So you are saying that they site is cheating? Because of their seed can be manipulated? So hiw about their provably fair system? Is this really a bad idea to have one of them or even it is useless thing to have that? I know this site is pretty old enough and they never have this provably fair system questioned until this day that someone claimed that they are being cheayed because admin can manually change their seed. Please give us some proof here
If you know that they have something is not right? You should really post it here so everyone can know that they are being cheated through some knowledge or may be what I called this their skill(if it is true). But somehow no one really know that how they can work this out. Their site is pretty old site but why today this matter occur?
If you are trying to help the original poster to make their accusation then you should reveal everything here to make sure they read and trying to fix this
Nobody is claiming they are being cheated due to the house changing their seed (this is actually impossible due to our provably fair system which allows you to verify that the client seed is the same as that which was shown before you played - and the client can also actually change this to any number they like before playing), the statement is being made around the possibility of the house winning its own jackpot by using the fact that it knows the server seed to do so.
As cwil has previously stated this is, of course, a possibility with any casino. Unfortunately there's no way for any casino to prove that it hasn't done it, and no way for the user to prove that it has. Speaking for ourselves as the oldest operating Bitcoin casino we would never engage in cheating our players like that. It's underhanded, it's sly and in our minds it's entirely unforgivable. Our players keep a roof over our heads and food on our tables; the very least they deserve is our respect. There are thousands of happy players that win our jackpots that can attest to the fact that they have indeed won, if they feel like doing so of course. We'd be very happy to hear from them in this thread if they do.
I am not saying BVC is cheating. I am saying that any casino that has implemented any commonly known variation of what we call a provably fair system can make winning bets at any time.
Another person previously made the claim that BVC is winning it's own jackpot, but has offered no proof that this is true. While BVC responded to this allegation, they talked about how their provably fair implementation would prevent them from making their users lose bets. However, this other party does not seem to be accusing BVC of making the other party's bets lose, but rather the accusation is that BVC is using knowledge of the server seed for a BVC-owned account to win the jackpot, depriving others that have contributed to that jackpot a fair chance to win themselves. BVC has not responded to this yet and I believe this is because they did not understand the accusation.
That said, I have no proof to offer because I'm not making any accusations. I am simply clarifying the original accusation so that BVC can respond to it if they wish.
Again, thanks for focusing our response on the actual issue that the user was complaining about, cwil! You have also raised a very valid point in that a casino could indeed use its own knowledge of the server seed for a casino-owned account to win the jackpot if they chose to do so. I think the term 'false flag jackpots' would be quite a fitting term for that. This is something that the industry definitely should come together to discuss finding a solution to, and if you might have any ideas for making that area of online gambling more transparent we'd certainly love to hear them!
It's an unfortunate situation that there seems to be no way for a casino to prove that they do not engage in that kind of behavior. You can never prove that you have never done X, or that you don't have Y. The onus is always on those accusing someone of something to prove that those they are accusing did do X, or do have Y - if evidence exists that shows this then it is possible to find (perhaps not easily, but it is possible to find if it exists), whereas it is not possible to prove something that doesn't exist. That sounds a little convoluted (and I could definitely do with some more coffee to wake my brain up!) but basically it is impossible for us to prove that we do not engage in that behavior.
All we can really do at this current point in time is ask that our players put their trust in the reputation we have built up over the years. We feel that we've earned our trustworthy reputation, and we stake absolutely everything on it.
...BUT case in point, just to clarify... you said "You must have 7-7-7" so does that mean ONLY in one-single hand of play's grouping?
So IF I had SPLIT here (as is correct, for basic strategy play) and had gotten another 7-Diamond on the first hand's split, are you saying it would not have qualified for the progressive win??
OR in another instance -- suppose the player STANDS on his "14" instead (two sevens = 14) against the dealer 4 ("bust card") but then the dealer's hit card drawn out of the shoe, happens to be another Seven of Diamonds...?? In THAT case would it *also* have disqualified the 777 jackpot trigger?
SO... again... JUST TO BE CLEAR... are you saying that for your casino, in some instances for this jackpot to qualify, that the player MUST ACTUALLY CHOOSE TO PLAY THEIR HAND INCORRECTLY???
(Notice that in my screenshot above, actually, since I had not yet heard a reply back from you on this question, I decided to play it safe and actually I did just "HIT" my sevens, so I'd have the 777 all together... in case it was coming. But YES technically that was an approx $14 bet, that I played WRONG, and so LOST it... just in particular because of your casino's rules.)
This just seems a little bit "off" to me, IF this situation is indeed the case.
A casino that's requiring a player to "play wrong" in order to win...? Hmm.... seriously?
The jackpot function just checks all cards that don't belong to the dealer, so as mentioned by cwil "both splitting and hitting will win the jackpot if the next dealt card is a 7d after being dealt 7d7d." Sincerest apologies if I was unclear on this previously!
I'll preface this by saying normally these guys are great. Support is definitely slower than before, but they have been good to me.
I emailed a couple times with similar 777 questions but no reply.
Whether you participate or not, you contribute to the bonus (which blows). The minimum they could do would be to take a few hours and properly spell out the rules for the bonus games.
Keyjockey, if you had split the 77, and the next card dealt was a 7, you would have won (I'm pretty sure anyway).
Apologies for the slower support of late, we always try to provide a response by email within 8 - 12 hours max. but occasionally this timeframe does slip which isn't ideal; that being said quick support will return very soon as we're implementing some team changes.
P.S. BTW I am still not sure what's the +EV point for the jackpot on this game. My reading of what Wizard of Odds has said about it (link above) seems to indicate that the progressive flips over to +EV somewhere around either 2.3 BTC or maybe it's 9.8 BTC. But that's with 6 Decks I think, whereas BVC is simulating 8 Decks... so maybe it's still MORE than 9.8 BTC before it's actually positive Expected Value...?
But 13 BTC is still pretty good... anyone know what this 777 Diamond jackpot has ever reached as it's MAXIMUM in the past, on this site?
Admin, can you tell us that much, at least... if this 13 BTC is a "record" for your game yet or whatever it's gotten to in the past?
13 BTC isn't at all a record for our Lucky 7's Blackjack, the jackpot has frequently been much larger than 13 BTC but as you can imagine the jackpot size tends to be relative to the value of BTC; people usually spend more in BTC terms when its fiat value is lower, and less when it's higher. I can't recall jackpot figures on Blackjack but no, 13 BTC isn't a record for the Blackjack jackpot.
If any of you have any more questions about anything please do let me know and I'll try clear it up as best I can. And as always if there are any issues that you need to contact us directly for please do feel free to email us at
admin@bitcoinvideocasino.com.
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