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521  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or Gold? What would you pick? on: October 23, 2014, 10:26:40 AM
Good to diversify, 50% gold and 50% bitcoin..

Maybe throw some stocks in the mix

What if physical bitcoin that made of gold? Cheesy that is possible right? but what is the value? according to gold or to bitoin? Cheesy

Cassius coins, silver wallet, gold wallet.... The idea has been tried before.  Smiley

What about a coin backed by Gold and by a trusted centralised company?
522  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The White European should be praised for their actions concerning slavery on: October 22, 2014, 10:14:57 PM
Slavery has existed for thousands of year, it was huge in Africa, the Africans were indeed the biggest slavers of Africans and were the ones who sold Africans to Americans; slavery was big in the middle east and existed in Asia too

The European, more precisely catholics white europeans were the first one to abolish it and push for its global abolition and they succeeded; yet they seem to have the ones who get the shame now!? It's very stupid and giving blame to Europeans or white for slavery is changing history since every culture and all ethnic groups were having slaves and white were the first one to abolish it

By the way, the current problems of the Black community in the USA are due to government programs that are suppose to help them but keep them in poverty and it's due to the fight against marijuana that results in way more negative than positive
Pointing out that they were pioneers in the race based slave trade is not "blaming" Europe, simply pointing out it is not an American invention regardless of how the media portrays it. Also doesn't Europe deserve its share of the blame? After all it did practice slavery as well, and certainly profited handsomely from the trade in the Americas.

Race base slavery was obviously not invented by the USA but it wasn't invented by Europe either, slavery in Africa was between different ethnicities.

All regions of the world had slaves, Europe didn't have more than other regions, it had less and there are the first ones who started the movement of abolition and succeeded first then pushed for everyone to abolish slavery and still do; if it wasn't for Europe there would probably still be slaves in most countries so there deserve less blame than than the middle easterners, less blame than the Asians or Americans and especially less blame than the Africans where slavery is still big : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Africa
523  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The White European should be praised for their actions concerning slavery on: October 22, 2014, 03:19:33 PM
What other country had race based slavery where they treated the workers like cattle?
You are really REALLY arguing that the US invented raced based slavery? I guess ancient Egypt doesn't count...

Did Ancient Egyptians own slaves in the 19th century?
Not that I am aware of...thats a nice qualifier you added after the fact once you realize you were incorrect, but in order for some group or individual to have invented something they have to be the first to exhibit that practice correct?

Race based slavery. google it

Compelling reason to not go to Catholic school
Telling me to google a phrase is not an argument or a source. "Race based slavery" existed LONG before the US did. Just because popular media portrays all slavery as Africans held by Americans doesn't mean it was invented in the US. Here is one example of raced based slavery before the US. I am sure there are many more.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_African_Company

Slavery in Africa : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Africa
524  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The White European should be praised for their actions concerning slavery on: October 22, 2014, 03:16:09 PM
Slavery has existed for thousands of year, it was huge in Africa, the Africans were indeed the biggest slavers of Africans and were the ones who sold Africans to Americans; slavery was big in the middle east and existed in Asia too

The European, more precisely catholics white europeans were the first one to abolish it and push for its global abolition and they succeeded; yet they seem to have the ones who get the shame now!? It's very stupid and giving blame to Europeans or white for slavery is changing history since every culture and all ethnic groups were having slaves and white were the first one to abolish it

By the way, the current problems of the Black community in the USA are due to government programs that are suppose to help them but keep them in poverty and it's due to the fight against marijuana that results in way more negative than positive
525  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The White European should be praised for their actions concerning slavery on: October 21, 2014, 11:16:47 AM
So you're advancing the idea that because some people who used to own slaves eventually voted to abolish it, those people should be commended even though they first failed to reject slavery as evil when they had the first opportunity, thereby tolerating and partaking in an institution that destroyed hundreds of thousands of lives?

I'm not buying it.
I am pretty sure the same logic can be applied to you...
What is stopping you from boycotting goods produced literally with modern slave labor in stead of buying items that pay people a decent living wage? Chances are you buy the cheapest product like most people, and because it is socially acceptable, you too support modern slavery. Now if someone might not be completely aware of this dynamic, this individual changing their behavior in favor of support of human rights is now suddenly not commendable because they once enjoyed a higher standard of living at the expense of others? I argue that you yourself are doing the very same thing right now, only with a lot less awareness of how your habits cause human suffering. You should probably check your judgment lest ye be judged. IMO some one doing wrong, admitting it, and changing their behavior shows a lot more strength than the person that pretends they aren't perpetrators (you).

It is good for the poor country to have companies that invest money in the country and employ people that would have done a worse job instead and can now better support their family
526  Other / Politics & Society / Re: An eye opening video about Climate that need to be shared with you on: October 21, 2014, 12:13:22 AM
The error is in indiscriminate promotion of these systems by governments in bed with greenies.
Ha ha. LOL.
No.
They are in bed with the big companies.
Example: http://www.rag-stiftung.de/en/about-us/the-board-of-executives/dr-werner-mueller/
Certainly not anything green.
Things would look a lot different.

Government are in bed with green energy companies

The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:

Evergreen Solar  ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt  ($500,000)*
Solyndra  ($535 million)*
Beacon Power  ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal  ($98.5 million)
SunPower  ($1.2 billion)
First Solar  ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown  ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1  ($118.5 million)*
Amonix  ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive  ($529 million)
Abound Solar  ($400 million)*
A123 Systems  ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group  ($700,981)*
Johnson Controls  ($299 million)
Brightsource  ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality  ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies  ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices  ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc.  ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company  ($10 million)*
Range Fuels  ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power  ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems  ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics  ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts  ($500,000)
Vestas  ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power  ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower  ($16 million)*
Navistar  ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc.  ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp.  ($100 million)
*Denotes companies that have filed for bankruptcy.

Governments are also in bed with big companies
527  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The White European should be praised for their actions concerning slavery on: October 21, 2014, 12:11:24 AM
So you're advancing the idea that because some people who used to own slaves eventually voted to abolish it, those people should be commended even though they first failed to reject slavery as evil when they had the first opportunity, thereby tolerating and partaking in an institution that destroyed hundreds of thousands of lives?

I'm not buying it.

It is not only Europeans who had slaves but every culture and every region of the world; they didn't start it and the European are the first ones that abolished it and pushed for the abolition in other regions of the world, they are still the ones who fight the most against the horror of slavery
528  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The White European should be praised for their actions concerning slavery on: October 20, 2014, 02:20:34 PM
slavery should have been abolished in this earth, only hemisphere where all men should live free, but that we see in electronic media and print media slavery still occurs, due to the existence of the war, many children and women who are victims, so it should slavery should be abolished, let's hope the government all over the country want to hear the complaints of the slaves that exist in other countries ...  Undecided

The State is the one which established racist laws, educating children in state schools about the superiority of the White and it even subsidised the slaves in the USA by bringing them with tax money

In a free society some crazy racist may have businesses that don't accept some workers based on gender or race but they would be at a disadvantage compared to other businesses and would lose part of their clientele and most importantly it would be extremely rare if not non existant

Think people saying that so called "African Americans" (which I always found a bit of a racist term because they are not African, they are American) are under performing economically and socially in the USA because they have been slaves is extremely racist and undermining for the community, they are under performing because they have been the center of attention of the State subsidies that keep people poor
529  Other / Politics & Society / The White European should be praised for their actions concerning slavery on: October 20, 2014, 03:54:59 AM
You probably thought I lost it but you will understand what I mean if you watch the end of the Stefan Molyneux's video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auQJMLWx6og&list=UUC3L8QaxqEGUiBC252GHy3w

Molyneux is very direct but after you are shocked by what he is saying you usually start thinking that what he is saying make a lot of sense; in this video, he is talking about the fact that slavery was present in every culture and most countries for thousands of years : Africa, Americas, Middle East, Asia and Europe until Europeans fought to abolish it, yet we still hear that the White Europeans were the biggest bad guys concerning slavery and should feel ashamed when they should be praised if anything
530  Economy / Services / Re: Can someone find those sc.ammers? I will pay 50% of what I get back on: October 19, 2014, 04:39:27 PM
BUMP

Nobody found any infos? PMs welcome
531  Other / Off-topic / Re: Red Meat : you are eating blood on: October 19, 2014, 04:38:51 PM
Am craving a good steak at the moment Tongue
532  Other / Politics & Society / Re: An eye opening video about Climate that need to be shared with you on: October 19, 2014, 04:38:19 PM
It's so confusing all the different opinions on climate change. For me it seems that it's a natural process for the climate our planet. It's a very complicated system, with a huge amount of factors to influenciate. In reality man cannot understand all these factors. And when man cannot understand things they tend to create myths.

If man can find an excuse to make money he will try to sell you the air that we breathe

Or if it can help them control the people they will sell you the fact that a disgusting expensive energy such as solar panels or wind turbines is better than natural green energy such as oil or the most renewable and less dedly energy (only one major very deadly incident in 50years) : radioactivity
They are not really disgusting, they just need to be carefully located.  Say on islands where there is no natural energy and all electric comes from ships bringing fuel oil or coal to the island.  Or remote areas, where it isn't practical or cheap to run a power line. 

It's disgusting to lie about solar and wind and to claim they will replace coal and gas.

We have sufficient experience with solar and wind today to know these claims are false.

Look at the fail of Germany on so called "green" energies; they lost billions for nothing and they are importing nuclear energy from Poland and use coal energy

Wind turbines and solar panels use rare earth metals, wind turbines only last for 20years and need a lot of maintenance so they need a lot of resources to build and to maintain
Yes, I agree completely.  But STILL, you will agree with me that there are likely some places on this planet where solar and or windmill power do make perfect sense from an engineering and fiscal perspective.

The error is in indiscriminate promotion of these systems by governments in bed with greenies.

Oh yes I agree and the market and private capital would develop the technology but pouring billions and sometimes tens of billions in public programs without caring much about the cost or if it's profitable is a bad idea

It makes me think of hundreds of billions rail road constructed that everyone like when you could pay an airline ticket a month to every citizen for 100years with the same money!
533  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you really earn more money because you went to college? on: October 19, 2014, 04:36:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbUFBk3477o

Peter Schiff is also saying that a lot of people take students loans to pay their rent and support themselves
534  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Anyone keeping track of real estate purchases bought with BTC? on: October 19, 2014, 01:13:03 PM
I'm All In - Sold My House! : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=508254.0
535  Economy / Economics / Re: What if Nigeria suddenly demanded that all the export would be done in btc? on: October 19, 2014, 01:09:43 PM
Hopefully news like that will come up in a few years

We already see an increasing of countries trading in Gold or other currencies than the USD
536  Economy / Speculation / Re: $10,000 when? on: October 19, 2014, 01:07:17 PM
$10000 ? Sometime   in 2017, folks

LOG chart trend line tells me that very clear:


Someone will bump this thread in 3 years so.. I hope you are not too optimistic with your predictions on there and you are right.

All that chart reveals is that there is a high degree of probability that the lowest point in the year 2017 is greater than $10,000.  This leads me to believe that by 2017 the average price will have to be well north of that.  I think $10,000 in 2017 is ultra conservative.  I actually anticipate that price tag sometime in 2016....although 2015 is most certainly game

If things go write 10,000$ in 2017 wouldn't be surprising but things can go wrong; hopefully they won't and we will see a price in the 5digits before 2020
537  Economy / Speculation / Re: Who sold below $550? The $400 bottom is in LOL!!!! on: October 19, 2014, 01:04:55 PM
Grin Grin Grin

New ATH by end of July 2014 here we come.

$5000 by the end of 2014 here we come!

Let this serve as a lesson for the people who are now predicting the bottom is in and we'll never see $300 again and a new ATH by whenever. Don't be misled by greedy manipulators and do your own due diligence.

The price is pretty strong at around 400$ considering the negativity and the talks of the price going down sub 300$, we could be at 600$ before the end of the year and get the new spike up to a new ATH in 2015
538  Economy / Gambling / Re: ➫ ➬ ➫ ➬ LUCKYB.IT ★ +10k BTC wagered ★ the best onchain game on: October 19, 2014, 01:03:31 PM
Andddddddddddd another RED x130 hit again !
Awesome

Grats DikuBTC !


That moment when lady luck is on your side...

Congrats DikuBTC  Grin

I think he was disapointed by making 3.9BTC from 0.03 Grin

Congratulations! Makes me want to play!!!
539  Other / Off-topic / Re: If 1 BTC = $10,000 in 2014..... I will treat you guys to something . on: October 19, 2014, 01:02:22 PM
BTC price is not increasing Sad

This thread will come back up in the feed when the price will go up closer to 1000$ Wink
540  Economy / Speculation / Re: Scientist predicts world stock market collapse in 3 months on: October 19, 2014, 01:00:13 PM
It will be also very important to have an easy way to hedge against the dollar with big amounts of money. That is one point why we need a working etf asap.

You get loans in Dollar or Euro and you buy tangible assets in countries that respect the property rights
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