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June 01, 2017, 12:14:37 PM
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The study puts forth a new theoretical model: Religion provides a set of rules and beliefs guiding behavior, while spirituality offers methods for managing emotions internally and regulating the experience and expression of those emotions.

Religion helps followers engage in healthier lifestyle practices on a daily basis. Religious people tend to drink less alcohol, smoke less, and have healthier habits overall. Spirituality helps followers examine their feelings and mindfully witness their own fleeting emotions. Ultimately it helps us have a calmer outlook, lower blood pressure, and a more even-handed approach to dealing with life’s stresses.
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The study puts forth a new theoretical model: Religion provides a set of rules and beliefs guiding behavior, while spirituality offers methods for managing emotions internally and regulating the experience and expression of those emotions.

Religion helps followers engage in healthier lifestyle practices on a daily basis. Religious people tend to drink less alcohol, smoke less, and have healthier habits overall. Spirituality helps followers examine their feelings and mindfully witness their own fleeting emotions. Ultimately it helps us have a calmer outlook, lower blood pressure, and a more even-handed approach to dealing with life’s stresses.

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Yes, I think that is part of reason why Jesus life and death resonates with so many. He saved people from damnation - and slavery by corrupt clergy regardless if it cost him his life and even regardless, if the freed commoners saw his sacrifice for what it was: Selfless act of love. The kind that is at best of times shown by parents to their children.

Christianity played huge role in knightly culture that developed in the west later on. For the first time in history, people felt, that they can be both just, protective and selfless, yet fierce warriors. Life and death of Christ humanized warrior culture and gave it meaning.




Nice picture, so romantic... the knight in armor is the protector, the savior, the hero. The woman look up to this Godly warrior as her savior - you can see the gratefulness on her face, her God saved her (by killing a few, or few hundred or even a few thousand human beings, not much different than the woman herself). No wonder God is a "he" a male figure. Poor females, they will have to bow the knee to their manly Gods. GOD be with them the day their heros aren't in such a good mood and want to take it out on his loyal subject(s).



You need to judge a system in comparison to the system it replaced not by the moral standards of a thousand years later. Chivalry emphasized bravery, military skill, generosity in victory, piety, and courtesy to women.

It was a tremendous improvement over the ethics of prior eras and a powerful testament to the civilizing power of ethical monotheism and Christianity.

This is the prior "ideal" it replaced. The veneration of the conquering alpha warrior.




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Yes, I think that is part of reason why Jesus life and death resonates with so many. He saved people from damnation - and slavery by corrupt clergy regardless if it cost him his life and even regardless, if the freed commoners saw his sacrifice for what it was: Selfless act of love. The kind that is at best of times shown by parents to their children.

Christianity played huge role in knightly culture that developed in the west later on. For the first time in history, people felt, that they can be both just, protective and selfless, yet fierce warriors. Life and death of Christ humanized warrior culture and gave it meaning.




Nice picture, so romantic... the knight in armor is the protector, the savior, the hero. The woman look up to this Godly warrior as her savior - you can see the gratefulness on her face, her God saved her (by killing a few, or few hundred or even a few thousand human beings, not much different than the woman herself). No wonder God is a "he" a male figure. Poor females, they will have to bow the knee to their manly Gods. GOD be with them the day their heros aren't in such a good mood and want to take it out on his loyal subject(s).



You need to judge a system in comparison to the system it replaced not by the moral standards of a thousand years later. Chivalry emphasized bravery, military skill, generosity in victory, piety, and courtesy to women.

It was a tremendous improvement over the ethics of prior eras and a powerful testament to the civilizing power of ethical monotheism and Christianity.

This is the prior "ideal" it replaced. The veneration of the conquering alpha warrior.




Poor dippididodaday. Hasn't figured out that all people die, yet. Wants to blame the inner destructive qualities of mankind on God. So blind that he can't see that God is simply manipulating some of man's own destructive qualities to save some people from themselves... for eternal salvation.

So we see that it is essentially people like dippididodaday who promote destruction. But I will give him this. He may not know that he is doing what he is doing. But, don't count on it.

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Yes, I think that is part of reason why Jesus life and death resonates with so many. He saved people from damnation - and slavery by corrupt clergy regardless if it cost him his life and even regardless, if the freed commoners saw his sacrifice for what it was: Selfless act of love. The kind that is at best of times shown by parents to their children.

Christianity played huge role in knightly culture that developed in the west later on. For the first time in history, people felt, that they can be both just, protective and selfless, yet fierce warriors. Life and death of Christ humanized warrior culture and gave it meaning.




Nice picture, so romantic... the knight in armor is the protector, the savior, the hero. The woman look up to this Godly warrior as her savior - you can see the gratefulness on her face, her God saved her (by killing a few, or few hundred or even a few thousand human beings, not much different than the woman herself). No wonder God is a "he" a male figure. Poor females, they will have to bow the knee to their manly Gods. GOD be with them the day their heros aren't in such a good mood and want to take it out on his loyal subject(s).



You need to judge a system in comparison to the system it replaced not by the moral standards of a thousand years later. Chivalry emphasized bravery, military skill, generosity in victory, piety, and courtesy to women.

It was a tremendous improvement over the ethics of prior eras and a powerful testament to the civilizing power of ethical monotheism and Christianity.

This is the prior "ideal" it replaced. The veneration of the conquering alpha warrior.




Poor dippididodaday. Hasn't figured out that all people die, yet. Wants to blame the inner destructive qualities of mankind on God. So blind that he can't see that God is simply manipulating some of man's own destructive qualities to save some people from themselves... for eternal salvation.

So we see that it is essentially people like dippididodaday who promote destruction. But I will give him this. He may not know that he is doing what he is doing. But, don't count on it.

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You still don't get it. God has nothing to do with the killings. It is people who do all the bad stuff because of their religion.  Religious ideology is making otherwise normal people do some pretty insane things.

Religious ideas make people insane.

You still don't get it, do you. God has something to do with everything.

However, you are right about people. They do what they do because of their personal religion.

It is even your religious ideology that keeps you thinking that God doesn't exist.

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June 02, 2017, 02:54:59 PM
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Yes, I think that is part of reason why Jesus life and death resonates with so many. He saved people from damnation - and slavery by corrupt clergy regardless if it cost him his life and even regardless, if the freed commoners saw his sacrifice for what it was: Selfless act of love. The kind that is at best of times shown by parents to their children.

Christianity played huge role in knightly culture that developed in the west later on. For the first time in history, people felt, that they can be both just, protective and selfless, yet fierce warriors. Life and death of Christ humanized warrior culture and gave it meaning.




Nice picture, so romantic... the knight in armor is the protector, the savior, the hero. The woman look up to this Godly warrior as her savior - you can see the gratefulness on her face, her God saved her (by killing a few, or few hundred or even a few thousand human beings, not much different than the woman herself). No wonder God is a "he" a male figure. Poor females, they will have to bow the knee to their manly Gods. GOD be with them the day their heros aren't in such a good mood and want to take it out on his loyal subject(s).



You need to judge a system in comparison to the system it replaced not by the moral standards of a thousand years later. Chivalry emphasized bravery, military skill, generosity in victory, piety, and courtesy to women.

It was a tremendous improvement over the ethics of prior eras and a powerful testament to the civilizing power of ethical monotheism and Christianity.

This is the prior "ideal" it replaced. The veneration of the conquering alpha warrior.




Poor dippididodaday. Hasn't figured out that all people die, yet. Wants to blame the inner destructive qualities of mankind on God. So blind that he can't see that God is simply manipulating some of man's own destructive qualities to save some people from themselves... for eternal salvation.

So we see that it is essentially people like dippididodaday who promote destruction. But I will give him this. He may not know that he is doing what he is doing. But, don't count on it.

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You still don't get it. God has nothing to do with the killings. It is people who do all the bad stuff because of their religion.  Religious ideology is making otherwise normal people do some pretty insane things.

Religious ideas make people insane.

You still don't get it, do you. God has something to do with everything.

However, you are right about people. They do what they do because of their personal religion.

It is even your religious ideology that keeps you thinking that God doesn't exist.

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It does not matter what I think or what you think.  What matters is who gets killed because of the religion.
Harm the religious thinking causes is real.  Currently, Islamism and Jihadism kills people as we type these messages.

BTW, I do not play your 'game'.  I think only you think that 'not playing a sport' is a 'sport'.

Atheism is a religion like abstinence is a sexual position.


According to the dictionary, religion is, among other things, "... something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience."

If you want to change the meaning of religion, go ahead. But if you want to be honest about it, explain your definition.

If you are talking about the religions that are organized as religions, say it. Others will want to use the dictionary definition, since the dictionary definition is generally what is accepted without special meanings being given.

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June 02, 2017, 03:58:53 PM
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Religion infects people minds. Religious people can't think for themselves most of the times. For example when there was a huge debate about gay rights and gay marriage, a lot of religious people opposed to them ONLY because it was what their religion dictated. NOT because they thought about it and determined it was bad, they didn't even think for themselves and chose to blindly obey what an old book told them.

Same thing happens with abortion and I am personally against abortion but again most religious people are against abortion just because of their religion NOT because they studied the issue. This keeps happening and will keep happening because these people can't critically think (Note: not every religious person is like this but a lot are)
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June 02, 2017, 10:25:55 PM
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According to the dictionary, religion is, among other things, "... something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience."

If you want to change the meaning of religion, go ahead. But if you want to be honest about it, explain your definition.

If you are talking about the religions that are organized as religions, say it. Others will want to use the dictionary definition, since the dictionary definition is generally what is accepted without special meanings being given.

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Why you need to resort to the double talk?  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion

FYI,

"Religion is any cultural system of designated behaviors and practices, world views, texts, sanctified places, ethics, or organizations, that relate humanity to the supernatural or transcendental."


religion
[ri-lij-uh n]

noun

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:
a world council of religions.

4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:
to enter religion.

5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

7. religions, Archaic. religious rites:
painted priests performing religions deep into the night.

8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion:
a religion to one's vow.


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June 02, 2017, 11:14:19 PM
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According to the dictionary, religion is, among other things, "... something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience."

If you want to change the meaning of religion, go ahead. But if you want to be honest about it, explain your definition.

If you are talking about the religions that are organized as religions, say it. Others will want to use the dictionary definition, since the dictionary definition is generally what is accepted without special meanings being given.

Cool

Why you need to resort to the double talk?  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion

FYI,

"Religion is any cultural system of designated behaviors and practices, world views, texts, sanctified places, ethics, or organizations, that relate humanity to the supernatural or transcendental."


religion
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noun

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:
a world council of religions.

4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:
to enter religion.

5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

7. religions, Archaic. religious rites:
painted priests performing religions deep into the night.

8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion:
a religion to one's vow.


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You religiotards have your own dictionary.com to redefine everything.  How sad?

Try this

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/religion



A partial from the Oxford Living Dictionaries:
1.2 A pursuit or interest followed with great devotion.
‘consumerism is the new religion’
    More example sentences  
    ‘The consequent pursuit of thinness had become a new religion, she said, and she showed a range of advertisements to support her claims.’
    ‘It's the backdrop because football is considered a religion worldwide and the most viewed game.’
    ‘We've been told time and again that cricket is a religion in India.’
    ‘The pursuit of eating raw food has become a religion of the nuttier kind.’
    ‘This brings up another point: hockey in the BCHL ceases to be a religion and becomes secondary to education.’
    ‘It serves only one master - corporate greed - that is their religion and their power.’
    ‘Online marketers realize that return on investment is the religion they need to follow.’
    ‘In this city where rugby is a religion, there is the feeling that Moses has led them to the mountaintop.’


This is a really good dictionary. Thanks for your help.


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June 03, 2017, 06:35:05 AM
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"Everything happens for a reason"; what reason is given by the atheist for "everything"?
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According to the dictionary, religion is, among other things, "... something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience."

If you want to change the meaning of religion, go ahead. But if you want to be honest about it, explain your definition.

If you are talking about the religions that are organized as religions, say it. Others will want to use the dictionary definition, since the dictionary definition is generally what is accepted without special meanings being given.

Cool

Why you need to resort to the double talk?  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion

FYI,

"Religion is any cultural system of designated behaviors and practices, world views, texts, sanctified places, ethics, or organizations, that relate humanity to the supernatural or transcendental."


religion
[ri-lij-uh n]

noun

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:
a world council of religions.

4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:
to enter religion.

5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

7. religions, Archaic. religious rites:
painted priests performing religions deep into the night.

8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion:
a religion to one's vow.


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You religiotards have your own dictionary.com to redefine everything.  How sad?

Try this

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/religion



A partial from the Oxford Living Dictionaries:
1.2 A pursuit or interest followed with great devotion.
‘consumerism is the new religion’
    More example sentences  
    ‘The consequent pursuit of thinness had become a new religion, she said, and she showed a range of advertisements to support her claims.’
    ‘It's the backdrop because football is considered a religion worldwide and the most viewed game.’
    ‘We've been told time and again that cricket is a religion in India.’
    ‘The pursuit of eating raw food has become a religion of the nuttier kind.’
    ‘This brings up another point: hockey in the BCHL ceases to be a religion and becomes secondary to education.’
    ‘It serves only one master - corporate greed - that is their religion and their power.’
    ‘Online marketers realize that return on investment is the religion they need to follow.’
    ‘In this city where rugby is a religion, there is the feeling that Moses has led them to the mountaintop.’


This is a really good dictionary. Thanks for your help.


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Even if you apply this colloquial use of the word, it will still not work with Atheism.  Atheists do not do anything 'religiously'.

If you want to use word religion to mean any activity that is performed repeatedly with dedication, sure, even us posting on this forum can be called 'bitcontalk' religion.

Heck, bitcoin hobby can be called religion as well.

If you ask anyone on the street what is religion, most people would say it is believing in God/supernatural.


In your case, in this forum, one of the most religious things you do is to promote non-religion. You are fanatically religious about this, to the point, almost, of being a zealot.

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June 03, 2017, 09:16:38 AM
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"Everything happens for a reason"; what reason is given by the atheist for "everything"?

Same question that I have. af_newbie seems to be dedicated to his religion of non-religion.

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Is it true that Man is a primarily religious being?
http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2017/06/is-it-true-that-man-is-primarily.html
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The literal insanity of mainstream public discourse, and the lack of insight of this fact, suggests that Man without religion is non-viable.

To put matters another way - religion is the most important thing in the human world.  

Of course, a few individuals, in the short term, can survive atheism mentally intact; but there is no evidence at all that this is a possibility for human societies over more than a few decades - then the signs of insanity (incoherence, exitinction) become more-and-more obvious... or they would do so if loss of insight was not itself a prime sign of insanity.

So insanity shields us from knowledge of our own insanity, because insanity destroys insight as much as it destroys judgement - it affects the whole mode of thinking.

How, then, do we know we, as a society, are insane?

1. By applying older judgements, from the time before Men became insane - reading old books, talking to non-modern people...

2. By looking at the basic biological viability of atheist societies in terms of reproduction, demographics, response to direct and immediate threats, scale of priorities ... Compare societies and groups that are biologically viable, with the modern atheist societies that are not...

3. By reflecting on how we feel about Life. Insane people are almost always miserable - dysphoric, despairing, desperate... almost all of the time. Even the euphoric frenzy of mania is brittle, and crashes into suicidal self-destruction with a high frequency. Is there hope?

In conclusion - religion is the most important thing.

Religion is necessary for long term motivation, for social coherence, for purpose, and to enable the individual to be a part of the whole.

Since religion is necessary, if or when humans either dispense with religion or else place it anything lower than first in priority; then they as individuals and their societies will begin to fall apart and spiral towards alienation, purposelessness, inability to perceive or reason what is important, cowardice (i.e. short-term selfishness), desperation and all the rest of it.

Modernity is the experiment of Man living without Religion. The experiment has been running for several generations.

But the experiment of modernity has deprived modern people of the motivation, honesty and ability to evaluate the results of the experiment - by the always changing criteria of modernity, modernity sees no alternative to itself...

Conclusion: Religion is objectively necessary; and, by one kind of reasoning, therefore true. If you are not religious you are living in error. If you are not religious then you need to become religious. The question you must settle is not whether you should be religious, but which religion you will adopt.

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June 07, 2017, 11:37:39 PM
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Religion is poison. They are reasoned by books that have no evidence or witness. and i don't know if there are any cure

That is your point of view but you cannot also blame the bond that a certain religion can provide to  its people . true religion In my opinion we can consider our soul as healthy but of course it does not apply to everyone
True religion cannot be. Any religion based on lies. How a lie can promote good? A lie is always aimed at achieving the goal. Many religious leaders have a good education and may not be aware of the fact that there is no God. They do, however, cheating people of their profession. Religion is a poison.

There is actually a saying that goes if you wanted to become rich then you shoukd build your own religion and i guess that this is really happening. I am not so sure tho about their motives but i  usually do not trust leaders

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June 12, 2017, 11:47:15 AM
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there is a correlation between health and religion, religion suggests us the disciplinary way to lead a life. if you will follow the rules and regulation then you become physically fit, any prohibition from the religion is bad for health, so follow the religious rules and keep yourself mentally and physically fit...
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Why do we (you and I) live in this spiritual desert?
http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2017/06/why-do-we-you-and-i-live-in-this.html?m=1
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Since nothing is random or uncaused, and God is our loving Father; and since this modern world is a spiritual desert - then why are we here-and-now?

Why were we placed here, why - perhaps - did we choose to be placed here and at this most unspiritual and antireligious of times?

What possible spiritual benefit can a modern life bring us?

The answer, in a nutshell is: Living here and now compels us to reach inward to our true, divine self; because other (past) sources of Christian guidance are (for nearly all of the people in the world) either absent or corrupted.

We must become active agents, we must become spiritually - Christianly - autonomous to a degree not seen before.

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Our faith tells us that God would not allow any of his beloved children to be placed in this era and situation unless there was a very good reason: something of which we, personally, have great need.

Yet this situation is one in which the Christian religion is absent (from many parts of the world), or essentially abandoned and corrupted (in the developed nations). All the usual sources of guidance are tainted - tradition, scripture, hierarchical authority, philosophy... all are much more likely to do us harm than good if we go to what is most available and accept it uncritically.

We can get nowhere without discernment. 

Therefore spiritual passivity is - for us, here and now - ruled-out.

When the human aspects are all tainted or unobvious, then a policy of subordination and obedience are much more likely to do us harm than good; because we would probably be serving the Enemy rather than God.

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In modernity we are brought to a state of utter isolation of our selves, and a loss of confidence in the reality of the world and of that self which is all we can experience. And our self and the world is dead, inert, passive and perceived as unliving - an accident, merely an illusion or delusion of our own limitations. We cannot perceive God, Jesus, angels; and even other people are merely shadowy entities justified only be the comfort or pleasures they provide.

We have so decisively lost the ability to know the external environment, that we regard it as a product of our minds; yet our minds are (in mainstream understanding) merely temporary, contingent, arbitrary collections of brain circuits - unreliable, prone to malfunction and doomed to extinction.

This is the state of nihilism when nothing is really-real and despair is inevitable and ineradicable.

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So why are we here and now?

When there is no reliable external guidance, we must look within: and must means must, because there is no alternative.

Our Loving Father, the Creator would not have placed us here unless we had the resources to attain salvation and to make steps towards theosis (becoming more divine).

Since these resources are not to be found outside us, then everything we need must be found within -  and by invisible, spiritual means of communication.

Specificially, what we need to begin is found within, and everything else follows as consequnces.

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We must look within to find and feel our internal spiritual compass - that which is divine and eternal within each of us; that in us which is a child of God (still merely a child, but certainly that!).

Once we have located that inner reality; then - and only then - we can look outside; look (that is) not by our senses but directly to the world of spirit: open our real selves to to direct knowing and personal revelation from God, and the personal friendship of Jesus Christ.

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That is why you and I are here and now; because what we personally most need, is to learn to find God within us.

Modernity is, indeed, a harsh spiritual lesson - but presumably that was the only kind of lesson that you and I were capable of learning.

(Earlier people in earlier generations, or people in different parts of the world, have other things that they need to learn . I am here talking about a reason why living in The West, the developed nations - is the best realistically-possible thing for some people; people such as you and me.) 

And of course this is a lesson each and every one of us absolutely needs to learn if we are ever to develop from the passive state of being immature, externally-driven, dependent-children of God into what he hope for us to become: active, agent, autonomous grown-up 'friends' of God (and ultimately perhaps spiritual parents in our own right); at a level where we can fully participate - Son or Daughter of God - in the great and endless divine work of love and creation.

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Yes, I think that is part of reason why Jesus life and death resonates with so many. He saved people from damnation - and slavery by corrupt clergy regardless if it cost him his life and even regardless, if the freed commoners saw his sacrifice for what it was: Selfless act of love. The kind that is at best of times shown by parents to their children.

Christianity played huge role in knightly culture that developed in the west later on. For the first time in history, people felt, that they can be both just, protective and selfless, yet fierce warriors. Life and death of Christ humanized warrior culture and gave it meaning.




Nice picture, so romantic... the knight in armor is the protector, the savior, the hero. The woman look up to this Godly warrior as her savior - you can see the gratefulness on her face, her God saved her (by killing a few, or few hundred or even a few thousand human beings, not much different than the woman herself). No wonder God is a "he" a male figure. Poor females, they will have to bow the knee to their manly Gods. GOD be with them the day their heros aren't in such a good mood and want to take it out on his loyal subject(s).



You need to judge a system in comparison to the system it replaced not by the moral standards of a thousand years later. Chivalry emphasized bravery, military skill, generosity in victory, piety, and courtesy to women.

It was a tremendous improvement over the ethics of prior eras and a powerful testament to the civilizing power of ethical monotheism and Christianity.

This is the prior "ideal" it replaced. The veneration of the conquering alpha warrior.




Poor dippididodaday. Hasn't figured out that all people die, yet. Wants to blame the inner destructive qualities of mankind on God. So blind that he can't see that God is simply manipulating some of man's own destructive qualities to save some people from themselves... for eternal salvation.

So we see that it is essentially people like dippididodaday who promote destruction. But I will give him this. He may not know that he is doing what he is doing. But, don't count on it.

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You still don't get it. God has nothing to do with the killings. It is people who do all the bad stuff because of their religion.  Religious ideology is making otherwise normal people do some pretty insane things.

Religious ideas make people insane.

You still don't get it, do you. God has something to do with everything.

However, you are right about people. They do what they do because of their personal religion.

It is even your religious ideology that keeps you thinking that God doesn't exist.

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It does not matter what I think or what you think.  What matters is who gets killed because of the religion.
Harm the religious thinking causes is real.  Currently, Islamism and Jihadism kills people as we type these messages.

BTW, I do not play your 'game'.  I think only you think that 'not playing a sport' is a 'sport'.

Atheism is a religion like abstinence is a sexual position.


According to the dictionary, religion is, among other things, "... something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience."

If you want to change the meaning of religion, go ahead. But if you want to be honest about it, explain your definition.

If you are talking about the religions that are organized as religions, say it. Others will want to use the dictionary definition, since the dictionary definition is generally what is accepted without special meanings being given.

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BADecker,

our "atheist" friends here seem to be stressed, that knights as idealists replaced enslavers and misogynists, that they for some reason mistake for alpha males.

Alpha males protect their loved ones and dont treat them like property.

Perhaps these "atheists" should instead find enjoyment in Islam as it caters to their dark, controlling needs.
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The Morality Crisis | Dennis Prager and Stefan Molyneux

What happens to morality with a decrease in religiosity and a rise in secularism? Dennis Prager joins Stefan Molyneux to discuss the recent Prager University video "If There Is No God, Murder Isn't Wrong," the moral values communicated through religion, the fall of free will in the face of secular determinism, the difference between charity and the forces retribution of wealth and the future of the western experiment.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uZpjdHTWsfM

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The Morality Crisis | Dennis Prager and Stefan Molyneux

What happens to morality with a decrease in religiosity and a rise in secularism? Dennis Prager joins Stefan Molyneux to discuss the recent Prager University video "If There Is No God, Murder Isn't Wrong," the moral values communicated through religion, the fall of free will in the face of secular determinism, the difference between charity and the forces retribution of wealth and the future of the western experiment.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uZpjdHTWsfM

These persons who were all finishes whatever degree in college and considered theirselves to be geniouses have always something to say about morality and about religion.  If it feels like it is wrong, due to our free will, then I think it is wrong.  That is the reason why persons have that conciousness a guilt feeling  something we called conscience.
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The Morality Crisis | Dennis Prager and Stefan Molyneux

What happens to morality with a decrease in religiosity and a rise in secularism? Dennis Prager joins Stefan Molyneux to discuss the recent Prager University video "If There Is No God, Murder Isn't Wrong," the moral values communicated through religion, the fall of free will in the face of secular determinism, the difference between charity and the forces retribution of wealth and the future of the western experiment.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uZpjdHTWsfM

Thank you so much, man. I had no idea, that Prager and Molyneux know each other. It is treat to watch them together.

The Morality Crisis | Dennis Prager and Stefan Molyneux

What happens to morality with a decrease in religiosity and a rise in secularism? Dennis Prager joins Stefan Molyneux to discuss the recent Prager University video "If There Is No God, Murder Isn't Wrong," the moral values communicated through religion, the fall of free will in the face of secular determinism, the difference between charity and the forces retribution of wealth and the future of the western experiment.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uZpjdHTWsfM

These persons who were all finishes whatever degree in college and considered theirselves to be geniouses have always something to say about morality and about religion.  If it feels like it is wrong, due to our free will, then I think it is wrong.  That is the reason why persons have that conciousness a guilt feeling  something we called conscience.

Perhaps you meant "people", not "persons". The two in question can back their claims by numbers and when we talk about future of society - western society, hard cold numbers are more important than your personal feelings about people, who publish those numbers.
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