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4581  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What Litecoin means for Bitcoin (and crypto in general) once it's on Mt.Gox on: June 24, 2013, 08:32:53 PM
Ended up to a very boring thread IMO... Undecided
4582  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What Litecoin means for Bitcoin (and crypto in general) once it's on Mt.Gox on: June 24, 2013, 02:37:35 PM
I've been following some of the silly discussions in this thread and I'd like to weigh in on some things.

First of all, as far as actual usage, all alternative cryptocurrencies, including Ripple, are, as of right now, absolutely useless compared to Bitcoin. Once we understand that, we can continue the analysis on a fair basis.

Claiming that the altcoins have a significant diluting effect on Bitcoin, is a statement with no actual facts backing it. Thus far all of the other cryptocurrencies have managed to get a very small market cap compared to Bitcoin. Here I don't even address the possibility that most likely altcoins will bring in more people to the cryptocurrency scene, which will actually increase the whole cryptomoney market cap.

Bitcoin market cap = ~1.1 billion USD
Litecoin market cap = ~50 million USD
Ripple market cap = ~17 million USD (1.2 billion XRP distributed so far based on founder statement, 7000 equals 1 bitcoin, 1 bitcoin is $100)
Other altcoins = ~50 million total?

One can disagree with the way I calculate the XRP market cap, but I can assure you that's the only sane way of doing it.

So, now that we know that the altcoins are basically useless at this time, and their total market cap is very small compared to Bitcoin, we can clearly see that they have no significant "diluting" effect on Bitcoin. It's almost the same as saying that Bitcoin is diluting the Euro. Which is obviously ridiculous. They do dilute Bitcoin more than Bitcoin dilutes the Euro, but anyway. You get the point.

What are altcoins good for? They are good for experimenting with stuff that Bitcoin simply can't. Potentially exciting cryptocurrency innovations can come from there. They can also provide some additional mixing capabilities to the cryptomarket, thus allowing more privacy.

One can argue that some innovations already exist. Faster block time (in my opinion an insignificant issue), different algorithm for proof of work (don't agree on scrypt superiority at all, but I do see it as a good backup), different model entirely (proof of stake included) etc.

Ripple is the most innovative of them all, it's very different. Then again Ripple has significant issues as well. It's way more centralized and it's also way more closed. At the moment at least. I'm at this time very skeptical of Ripple, but the core idea behind it is more innovative than the other altcoins.

Finally, I wouldn't really worry about altcoins. They can dilute Bitcoin a bit, and they are mostly useless, but they can also bring in new people and create more diversity for the cryptocurrency economy. That can't be bad. The market will make sure the useless ones die eventually. Remember that Bitcoin has a huge lead in brand name, publicity and network effect. All the others are way, way behind, and regardless of the innovations they bring, they will have a tough time catching up.

Even though in some ways the "Bitcoin is gold, Litecoin is silver" analogy is bad, in some ways it holds true. Litecoin will most likely remain a significantly cheaper cryptocurrency. Not relative to the monetary base, but in actual market cap.

I'm surprised if Litecoin ever manages to sustain a market cap that is over 10% of Bitcoin market cap. Right now it's at 4%, which I think is actually a bit high. Litecoin has perhaps 1% of the usage Bitcoin has, so it's a bit overvalued. It's very speculative though, so who knows.
You said all I would like to say!
4583  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: June 24, 2013, 08:16:07 AM
http://t.co/r9BbyijSrs

Dear Mt. Gox Customers

Early this morning at 4am Tokyo time Mt. Gox experienced some downtime that prevented customers from accessing the site. The issue was not an attack, but rather a system error that caused the problem. We were alerted to an error in the file system that had triggered a kernal panic, resulting in a server freeze. At that point we had to restart the server manually and proceeded with a fsck (file system check) which took some time. Once the server was clear we restarted the system.

We are well aware that this kind of problem should not normally occur. We are currently in the process of migrating our server from a hosting provider to our own data center, and as soon as we have completed the move such problems should not repeat themselves in the future.

We apologise for any inconvenience caused to our customers who were trying to use our services during this period

Regards,

Mt Gox Team
4584  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] labcoin ASIC project - v.1 @180nm - v.2 @65nm - European / Chinese Team on: June 24, 2013, 07:52:52 AM
with only 34 postings and sign up in may of 2013 how much of a claims do you have? now with members asking a few more questions you tend to throw up in saying you only would sell to private investors? not for the general public? are you scare or try to hide  something from us? ?
See when I first logged in. What does this make me? More important than you or anyone else?
Childish criteria...
4585  Economy / Speculation / Re: what will happen to the price after mtgox come up again ? on: June 23, 2013, 08:11:38 PM
LTC@10$ lmao
4586  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: June 23, 2013, 07:37:53 PM
How many lives does MtGox have?


4587  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: June 23, 2013, 07:25:48 PM
Testing LTC in the new trading engine  Tongue

No, I expect that would look more like this


Fox trap!!!
4588  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: June 23, 2013, 07:23:53 PM
KnC want you to register as a business, they want this to be professional endeavour, where upon you can claim back VAT, they certainly have no interest in aiding you to commit tax evasion, which is illegal. They said this at the openday.
Awesome, missed that thank you!

Are you UK based? If so register as a 'sole trader', you can claim back electricity costs, additional supporting hardware, i.e. computer, office kit/furniture and if at home a % of your mortgage/rent back as it's being used for business related activity. Check with an accountant.
I am in Greece but my sis lives in London 5 years! Hmm...

EDIT: I will PM when I have some time if you don't mind!
4589  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: June 23, 2013, 07:17:18 PM
Testing LTC in the new trading engine  Tongue
4590  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: June 23, 2013, 07:15:40 PM
Dead here too
4591  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin Foundation receives cease and desist order from California on: June 23, 2013, 07:14:40 PM
You people there are so naive...sorry for my tone, I really like most of you but it has begun and you still negotiate!
You gave them a "foundation" to target and attempt to gain control over.  Don't act surprised now that they actually do so.
Hellraiser - aka The Consequences of Raising Hell
4592  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: June 23, 2013, 07:10:10 PM
Aliens are Faster Than Light - LTC too slow.
Go go Feathercoin!

Just to highlight how pointless argument is the speed issue between BTC & LTC. Not to mention XRP (but wait! it's a scam!...)
4593  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: June 23, 2013, 06:08:58 PM
While Gox doesn't do USD withdrawals, there is a good opportunity to transfer your BTC from Gox to BTC-E and buy LTC.
Maybe it's their only hope to survive.

Agreed.
I edit it but the meaning is the same...
4594  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: June 23, 2013, 06:07:56 PM
While Gox doesn't do USD withdrawals, there is a good opportunity to transfer your BTC from Gox to BTC-E and buy LTC.
Maybe Gox trading cryptos like BTC-e is their only hope to survive.
4595  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: June 23, 2013, 06:05:24 PM
KnC want you to register as a business, they want this to be professional endeavour, where upon you can claim back VAT, they certainly have no interest in aiding you to commit tax evasion, which is illegal. They said this at the openday.
Awesome, missed that thank you!
4596  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin Foundation receives cease and desist order from California on: June 23, 2013, 06:03:02 PM
Blitz means they want to cut the head to finish BTC quick. Dream on!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lernaean_Hydra
4597  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: June 23, 2013, 06:01:16 PM
And not just his housekeeper, go look up a picture of her.
Unbelievable.
Down Down Down!!  Tongue
Well this is the price of injecting supraridiculous doses of Test on your butt!
4598  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin Foundation receives cease and desist order from California on: June 23, 2013, 05:56:40 PM
Ask the parents of dead Iraqi children if they thought the war on terror fought in there country was legal and/or valid.

The FED and now California are declaring war.  Most other states will fall in line.

Individual prosecution is next.

Let's try to be mature adults and keep some perspective.

Recent FinCEN guidances, DHS/etc. seizures, IRS/GAO discussions have all been in line with existing US law.  See my State of the Coin 2011 presentation and earlier forum discussions.  It has always been known that US individuals and companies must... do the obvious and follow US law.  For US bitcoin exchanges, for example, that likely means federal + 48 state licensing.  Enforcement actions like Liberty Reserve or Mutum Sigilium seemed to be clearly outside existing, known regulations.  You gotta expect law enforcement to... enforce the laws.

This California letter is so zany because it does not fit existing law or facts In My Opinion As A Non-Lawyer.

Each regulatory action needs careful consideration within the context of its country.  "ZOMG GOVERNMENT DEAD IRAQI CHILDREN" is about as far from thoughtful consideration as one can get.

Bitcoin is big, and we are getting a lot of regulator scrutiny right now, worldwide.
With all the respect to your technical skills I really doubt your political ones.
This from a non US European Balkan guy with centuries of Byzantine politics f@ckin up the continent.
You people there are so naive...sorry for my tone, I really like most of you but it has begun and you still negotiate!
BF is Goethe's Faust...
Oh Europe! What a dirty old bitch...
4599  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: June 23, 2013, 05:54:12 PM
But there is any specific reasons of why they are "transmitting money" in the document? Can't read it all now.

No, there is no specific allegation in the document, just a general admonishment against violating the statute. California clearly has their wires crossed because, even under the most expansive interpretation of the law, the foundation is not a money transmitter.

They cannot be a money transmitter simply for advocating for Bitcoin as there are first amendment issues preventing regulation of that type of speech.

The point here is: They are a conglomerate of mtgox, bitpay and others which do fit the term money transmitter.

What if the state already knows they aren't a money transmitter but are looking to engage the membership all at once. Some of them are money transmitters. Remember, California is broke. Fines represent real income for the state. On a side note, they just raised the parking meter violation fine next to my house in SF. It's $90 now! This place is fucked!
What the hell happened with Arnold? I like this dude (I am not US citizen)...

He got caught making a baby with his house keeper. No joke.
LMAO I had forgot about that one!
4600  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin Foundation receives cease and desist order from California on: June 23, 2013, 05:52:46 PM
Ask the parents of dead Iraqi children if they thought the war on terror fought in there country was legal and/or valid.

The FED and now California are declaring war.  Most other states will fall in line.

Individual prosecution is next.

Let's try to be mature adults and keep some perspective.

Recent FinCEN guidances, DHS/etc. seizures, IRS/GAO discussions have all been in line with existing US law.  See my State of the Coin 2011 presentation and earlier forum discussions.  It has always been known that US individuals and companies must... do the obvious and follow US law.  For US bitcoin exchanges, for example, that likely means federal + 48 state licensing.  Enforcement actions like Liberty Reserve or Mutum Sigilium seemed to be clearly outside existing, known regulations.  You gotta expect law enforcement to... enforce the laws.

This California letter is so zany because it does not fit existing law or facts In My Opinion As A Non-Lawyer.

Each regulatory action needs careful consideration within the context of its country.  "ZOMG GOVERNMENT DEAD IRAQI CHILDREN" is about as far from thoughtful consideration as one can get.

Bitcoin is big, and we are getting a lot of regulator scrutiny right now, worldwide.
With all the respect to your technical skills I really doubt your political ones.
This from a non US European Balkan guy with centuries of Byzantine politics f@ckin up the continent.
You people there are so naive...sorry for my tone, I really like most of you but it has begun and you still negotiate!
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