[ANN] Sia - Decentralized Storage

[xibeijan]

Yes, you are. Siafunds do not take any fees from miners, do not take transaction fees, do not take subsidy fees. The only fees that siafunds take are from siacoins spent in file contracts. This is very different from transaction fees. If people are spending 17BTC per day on storage, each siafund will be earning 0.000066 BTC per day. If people are spending 10,000 BTC per day on storage, then each siafund will be earning 0.039 BTC per day, or 14BTC per year.

Thanks for the good answer. What kind of tx volume would equate for 10,000 BTC per day on storage?  Currently how many tx can fit in a Sia block and what is the block time?

In today's space, a total of around 200,000 BTC are spent per day on cloud storage.

Please provide a reference for this.

We hope to have a guide out for the various ways to make money.

great.

I do have one major concern regarding the uptake of Sia by businesses.  Many countries have data protection laws that mandate that users personal information may not leave the country.  Sia won't be used by any serious businesses unless it can comply with these laws.  How do you plan to deal with this?

[Taek]

will the miner itself be separated into an nvidia miner and amd miner? ...

im asking purely for the pre-setup that needs to be done an this end ... especially if you have the source code available and we can compile the miner readily - from github or similar ...

tanx again ...

#crysx

Right now we just have 1 opencl miner that works for both types of cards. We'll be publishing the source code in the next 2-3 days.

Thanks for the good answer. What kind of tx volume would equate for 10,000 BTC per day on storage?  Currently how many tx can fit in a Sia block and what is the block time?

These numbers are discussed at length in post #129. Thanks to payment channels + contract channels, a near-infinite volume can be handled off-chain. There are limitations to the total number of users, however.

In today's space, a total of around 200,000 BTC are spent per day on cloud storage.

Please provide a reference for this.

http://www.marketsandmarkets.com/PressReleases/cloud-storage.asp

http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiscolumbus/2015/01/24/roundup-of-cloud-computing-forecasts-and-market-estimates-2015/

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/cloud-storage-market-worth-468-billion-by-2018-182524001.html

The numbers aren't terribly consistent, but they are in the $10s of billions per year, which is more than 200,000 BTC per day. It's not actualy Bitcoins being spent, I converted USD to Bitcoins when making the point.

I do have one major concern regarding the uptake of Sia by businesses.  Many countries have data protection laws that mandate that users personal information may not leave the country.  Sia won't be used by any serious businesses unless it can comply with these laws.  How do you plan to deal with this?

Users/apps have full control over which hosts they select. Though I personally recommend against staying inside of one country (it's definitely less secure), if national regulations force you to stay inside of a country than it's a rule that can easily by followed by checking a host's IP address before agreeing to upload to them. Client-side encryption makes this regulation unnecessary, but governments aren't always savvy enough to realize this.

[xibeijan]

Users/apps have full control over which hosts they select. Though I personally recommend against staying inside of one country (it's definitely less secure), if national regulations force you to stay inside of a country than it's a rule that can easily by followed by checking a host's IP address before agreeing to upload to them.

You will need to make it easy, like "select from a list of countries you permit your data to be stored in".  Users can't be bothered sifting through lists of IP addresses.

Client-side encryption makes this regulation unnecessary, but governments aren't always savvy enough to realize this.

The law is the law and companies are required to follow it, whether or not it makes sense technically.  That's just an unpleasant part of the cloud storage market and Sia must allow companies to comply with the law if it's to be successful in entering this market at all.

[Taek]

You will need to make it easy, like "select from a list of countries you permit your data to be stored in".  Users can't be bothered sifting through lists of IP addresses.

We will try to make it as easy for the users and developers as possible. We're planning on implementing a plugin system for the UI, you could put in a plugin that limits your host choices to hosts that you are legally allowed to choose.

im asking purely for the pre-setup that needs to be done an this end ... especially if you have the source code available and we can compile the miner readily - from github or similar ...

tanx again ...

#crysx

https://github.com/NebulousLabs/Sia-GPU-Miner

Here is the source code. As far as we are aware, it works on all cards that support open-cl. The mining will not work with the master branch of Sia until the 'hardfork' branch has been merged. The hardfork branch is here: https://github.com/NebulousLabs/Sia/tree/hardfork

We are expecting to merge the hardfork branch either tomorrow or Tuesday.

[Makezzila]

https://github.com/NebulousLabs/Sia-GPU-Miner

Here is the source code. As far as we are aware, it works on all cards that support open-cl. The mining will not work with the master branch of Sia until the 'hardfork' branch has been merged. The hardfork branch is here: https://github.com/NebulousLabs/Sia/tree/hardfork

We are expecting to merge the hardfork branch either tomorrow or Tuesday.

Anyone can teach me, how to compile this source code to sgminer? I'm noob   

[Tobo]

It is the time to do some media swarm, Sia fans! The below is the editors contact information of 4 main crypto media. All you need to do is to copy one or two paragraphs as the introduction part in your letters to those editors from the OP of the Sia thread  - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1060294.0 and copy two Sia links with your letters ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1060294.0 and http://www.siacoin.com/). That's all!

the 4 contacts:
http://www.coindesk.com/contact-us/
https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/tips-ccn/
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/contact/
http://cointelegraph.us3.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=2c088712615955cd2f82aa968&id=e86993e3e8

[dadingsda]

Just sent my Sianote. Hope i m not too late   

[provenceday]

it's a nice Project.

[robinson5]

I want to be as prepared as possible for launch on the 7th.  Can I gpu mine siacoins on my mac while also selling extra hard drive space I have on that same computer? If I want to sell more space is it as simple as just attaching an external hard drive to my mac and leaving it plugged in?  If there are any guides/instructions that would be great thanks!

[Voidcrafter]

Can i sell my storage if my computer is only online for about 12 hours a day?

What happens if the person storing my data goes offline, can i still acces it?

[mrnxtuser]

Can i sell my storage if my computer is only online for about 12 hours a day?

What happens if the person storing my data goes offline, can i still acces it?

There are always 4 copies of your file distributed across the network. If you go down, the other 3 are still up and it will recreate it again to replace yours.

[Taek]

I want to be as prepared as possible for launch on the 7th.  Can I gpu mine siacoins on my mac while also selling extra hard drive space I have on that same computer? If I want to sell more space is it as simple as just attaching an external hard drive to my mac and leaving it plugged in?  If there are any guides/instructions that would be great thanks!

Yes, you can gpu mine and sell storage at the same time from the same computer. This will give you two separate sources of income. We will be releasing a full set of instructions on June 6th.

Can i sell my storage if my computer is only online for about 12 hours a day?

What happens if the person storing my data goes offline, can i still acces it?

You can sell your storage for only 12 hours per day, though it will affect the amount of income that you can get. Your data is stored on many computers at the same time, if some or even most of them are offline, the data is still recoverable. You can still access your data.

There are always 4 copies of your file distributed across the network. If you go down, the other 3 are still up and it will recreate it again to replace yours.

Not quite correct, data is split into many pieces, and out of those pieces you only need to download a few of them to get all of the original data. The total number of pieces vs. the number of pieces required are parameters that will be continually adjusted as the Sia network matures - right now we need lots of redundancy because there are not many highly-reliable hosts. As more hosts join the network, the amount of required redundancy is likely to drop. We will be very careful with the numbers to make sure that files are never at risk.

[billotronic]

https://github.com/NebulousLabs/Sia-GPU-Miner

Here is the source code. As far as we are aware, it works on all cards that support open-cl. The mining will not work with the master branch of Sia until the 'hardfork' branch has been merged. The hardfork branch is here: https://github.com/NebulousLabs/Sia/tree/hardfork

We are expecting to merge the hardfork branch either tomorrow or Tuesday.

Anyone can teach me, how to compile this source code to sgminer? I'm noob   

Code:

git clone https://github.com/NebulousLabs/Sia-GPU-Miner
cd Sia-GPU-Miner
make

Assuming linux. if windoze then don't know

[Tobo]

What hardware do I need to mine with GPU assuming I have an Apple laptop?

[chrysophylax]

What hardware do I need to mine with GPU assuming I have an Apple laptop?

any gpu that supports opencl ... from what we can tell ...

we will be testing this miner soon ... on both nvidia and amd ...

we are hoping that it will be this week - but we are inundated with work at the moment ...

#crysx

[Taek]

Sorry that I'm a day late with this, but here are the siafund outputs that will be put into the genesis block:

note: 61 sianotes were unclaimed. The deadline has passed, and Nebulous now owns the corresponding siafunds. If you are holding unclaimed sianotes, send us a message and we can discuss. Your siafunds will not be allocated in the genesis block, though we can (with no legal obligation to do so) still send you the siafunds after the currency launches.

Code:

Nebulous Labs: 8841

0439e5bc7f14ccf5d3a7e882d040923e45625166dd077b64466bc771791ac6fc: 2
049e1d2a69772b058a48bebe65724ff3bdf8d0971ebbe994e1e91c9f13e84bf4: 6
080742fa194af76ca24fdc97cae4f10b828a0df8c1a788c5413feaaecdd847e6: 7
2c6aef338a66f213ccc5f8b2db7a98fb13143420af20049c4921a3a5deb8d9da: 8
2ca31fe94a673784e69f614e9593416ea4d369ad9e1dca2b55d9554b5325cddf: 3
33979254c7073b596face3c83e37a5fdeeba1c912f89c80f46c7bb7df368b3f0: 1
3576fde5fee51c83e99c6c3ac59811a04afc0b3170f04277286272fb0556e975: 10
38db03321c03a65f8da3ca233cc7db0a97b0e461b085bd21d3ca53c51fd0fec1: 50
44be8c5760e89620a1b1cc41e4df57d9865a1938332d486b810c1dca0607320d: 75
450ec9c85a49f52d9a5ea113c7f1cb380d3f05dc79f5f734c2b5fc4c82067224: 10
4880fdcfa930011aedcda966c4e02aba5f973be2cb88fbdfa526586e2fd579e0: 10
4882a4e3da1c3c0f3897d4f24d83e8832a3984ad717642b7264f60b2696c1af7: 50
4ad23ae46f45fd7835c36e1a734cd3cac79fcc0e4e5c0e83fa168dec9a2c2787: 10
55c69a29c474e272ca5ed6935754f7a4c34f3a7b1a214441744fb5f1f1d0d7b8: 15
57ef537d980e1316cb882ec0cb57e0be4dec7d128edf92461017fc1364455b6f: 121
5bc9650bbc28236fec851f7c61f68c888ff598ae6ff5bc7c157dbbc0cb5cfd39: 222
6ef0eead4e8ab98ab3e3879936842e3ee2cecc23ae6b9c0f8e025d84a33c3259: 10
723a932c404548b841b2d55e9d2c586a5c1f91c1d7c8d7e9637424c5a0464f99: 3
7b6ae565dcfc32cb26b78598faa7d29bfc66961dbb03b2350b918f21a673fa28: 1
7c65cfaf3277cf1a3e0ff78d96ae49f7ee1c4dffde68a6f47056e350d72d458f: 5
82b8480fe34fd9cd78fe43450a314cc2de1ef23e58b333751ba68c060716deb9: 10
8689c6ac60362d0a64805be1e2868f6c1f46bbe436d446e5953940a6997beeb4: 25
8ffd76e56db58de05b907ba0cbdd7768ac0d694dabb97a36e5a80682a082b697: 1
936cf91024f96cb8c4d4f178db3f2db8563560cf8260d2fb8809c1a083c6ddb9: 8
9b4f591c4547efc6f602c6fe5c3bc0cde59824ba6e7ae9dd4c8f03ee59e7c017: 58
9c204c69d52e42321b5538096ac15091136554b191047d1c4ffc2b53766ecef7: 2
9da98618fe163abc7757c9ee37a8c283581227a82502c6c25dca7492bd116c2c: 23
9e336824f2724310a8e6046ff148050eb666a99c90dc6775df083abb7c66502c: 10
a0af3b21df1e523c226e1ccbf95d0310da0cface8ae7554345bf44c6a0579a44: 1
a35e33dc0e9053703e0a00ada1ead3b0ba5409bdfa6f21e77257644b48d90b1a: 75
aa078a74cd1484c5a6fb4b5d45066df4d477ad72221219156fcbcbfd8a681b24: 3
ad788068ba56978cbf17e7c14df5f368c4379bf36f0f548b94bbad2f68458d27: 90
b3b9e4a68b5e0dc1ffe3ae6378696dddf7049bf3e5251a62de0c5b50df213d38: 20
c1316714aa87b65595129fc29878a2d0319edcbc724f01833e1b5639f42e4042: 5
c4472dde00150c79c5e065412839137770cda617025b4be7458fdd44f54b0734: 1
c4d6ecd3e3d8987fa402eb0eeb2e8ee753260783d01db3bd3e5881b4779ed661: 44
ce3a7294833157c55612d81a3e4f98af210484a06ce735c8304c7d5e9c552082: 23
c867877ec502cb3ff106f5c3dc661b4ae8f9c956cf22331ab497886c70388448: 80
c8f9f5da3afd4cfa587246ef0e02fa7b0ac0c63dbb9bf798a5aec6188e27b177: 2
d101c7b8ba39158921fcdbb8822620623ffcfa4f4692a94eb4a11d5d262dafb0: 1
d46be92bb98a4ffd0cedd611dbc6975c518111788b3a42777edc8488036c393a: 2
d6f492adad5021b91d854da7b90126176fb3689669a2781af53f727734012cde: 3
d9daac103586a0e22c8a5d35b53e04d1be1b005d6911a93d62918370793761b8: 1
dfa2ac3736c1258ec8d5e630ba91b8ce0fe1a713254626308757cd51bbedb5b4: 1
f12e8b29283f2fa983ad7cf6e4d5662c64d93eed859af845e40224ce2ffaf9aa: 1
f132e5d3422073f17557b4ef4cf60e8169b5996969cbe5ed1782c1aa64c92647: 50

Total: 10,000

Look for your address in this list and verify that you are receiving the correct number of siafunds. I have double checked this list and believe that everything is correct. If something is wrong, please contact us and we'll figure out where the mistake is and how to correct it.

These values will be finalized in just a few days.

[mrnxtuser]

confirmed mine is there

[Tobo]

CCN podcast on Siacoin has come out - https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/ccn-podcast-episode-6-siacoin-a-decentralized-cloud-storage-platform/

Nice job!

[pallas]

gpu miner says:

"curl did not receive enough bytes"

and quits.
looks like it gets a wrong getblock size.

[Taek]

gpu miner says:

"curl did not receive enough bytes"

and quits.
looks like it gets a wrong getblock size.

This is because the GPU miner only works with the development branch of Sia. You'll have to clone the Sia repo, build it yourself, and then run the GPU miner.