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1681  Bitcoin / Legal / SEC Chair Gensler confirms "everything other than Bitcoin is a security" on: February 25, 2023, 11:41:16 PM


https://twitter.com/BitcoinMagazine/status/1629573858104582144
Source: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/02/gary-gensler-on-meeting-with-sbf-and-his-crypto-crackdown.html

Is Gensler "our guy" now?

How do anti-altcoiners feel about this?
1682  Economy / Gambling / Re: SwC Poker RELAUNCH ♣️♣️ BITCOIN POKER 3.0 ♣️♣️ Win✅ Mac✅ Android✅ HTML5✅ on: February 25, 2023, 11:15:38 PM
Never seen anyone openly tell users to drop a slur in the chat. Not that you guys are super busy these days, but this could be the kind of promotion that could cost ya a player or 2. I'm sure some are all for it, but we live in the age of the snowflake/karens.
This link doesn't work so I'm wondering if this promotion is real?! Either way, I don't really think the promotion is that good. If it's true, I'll have to remember not to play there on Mondays. Don't want to be insulted. But well, everyone has to know for themselves. Another promotion would certainly have been better. Good luck.  Wink

That's top-tier trolling. Obviously that's not an official account of SwC, with only 1 post and the link not working


And then there's this  Cheesy :
A special shout out to CrispyJew_6M and iH8KneeGrows ...

1683  Other / Off-topic / Re: You will forever be missed on: February 25, 2023, 04:03:06 PM
Sorry for your loss OP, but I have to say that I find looking at the father-son relationship through bitcoin-holder lens (and referring to him as Bitcoin Father) as a bit creepy.
I know we're on Bitcoin forum, but the cult-like vibe here can be really offputting. Bitcoin is just a tool, not some magical purpose of life.
If you want to honour your father, be a good man with a strong moral spine and raise your own children well, to keep the bloodline going. Don't shift too much focus and energy on trivial things like bitcoin holding.
1684  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 25, 2023, 11:45:05 AM


just a weekend dip, r..right guys?
1685  Bitcoin / Press / [2023-02-24] CNBC -For the Black community, bitcoin represents an opportunity... on: February 24, 2023, 11:57:30 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/24/for-the-black-community-bitcoin-represents-an-opportunity-for-wealth-preservation.html

For the Black community, bitcoin represents an opportunity for wealth preservation

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The bitcoin narrative has veered far away from early investors’ vision of it enabling economic freedom, at least in the U.S. But for many in the Black community, that narrative is still alive and it’s imperative that people stay focused on it.

Bitcoin’s core values – decentralization, censorship resistance, its peer-to-peer nature – get pushed to the side time and again as the industry tries to grow in a world run by intermediary institutions. Opening an account at a centralized exchange like Coinbase or Kraken (or, until recently, FTX) is the easiest and most common way to get into crypto. And it’s safe to bet most people are playing the speculation game, trading crypto on an exchange instead of transacting directly with another person as bitcoin was intended.
1686  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: New world order or CBDC against cryptocurrencies on: February 24, 2023, 11:45:24 PM
Only thanks to these events, the cryptocurrency in Nigeria became the second national currency. The shadow market cannot be liquidated in this way. Even if cryptocurrencies are banned, barter will appear.

At this point, it's almost certain that cash is on its way out globally. When it happens, crypto is well-positioned to naturally take its place. That's why I expect a major crackdown on crypto to follow shortly after CBDCs are implemented. I don't expect they will just allow crypto to thrive and grow uncontrollably, if they won't straight up ban it, they'll make it really hard to use (by restrictions, taxes and reporting requirements) to keep it contained.


I think that the central banks of your countries will take into account the mistakes in Nigeria and will lure users into this ecosystem with good bonuses.

I think so too. Boiling the frog etc. UK announced that their CBDC will likely come with a limit that one person can hold of Ł10k-Ł20k, to prevent people abandoning traditional banks all at once.

BTW, it's kind of funny how's there literally zero resistance from the all-powerful banking sector, knowing that CBDC will likely to cripple their operations. Really makes you ponder 🤔
1687  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: SEC vs Binance on: February 24, 2023, 11:00:30 PM
for now, CZ said that busd can be redeemed to original dollar. and I hope everything will settle again I don't hope another fud happen  Cheesy

Fud is an inseparable part of the crypto ecosystem. I don't think we've ever seen any few months period without bigger or smaller fud going on.
As for Binance, it really starting to look like US regulators are set on not letting them grow too big.
But if they can handle moving away from Paxos smoothly, it would add to their credibility, and to Paxos' as well.

If they don't store the gold, they have to pay to those storing and guarding it.
And the profit? May come from various operational fees they take,

Sure but the costs of them paying for storage are much lower than if they were to store it themselves.
And yup, looks like they're charging some small fees on each on-chain transaction. From their whitepaper:
For transactions that occur on-chain (transferred via Ethereum), there is a low Paxos transaction fee (0.02%) as well
as the usual Ethereum gas fees (typically a few cents).
1688  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Betting strategy question on: February 24, 2023, 10:36:10 PM
But there are also people who are really playing with a lot of money. People who really play for fun, I don't think they even think about a particular strategy.

Wealthy, drunk guys in a playful mood are every casino's favuorite type of customer Smiley

And in the end you have to realize and realize that no strategy is watertight.

That's true for classic casino games, but technically possible for sports betting, i.e. by doing arbitrage betting, but that would get you banned eventually.
1689  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: More Awareness needed, 100$ or Bitcoin??? on: February 24, 2023, 10:28:23 PM
Everything is about value.  An object will have a good value in the eyes of the right person.  A painting will be of high value in front of art painting collectors.  Likewise with Bitcoins.  Just like when I was a kid that made me think what Bitcoin is and if I were a kid I would probably prefer a $50 toy instead of 0.1 of Bitcoin.

Obviously, but I assume we're talking about adult people, who, at least in theory, should be able to compare the value of different assets. For that, there has to be a certain level of awareness, and I think Bitcoin is doing very well in this regard, despite what OP's video might suggest.
I would never expect that Bitcoin could capture as much of the general public's attention as it did during the last rally, where literally anywhere you went, people (completely uninterested in crypto before) were talking about investing in it.

ps. The modern art market is largely a money laundering fraud. Just saying.
1690  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / "Bitcoin’s Future Hinges on Donations, and That’s Got People Worried" on: February 24, 2023, 10:18:14 PM
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/bitcoin-future-hinges-donations-got-194653381.html
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This concept seems counter to how the majority of blockchain networks approach funding. Most so-called decentralized networks are governed and funded by central foundations.

Ethereum, for example, was pre-mined via the second largest crowdsale on the Internet at the time and ongoing development is mostly funded by the Ethereum Foundation which held $1.6 billion in its coffers last year.

Bitcoin doesn’t have $1.6 billion lying around to fund development. A rough back-of- the-envelope calculation indicates $150 million to $200 million would be required every year to fund development in the entire Bitcoin ecosystem (assuming 1,000 developers receiving Google’s average $150,000 to $200,000 annual compensation for software engineers).

Is Bitcoin development being dependent on funding from crypto-businesses a potential threat? What's the worst that could happen if the funding dries up and there are only a handful of dedicated devs dedicating only their spare time? Will Bitcoin survive?

I think the $150-$200 mil/year to maintain the entire ecosystem is likely exaggerated, but what's the minimum level of funding, if any?
1691  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: More Awareness needed, 100$ or Bitcoin??? on: February 23, 2023, 11:41:40 PM
Came across this video in which a person questions whether they prefer to take 100$ or Bitcoin. The kids never took time, all of the sudden chosen 100$. I'm not specific about the location this had taken place, but it looks like they're are Western people. This makes me think, awareness is not upto the mark and in all means we need to educate people. Even the Western young generation unaware of it is really unbelievable.

100$ or Bitcoin

Don't make a judgement based on one short video clip. He wouldn't earn many views for posting people choosing 1 BTC over $100. Most videos of that sort are either staged or they would just cherry-pick and compile the most ridiculous responses to get more views.
I recall seeing a similar videos i.e. with an authentic Krugerrand Vs chocolate bar (iirc)
1692  Local / Polski / Re: Pochodzenie środków - BTC za kopanie w multipoolu dawno temu + hard forki. on: February 23, 2023, 11:18:07 PM
Prawdopodobnie martwisz się nieco przesadnie, ale rozumiem problem.

Z jednej strony nie robiłeś nic nielegalnego i zamierzasz zapłacić podatek jak uczciwy obywatel. Ale z drugiej strony, każdy mógłby wyprać dowolną kwotę, kupując bitcoiny za gotówkę i twierdząc że wykopali je dawno temu.

Nie byłem w takiej sytuacji ani nawet nie mieszkam w Polsce, więc ci nie pomogę. Ale na pewno trzymaj klucze do starych adresów do których szły kopane bitcoiny i ewentualnych innych adresów na które je przesyłałeś tak żeby móc przedstawić całą historię przepływu środków (jeśli zajdzie taka potrzeba). Miej też zarchiwizowaną kopię strony Multipoola i dowód zakupu koparek itp. Tak żeby cała historia trzymała sie kupy.

Na twoim miejscu zadzwonił bym (anonimowo) do banku i Urzędu Skarbowego i zwyczajnie zapytał jakie jest ryzyko zablokowania środków i czy potrzebujesz jakichkolwiek dowodów na uzyskanie takiego przychodu.

Osobiście wątpie żeby urzędy miały jakikolwiek standard działania w takich sytuacjach, tj. analizowanie adresów itp. Prawdopodobnie jeżeli bank nie zablokuje ci środków i zadeklarujesz i zapłacisz podatek, to nikt cię po tym niepokoić nie będzie.

Żeby uniknąć blokady, mógłbyś to rozbić na drobniejsze kwoty. To też będzie wyglądać podejrzanie i też bank może cię zgłosić za podejrzane operacje, ale przynajmniej będziesz trzymał kontrolę nad większością swoich środków.

No i może ktoś inny się wypowie czy wymiana krypto na krypto podlega w Polsce opodatkowaniu. Choć zgaduję że w czasach Multipoola to nie było prawnie sprecyzowane.
1693  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: SEC vs Binance on: February 23, 2023, 10:39:17 PM
... most of the money was in the form of US Treasury Bills Well if this true I think the money are safe but they cant redeem all of it in one time, right?

Not 100% sure, but usually there would be some option to cash in bonds before they mature with some small penalty. Or, most likely, US treasuries can be just traded on the open market. Some of the RRPs have maturity dates as late as 2049, there's no way they would hard-lock any funds for that long without an option to terminate early.
So Paxos should be able to service any withdrawal/conversion requests in a relatively short time if it comes to that.
1694  Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in-$200 FreeBTC⭐Win Lambo🔥0.2BTC DailyJackpot🏆$32,500 Wager Contest on: February 23, 2023, 10:00:50 PM
From this news I know that the FreeBitco.in site really doesn't see how many Lottery Tickets or RP Tickets we have because it's not enough to make it possible to get a win, in fact having not so many tickets can actually win the Weekly Lottery, even though it comes back with that person's luck and the ticket that you get really brings luck to that person, to be honest having 80k tickets is very painful for us. We see someone who only has dozens of tickets can win this Lottrey, but don't give up friends, there are still many opportunities in the future, I also experienced things like you..

It's almost fascinating how some people are incapable of understanding the probability of winning.

Let's make it simple:

You have one guy with 100,000 tickets and a million other guys with 10 tickets each.
For the sake of easier calculation, let's assume there's one prize to win.
Despite having 10,000 times more tickets than any other guy, the guy with 100k tickets has less than a 1% chance of winning.

So there's 99% chance that a winner will be someone with only 10 tickets. And then a bunch of geniuses on the forum is shocked how is that even possible 🤦
1695  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Betting strategy question on: February 23, 2023, 09:34:14 PM
Betting small is the only way to last long in the game.

Why would you care about lasting long in gambling at all? That's a strange goal to have.

I'd much rather lose $100 in a minute, than keep playing whatever game for say a couple of days and lose the same amount - because then I'd also lose a lot of time, and you can't buy or win that back.

1696  Economy / Speculation / Re: All of the World’s Money and Markets in One Visualization on: February 22, 2023, 10:26:07 PM
Of course, risk is always present, but no matter how safe an investment is, no one can persuade me to lend money to someone and be happy that they will pay me back in 2 years with an interest rate of 3% - and we have already mentioned that inflation will undoubtedly void any profit.

Ha, I get where you're coming from, I had the same mindset not that long ago. But then reality kicks you in the head when you realise you're already overexposed to Bitcoin and face the dilemma of whether to further increase that exposure by putting in money you can't really afford to lose.
I figured it's best to play it safe for now and see how the situation pans out in the near future. There are no safe options that allow you to beat inflation, but accepting a small loss in value seems more sensible than going all-in and hoping for the best.
It's a cliche but diversifying is the key.
1697  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: SEC vs Binance on: February 22, 2023, 10:11:42 PM
Which is why it's the dumbest idea to make a gold stablecoin, or any precious metal stablecoin for that matter. Roll Eyes The minters are not even guaranteed to have liquidity in the first place, and usually they don't anyway. It's not like anyone's going to go back to Bretton Woods agreement any time soon.

Gold-backed tokens have been around for a while, i.e. Pax Gold: https://paxos.com/paxgold/
They don't have to set up any storage themselves, but would rather use trustworthy, reputable, and much cheaper 3rd parties like Swiss banks, or, in the case of Pax Gold - LBMA (London-based precious metals authority).

Not sure how they generate a profit on that though, probably it's just initial issuance and redemption fees, so much less attractive than fiat-based stablecoins, where most of the profit would be generated from interest on clients' deposits.
1698  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: It is ok to sell your Bitcoin. on: February 22, 2023, 09:56:10 PM
Selling bitcoin depends on your personal intuition.

It shouldn't though. Acting upon pure intuition for making financial decisions is generally a bad idea. What you think is "your" intuition, is usually an emotional reaction to the environment, i.e. if everywhere you look you see FUD - you're more likely to get fearful and sell even if you wanted to hold for a long time.
It's best to have a cold-calculated plan, clear and realistic expectations of your investments and set targets that you want to start realising your gains.
1699  Economy / Speculation / Re: Enough? on: February 22, 2023, 09:34:32 PM
To talk about altcoin, apart from Ethereum, I almost did not see any altcoin with utility or can be used to apply in practice as they advertise. What I see in the Altcoin market right now are pumping and dumping, nothing more than that. I do not deny that the cryptocurrency industry wants to develop, it will need altcoins, but now it is not the time to trust them, all is just a hyped and disappearing game. Crypto is still a more speculative market than creating the technologies of the future we still think.

Crypto trading 101: Hopes and promises of a bright future sell way better than actual utility.

And if you consider ETH to have utility, then you have to admit the same for other similar networks like Binance Smart chain, Polygon or Avalanche.


This thread has now over 100 replies and OP is apparently not interested in engaging in his own discussion. So if anyone is interested in giving OP any advice - don't.
1700  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2023-02-21] FTX Japan allows customers withdraw their funds on: February 21, 2023, 11:45:12 PM
* The withdrawals are possible because the regulations in Japan ask for mandatory insurance. So the withdrawals come from the insurer, not FTX (which is bad news for the rest of the world).

That makes sense, but, if that's the case, insurance would only cover the fiat equivalent of customers' holding at the date of collapse (or another arbitrary date), so it's not like they can withdraw their crypto and it's not like they aren't in loss, due to BTC appreciating in value since then.

That's kind of a paradox, where insolvent, bankrupt crypto exchanges can end up with a surplus of funds after the bankruptcy process is completed. At the expense of its customers that is. That's something that happened with Mt. Gox.
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