So the whole point of this is to acquire Nxt. |
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Yeah, this is getting ridiculous, we usually fill 30 pages of voting arguments with no results. I still think we need to keep it tied with AM, so it can be easily implemented into a client down the road. Think of like this, I want to start a voting topic using weslyn web tool, I fill in the parameters, it creates a Nxt account specific to that topic, everyone votes by sending me a public AM "Yes" or "No". I can then check for duplicates, blockchain height, etc.. when tallying votes. The block chain wins because forgers are rewarded with Nxt used to vote.
Why do you need AM's here, when the site can check everything for you? Compare the steps required to send AM to a specific account for a specific vote to going to a site and clicking a button. All issues and all votes will be in one place, clearly visible to everyone, even without a NXT account. And why do we need to load blockchain when we can avoid it? Really, is it that difficult to send an AM? We aren't bloating the blockchain, we are adding value to the POS system with forging rewards. With public AM, all votes are there for the public to see, no manipulation. Voting needs to cost 1 Nxt so people only vote on topics important to them. |
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Yeah, this is getting ridiculous, we usually fill 30 pages of voting arguments with no results. I still think we need to keep it tied with AM, so it can be easily implemented into a client down the road. Think of like this, I want to start a voting topic using weslyn web tool, I fill in the parameters, it creates a Nxt account specific to that topic, everyone votes by sending me a public AM "Yes" or "No". I can then check for duplicates, blockchain height, etc.. when tallying votes. The block chain wins because forgers are rewarded with Nxt used to vote.
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Q: What is the biggest complaint/criticism of NXT right now?
A: Unfair distribution of NXT
Proposal: Let those with the most NXT have the most votes, further giving more power to those who have already been fortunate.
Conclusion: NXT is doomed. The end.
+1, everyone should have an equal vote, it should cost the amount of one AM per forging private key account. |
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I couldn't care less about these calculations. I care about the idea NXT represents and that would make NXT a success or not.
Either you want to present NXT as a rich guy's club with some kind of superior technology or you want to present NXT as a network/ movement for free people, for decentralization and against all power government.
Sorry for the spoiler. Before u continue this discussion u'd better to know that PoS is required only during bootstrapping phase of Nxt. I can't reveal details now, u have to wait for the 3rd part of the plan. Is that when BCNext reveals that he's Satoshi? |
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So there should be votes, but not all are meant to vote.
The ones that are meant to vote, are not the ones with the knowledge on the subject being voted, but the ones with the big wallet.
That is a sound plan to some..
i am coming to the conclusion that a lot of people are reading "stakeholder" and think of "shareholder"...
This is not a corporation.
Why don't we try to find solutions as a community and not as a Board of Trustees?
These people are so short-sighted. It is open source software for GOD's sake. You are not holding APPLE stocks. If you guys make NXT a rich guy club, then you are killing NXT the chance to be a real social movement. Unless you can protect the software indefinitely. Think about it. I'm a fairly large Nxt holder and I would be perfectly comfortable having 1 vote. I feel that anyone who holds Nxt has a vested interest, regardless of amount. We need to have 1 Vote per 1 Nxt Forging Private Key account. |
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Since Ethereum needs a re-write, how long with the launch be delayed? Can't be good for the Conference IPO announcement.
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I would be very happy if you can devise a better way that actually works.
As suggested by Anon why not just set of 4 Nxt accounts and let people vote with their NXT (it is a PoS system after all)? The dangerous incentives would have to be stepped around very very carefully. Imagine a situation where someone spent 10,000 nxt to vote for having 20,000 nxt spent on his "marketing" campaign and then just disappeared. With that said it may still be the best way. If we use AM, then we can at least make sure each voting account is different with a public key. |
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Here is my suggestion: Open a Nxt account for voting. If someone wants to vote, they can send the account a public AM (Message). Use a topic # that people can use in their voting message. For example, message says "I vote for option #2 on topic # 112" That way, it cost 1 Nxt to vote but the account doesn't actually receive any Nxt.
I like this idea also - at least we are now starting to think about a Nxt way of voting! Or even better, open a new Nxt account for each voting topic, then you just vote with AM, and don't have to cite the topic. |
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I would be very happy if you can devise a better way that actually works.
As suggested by Anon why not just set of 4 Nxt accounts and let people vote with their NXT (it is a PoS system after all)? Great idea. Let anon do it and see the results. Maybe it would be the same. Here is my suggestion: Open a Nxt account for voting. If someone wants to vote, they can send the account a public AM (Message). Use a topic # that people can use in their voting message. For example, message says "I vote for option #2 on topic # 112" That way, it cost 1 Nxt to vote but the account doesn't actually receive any Nxt. |
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Others alternatives are too time consuming. There is no clear motive for anyone to rig this poll. If there is a motive to rig the poll to benefit someone, we will find a different way of doing it.
Anyone with an agenda in regards to Nxt could well have motive and as I mentioned: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=423995.0;topicseen means that you can create as many accounts to vote as you like right now. So what does the poll actually achieve when you have absolutely no way to know whether it is in anyway representative of Nxt stakeholders? All polls should be held at NxtCrytpo.org forum. Then make a poll there. I will vote. What is the point of having two polls at this point. Moving forward lets just post the polls at the NxtCrypto forum, then we would at least avoid allowing any BTT member to vote on our subjects. |
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The best way is to avoid situations when we need a consensus. That's what decentralization about.
Then divide the 9Mil among all private key Nxt accounts. |
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Others alternatives are too time consuming. There is no clear motive for anyone to rig this poll. If there is a motive to rig the poll to benefit someone, we will find a different way of doing it.
Anyone with an agenda in regards to Nxt could well have motive and as I mentioned: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=423995.0;topicseen means that you can create as many accounts to vote as you like right now. So what does the poll actually achieve when you have absolutely no way to know whether it is in anyway representative of Nxt stakeholders? All polls should be held at NxtCrytpo.org forum. |
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Made a starting point homepage for newcomers: http://www.mynxt.orgIf you find wrong information or have some suggestions, please PM me. Thanks! I hope you like it! (registered a new nick on bitcointalk for this) Good job! +1 Mario123, great looking site. Will be great when we get a couple open source clients. This is a reason why we don't need one person with a marketing budget, Salasz should give Mario123 bounty right now. |
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WE NEED AN ACCOUNT FREEZE CODE CAPABILITY A USER CAN LOAD INTO THE BLOCKCHAIN AS A PAID MESSAGE THAT ALL NODES WILL RECOGNIZE AND REJECT ALL TRANSACTIONS OUT OF THIS ACCOUNT UNTIL A USER REVERSES IT AND TURNS IT OFF WITH A SECOND PASSWORD. No need to shout, but yes. +1 ### woulda saved me 107000 NXT  Would have saved me 500k NXT. As a lawyer says to a jury, I rest my case. Utopianfuture, you could wake up tomorrow to this nightmare. So could I. Dear reader, so could you. There is a reason for this, both have something in common. I still have some Nxt in an 8 character password (all letters) account and it's still there no problem. Nope, TwinWinNerD and I discussed it. Yes. And the strange thing is, IF they had access to my Keepass database, why did they only target my NXT accounts and not exchange accounts with funds on them? I had a good bunch of money on bitfinex for example. Or use my reputation in various forums to scam people? I am still not 100% convinced it was a keylogger with access to all my datas. Maybe someone found a way to read the chache of my browser? I never use "Safe mode" for NXT. Maybe i should do that from now on? I always use the secure 7875 connection, do either of you? Either way, sorry for your loss. I had problems with early versions, so i always used this bookmark: http://localhost:7874/Could that be a serious problem? It could be if a hacker has access to your browser cache, if it's 7875, they wouldn't be able to see anything. It's such an isolated incident, that it may be something you did, but don't remember doing, like accessing your account on a public node address. |
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WE NEED AN ACCOUNT FREEZE CODE CAPABILITY A USER CAN LOAD INTO THE BLOCKCHAIN AS A PAID MESSAGE THAT ALL NODES WILL RECOGNIZE AND REJECT ALL TRANSACTIONS OUT OF THIS ACCOUNT UNTIL A USER REVERSES IT AND TURNS IT OFF WITH A SECOND PASSWORD. No need to shout, but yes. +1 ### woulda saved me 107000 NXT Would have saved me 500k NXT. As a lawyer says to a jury, I rest my case. Utopianfuture, you could wake up tomorrow to this nightmare. So could I. Dear reader, so could you. There is a reason for this, both have something in common. I still have some Nxt in an 8 character password (all letters) account and it's still there no problem. Nope, TwinWinNerD and I discussed it. Yes. And the strange thing is, IF they had access to my Keepass database, why did they only target my NXT accounts and not exchange accounts with funds on them? I had a good bunch of money on bitfinex for example. Or use my reputation in various forums to scam people? I am still not 100% convinced it was a keylogger with access to all my datas. Maybe someone found a way to read the chache of my browser? I never use "Safe mode" for NXT. Maybe i should do that from now on? I always use the secure 7875 connection, do either of you? Either way, sorry for your loss. |
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Well, I faced a moral dilemma and would like to ask for an advice...
FrictionlessCoin created a thread dedicated to NEX (descendant of NXT). I had a lot of fun reading that thread but I suspect some people took NEX seriously. The problem is that if FC waits till April when Nxt source code becomes completely open, he still won't be able to generate a valid genesis block, coz Nxt uses a crypto algo modified by BCNext (this is why we collected 10 BTC for the audit). I support all cryptocurrencies and would like to help him to create a new genesis block, competition is good for the whole crypto-community. But this could look not very good to guys who own NXTs...
What would u do?
I would tell him that the only way for his coin to be truly fair, would be to make it free forever. Otherwise, he's creating nothing new or fair. |
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WE NEED AN ACCOUNT FREEZE CODE CAPABILITY A USER CAN LOAD INTO THE BLOCKCHAIN AS A PAID MESSAGE THAT ALL NODES WILL RECOGNIZE AND REJECT ALL TRANSACTIONS OUT OF THIS ACCOUNT UNTIL A USER REVERSES IT AND TURNS IT OFF WITH A SECOND PASSWORD. No need to shout, but yes. +1 ### woulda saved me 107000 NXT Would have saved me 500k NXT. As a lawyer says to a jury, I rest my case. Utopianfuture, you could wake up tomorrow to this nightmare. So could I. Dear reader, so could you. There is a reason for this, both have something in common. I still have some Nxt in an 8 character password (all letters) account and it's still there no problem. |
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Has anyone experienced at least one error with 0.5.9? I mean, a real exception stack trace in the log, other than due to corrupted .nxt files on startup? I haven't even seen a single blockchain rescan in the last two days, only the occasional "generated incorrect block" message, so I don't know whether rescans still cause exceptions, or rescans don't happen anymore, or complete without errors?
It is getting boring, no bugs to fix... need to focus on the refactoring. And no, no new feature requests until I am done with it.
Nope, I'm starting to get bored by how well NRS works. |
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