minerjones so we never have to interact ever again. Please. |
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Same way I trusted that bars 1 and 3 will reach there destinations by Verifying with the people involved.
Privacy argument is just another way to keep this going in my view end of the day if he sends the TX to the escrow then the escrow send it to me I could easy check the tx on chain so the argument is so stupid it makes me laugh unless MJ is going to coinjoin the UTXO out to after wasabi which I doubt.
Actually MJ had been given some rep by people I have on my trust list and I know he is a big name in the space in regards to the market so I don't have any concerns over MJ but not I think this topic has got out of hand and no matter what I do not they will red trust me even when the bars are proven to be legit the fact MJ has now revoked his red trust as of 15 min ago on my account says something is not quite right with this situation..
Techshare didn't stick to the terms of the OP it's that simple then attempted to use someone else's bid as a leverage tool in the situation to make out I attempted to gain an additional 0.002 btc when it was his lack of understating of the process..
I think everyone can now see how the bids we're supposed to be and I didn't try get any payments from the bidder like he's claimed in his posts.
I am very frustrated with this as I have been a good member here for quite some time don't nothing but help users and report scammers and frauds on the boards and now they are holding my reputation here over a knife to get there own way in the sale..
Step back and re-think what your doing here guys your really putting me on spot for nothing more than a misunderstanding and trying to use it against me.
Again.. I would like to wait for the other bars to be delivered to the escrow and have them review it from there. I'm not here to cause problems but escrow terms should be accepted by both the buyer and seller in my view if there cannot be a middle ground then there cannot be a sale it's that simple.
Thanks
Magic You didn't stick to the terms in the OP yourself. This isn't just a misunderstanding. This is you willfully being obstinate and refusing to admit your mistakes or take any accountability for them whatsoever. I agreed to have you ship to Minerjones. He already has payment. Literally the only thing holding this all up is you with your petty and unreasonable demands. You don't get it, you could have shipped the other buyers gold bars and your reputation is over here anyway. It has nothing to do with me "holding your reputation over a knife". I don't even need to negative rate you. Shit I will even request Minerjones remove his rating for you if you like. It doesn't make any difference though, because you held your own reputation under a knife and chopped it up into little pieces. No one else did that. You did. |
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No problem... since it clear the "group" of you is quite against new silver services here on the forum i'll just close out the topic if you like.
Nothing I have asked for in this is unreasonable in any light.
But what has been demanded of me is a little unorthodox in my view if you can't see my points which have been raised then I am sorry but I won't be hounded by a group of people over something trival like a TXID as proof of payment to the escrow.
Buyer has the option of wasabi wallet for the transaction if his privacy is so important but again if he's already send the funds to escrow and it's forward to me I still see the TXID at the end so there no argument about that..
I also like how the merits cycle between all the people who are jumping in on this now and how the trust's work between them all very fascinating to be honest.
Techshare picked the escrow not me.
Techshare then wanted the terms changed for postage not me.
Techshare then refused to prove he had paid the escrow any funds.
Sorry but that in my view is manipulation by the buyer he didn't read the terms or how the bids were to work then made demands on how they wanted the deal to go down..
A few $100 or a few $1000 the value is of no matter it's the principals that matter here and how I have no way of verifying that he actually did send funds and I would not have any proof of delivery so I am basically blindly sending it DIRECT to the buyer without any way of proving anything if that's how you see escrow working here then the god help you..
How is that unreasonable from a seller point..
Yep, "the group" is at fault, not you. What is unreasonable? Just about every part of this auction. When I bid, I bid under the pretext you were a forthcoming and reasonable person. The way you conducted the auction demonstrated otherwise. The only person you have to trust here is Minerjones. FFS his ACCOUNT alone is probably worth several grand. I am sure he is going to burn his reputation just to rob you of $100. Of course this has nothing to do with trust, this is just you obsessing over being able to dictate the situation to the point pf purposely trying to violate your contractual agreement. Nothing you have done in this auction is reasonable. |
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When MJ replys to me with a TXID of the transaction I am happy to send MJ the bar and get this mess out the way..
No proof no deal it's really that simple.
As this is a privacy thing for TECSHARE and you have broken your ability to keep PMs private I now wouldn't trust you to not release the txid in spite. This just keeps turning into an even bigger auction fail. I will send the funds myself to a public escrow address shared here by minerjones just to stop this from continuing further. Horrible auction from start to finish. Funds to be returned to me when TECSHARE receives bar and escrow released. I'm not being backed into a corner in PM's then let them post here what they want all you to see.. There's is nothing in his PM that effects his privacy. I thank you for stepping in but I have already had a member step in and offer to resolve this matter and they declined even though it would have been a ideal solution for all party's involved then he attempted to have be change the way the item ships to be done with NO proof of delivery even thought it was in the terms. also the use of escrow was no something I was looking for by now his bar would be on it's way to him in the post along with the other 2 but dew to his own distrust and skeptical claims about the sale it's turned into this.. I also have been given -trust for no reason by the escrow agent. So where did this all go wrong. maybe it was MJ jumping in and invalidating user bids? when they said they didn't know how the sale was to work because it was not the "same" as there sales here... I'm not going to beat about the bush anymore you have made a new service that made a mistake of not giving enough info on the sale into a shit show you also then used your reputation to try bully it to be on your own terms.. You also stepped into another users topic and attempted to admin the bids without permission so why in the hell should I continue with the deal? I know I will have 2 very happy customers in the next few days on receipt of there bars and I might as well just wait for them to reply to show I have TRUST and can be trusted to deal here without all this nonsense in PM's and secrecy behind the deals. That is very good of you to speak for me and make choices for me what parts of my privacy I should value. You should continue with this deal because you formed a contract and you should honor it. Regardless of how the other buyers feel, none of this effects your behavior here or makes you trustworthy. You claim you can be trusted, based on what exactly? At the same time you claim Minerjones can't be trusted just so you can dictate exactly everything to the point of purposely violating your contractual agreement because you wanted more than you ended up with. What are you even arguing with me for? Ship the bar to Minerjones so we can all get on with our lives. |
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