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We are used to everything. It must be Proven. It's like here on the forum already say that little Earth is flat, and half of the members of the community believe in it. But at the same time, no one presents any evidence with the help of one science. Why, then, need to prove the help of science in the existence of God. Religion and Science are two different things.
Yes religion is belief in something without evidence or good reason, science on the other hand presents evidence. Science works, religion doesn't. When you are sick you go to a hospital or do you pray? There are people that actually go to pray. In some cases it works. Especially if it is some mental problem. |
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We are used to everything. It must be Proven. It's like here on the forum already say that little Earth is flat, and half of the members of the community believe in it. But at the same time, no one presents any evidence with the help of one science. Why, then, need to prove the help of science in the existence of God. Religion and Science are two different things.
Yes religion is belief in something without evidence or good reason, science on the other hand presents evidence. Science works, religion doesn't. When you are sick you go to a hospital or do you pray? "Every visible thing depends on an invisible root, as empiricism depends on metaphysics, as logic depends on common sense, as legal rights depend on truths we hold to be self-evident. Every rational principle depends on a deeper sacred principle not open to reason to discuss. " For a in depth discussion of this point I would refer you both to this excellent essay on this topic. Convince me Logic is Useful http://www.scifiwright.com/2006/09/convince-me-logic-is-useful/ |
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Science is too backward to understand God.
You speak as if you had seen God and knew where exactly God is. Has many years and to this day does not have at least a single person who says that he saw and talked with God How do you expect people to believe in God? Why is it so difficult for God to show Himself that God really exists?
No reason for god, angels and heaven remain hiddenHere is one reason why God angels and heaven may choose not to impose truth upon us.  Why Doesn't God Show Himself Anymorehttp://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/712708/jewish/Why-Doesnt-Gd-Show-Himself-Anymore.htmQuestion
I have often wondered, and still wonder, when did G‑d stop talking to us or interacting with us, and why? I think of this often, but especially in relation to the destruction of the temples which He wanted us to build as a home for Him on earth. They were not just structures. We built them because He commanded us to build them, not as just another structure, but as a home for Him on earth!
Why then, while many times before He intervened powerfully in many seemingly less important aspects of our lives, yet when the temples were being destroyed, He remained silent. And He still remains silent. Can you tell me why?
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The question is one that has bothered Jews since the time we were exiled in Egypt. Even Moses then agonized over the hidden face of G‑d, asking, "Why have you done evil to this people? Why have you sent me?"
Concerning the destruction of the first Temple, here is the passage from the Talmud(Yoma 69b):
Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi said: Why were they called Men of the Great Assembly? Because they returned the crown to its original place.
For Moshe declared, "the great, mighty and awesome G‑d."
Along came Jeremiah and said, "Foreigners are dancing in His Temple! Where is His awesomeness?" So he would not call G‑d awesome.
Along came Daniel and said, "Foreigners are oppressing His children! Where is His might?" So he would not call G‑d mighty.
Then they came along and said, "On the contrary, this is the might of His mightiness, that He conquers His desire, for He shows patience to the wicked. And this is His awesomeness, for if not for the awe of the Holy One, blessed be He, how is it possible that a nation is able to endure while absorbed among the nations?"
[And so they instituted that we should say, "the great, mighty and awesome G‑d" in our silent prayer.]
This week, I am teaching my five year old to ride a bike. Right now, she can ride with training wheels, and even then she falls once in a while. I could chase after her and ensure that she would never fall. And I could leave the training wheels on forever. But that is not the purpose. I want her to be able to ride off into the blue, without me. That is what being a father is all about.
G‑d is great because He gives us a world and tells us to fix it. He could have given us a happy, care-bear world and just enjoined us to have fun. But that would not be true kindness and He would not be a father. It would not be our world; it would be nothing more than a playpen we were tossed into. We would have no meaning, and life no value.
So instead, He brought us here, gave us basic directions, held on to us for a while, sending us Moses and the prophets and then the sages, and then eventually, took off the training wheels and let us go.
Nevertheless, in His apparent absence, He is with us more than ever. It's hard to write, because there is so much contradiction, but even in the midst of the most unimaginable horrors, His holy hand could still be seen in miracles. The Rebbe gives as an example the perplexing German loss of the crucial Battle of El Alamein—which saved Palestine from a Nazi purge. There are countless more examples. Yitta Halberstam and Judith Leventhal have just recently published their "Small Miracles of the Holocaust," and the stories are authentic, vivid and haunting. "What a strange G‑d," it makes us think, "that He is there and not there at once."
In our own lives, He remains silent only when we do not know how to listen. If you are waiting for a booming voice from the sky to answer your prayers, you may be like the child who is riding her bike into a wall and waiting for her father to catch and stop her. But if you will look into your own mind and heart which G‑d has given you and the signposts He places all around you, there, if you seek with sincerity, you will surely hear His voice loud and clear—and find the brakes right on time.
In truth, in His absence He and His kindness towards us is found even more than in His presence. That is His greatness and that is His awesomeness.
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July 04, 2017, 02:13:37 AM |
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Science is too backward to understand God.
You speak as if you had seen God and knew where exactly God is. Has many years and to this day does not have at least a single person who says that he saw and talked with God How do you expect people to believe in God? Why is it so difficult for God to show Himself that God really exists? No reason for god, angels and heaven remain hidden EXACTLY!  God must do something in order for all people to believe in him. Miracles and Bibles are not enough for all people to believe in God. I think we really need to see God, and God should talk to all people. |
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Science is too backward to understand God.
You speak as if you had seen God and knew where exactly God is. Has many years and to this day does not have at least a single person who says that he saw and talked with God How do you expect people to believe in God? Why is it so difficult for God to show Himself that God really exists? No reason for god, angels and heaven remain hidden EXACTLY! God must do something in order for all people to believe in him. Miracles and Bibles are not enough for all people to believe in God. I think we really need to see God, and God should talk to all people. Don't you ever go outside and look at nature? How much more does God have to show you before you will understand that He exists?  |
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Science is too backward to understand God.
You speak as if you had seen God and knew where exactly God is. Has many years and to this day does not have at least a single person who says that he saw and talked with God How do you expect people to believe in God? Why is it so difficult for God to show Himself that God really exists? No reason for god, angels and heaven remain hidden EXACTLY! God must do something in order for all people to believe in him. Miracles and Bibles are not enough for all people to believe in God. I think we really need to see God, and God should talk to all people. Don't you ever go outside and look at nature? How much more does God have to show you before you will understand that He exists? If God wanted us to know he exists, he would know exactly what to do. Yet he chooses to not do it and then punish people for it. I don't really understand how anyone thinks that makes sense, oh well, religiotards  |
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Science is too backward to understand God.
You speak as if you had seen God and knew where exactly God is. Has many years and to this day does not have at least a single person who says that he saw and talked with God How do you expect people to believe in God? Why is it so difficult for God to show Himself that God really exists? No reason for god, angels and heaven remain hidden EXACTLY! God must do something in order for all people to believe in him. Miracles and Bibles are not enough for all people to believe in God. I think we really need to see God, and God should talk to all people. Don't you ever go outside and look at nature? How much more does God have to show you before you will understand that He exists? If God wanted us to know he exists, he would know exactly what to do. Yet he chooses to not do it and then punish people for it. I don't really understand how anyone thinks that makes sense, oh well, religiotards He will not show up just for us to believe Him. He is God. We are nothing to Him. Yet He loves us unconditionally. We are like flowers here today and gone tomorrow. We are like waves tossed in the ocean. We are nothing. We have to seek Him with all our hearts if we want to know Him. He is not punishing us if He will not show Himself to us. He do not needs us. But we need him. |
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July 04, 2017, 11:10:57 AM |
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The standard position for any human being is to not believe crazy claims unless there is good evidence for it, otherwise you would get lost in all the claims. Paranormal shit, ghosts, telekinesis, god and so on and so on. The burden of proof is on the people who make these outrageous claims and guess what, no one has ever proved any of it.
If that is you crazy answer then i do have some crazy doubts,can you see the air we breath ,yet we believe that we are in taking oxygen and you could answer that because of scientific explanation ,but how many science not being fully developed to understand the vast extent of things,we are yet to settle on the whole solar system thing because science cannot give a certain answer regarding that.  |
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July 04, 2017, 01:19:07 PM |
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Science is too backward to understand God.
You speak as if you had seen God and knew where exactly God is. Has many years and to this day does not have at least a single person who says that he saw and talked with God How do you expect people to believe in God? Why is it so difficult for God to show Himself that God really exists? No reason for god, angels and heaven remain hidden EXACTLY! God must do something in order for all people to believe in him. Miracles and Bibles are not enough for all people to believe in God. I think we really need to see God, and God should talk to all people. Don't you ever go outside and look at nature? How much more does God have to show you before you will understand that He exists? If God wanted us to know he exists, he would know exactly what to do. Yet he chooses to not do it and then punish people for it. I don't really understand how anyone thinks that makes sense, oh well, religiotards He will not show up just for us to believe Him. He is God. We are nothing to Him. Yet He loves us unconditionally. We are like flowers here today and gone tomorrow. We are like waves tossed in the ocean. We are nothing. We have to seek Him with all our hearts if we want to know Him. He is not punishing us if He will not show Himself to us. He do not needs us. But we need him. It says clearly in the bible that if you do not believe in god you will go to hell. If he loves us so much, why does he send people to hell for eternal torture. Don't you see the problem there? |
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July 04, 2017, 02:20:57 PM |
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Personally, I have nothing against religion, if it does not harm myself and other people. And health does not depend on religion, it depends on the way of life of a person.
Your way of life is influenced by your faith, but so is your joy. "A joyful heart is good medicine, but depression drains one's strength." http://biblehub.com/proverbs/17-22.htm |
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July 04, 2017, 02:31:14 PM |
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Science is too backward to understand God.
You speak as if you had seen God and knew where exactly God is. Has many years and to this day does not have at least a single person who says that he saw and talked with God How do you expect people to believe in God? Why is it so difficult for God to show Himself that God really exists? No reason for god, angels and heaven remain hidden EXACTLY! God must do something in order for all people to believe in him. Miracles and Bibles are not enough for all people to believe in God. I think we really need to see God, and God should talk to all people. Don't you ever go outside and look at nature? How much more does God have to show you before you will understand that He exists? If God wanted us to know he exists, he would know exactly what to do. Yet he chooses to not do it and then punish people for it. I don't really understand how anyone thinks that makes sense, oh well, religiotards Not true. God has sent countless messengers. The Phoenix Journals are a recent communication from GOD, and they are so extensively detailed that it needs explanation. What explanation is offered? You need a lot of background information before coming to a conclusion and solving the Content-Source Problem. |
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July 04, 2017, 02:40:31 PM |
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Science is too backward to understand God.
You speak as if you had seen God and knew where exactly God is. Has many years and to this day does not have at least a single person who says that he saw and talked with God How do you expect people to believe in God? Why is it so difficult for God to show Himself that God really exists? No reason for god, angels and heaven remain hidden EXACTLY! God must do something in order for all people to believe in him. Miracles and Bibles are not enough for all people to believe in God. I think we really need to see God, and God should talk to all people. Don't you ever go outside and look at nature? How much more does God have to show you before you will understand that He exists? If God wanted us to know he exists, he would know exactly what to do. Yet he chooses to not do it and then punish people for it. I don't really understand how anyone thinks that makes sense, oh well, religiotards He will not show up just for us to believe Him. He is God. We are nothing to Him. Yet He loves us unconditionally. We are like flowers here today and gone tomorrow. We are like waves tossed in the ocean. We are nothing. We have to seek Him with all our hearts if we want to know Him. He is not punishing us if He will not show Himself to us. He do not needs us. But we need him. It says clearly in the bible that if you do not believe in god you will go to hell. If he loves us so much, why does he send people to hell for eternal torture. Don't you see the problem there!? Why do you think that hell is a real concept? Reincarnation is the rule, although many misconceptions abound. There is a period of rest between incarnations, and sometimes individuals will occupy other planes of existence before returning to the Earth. When an individual’s reincarnational cycle is over, the individual moves on to other systems of reality.[2] There is no heaven or hell,[3] only continued existence. What about the Content-Source Problem? It attacks the idea that life ends at death. Is that not a serious problem for atheists? https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.rivier.edu/faculty/pcunningham/Research/Problem_of_Seths_Origin.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwi35u3F7O_UAhVoxlQKHQStAEwQFgggMAA&usg=AFQjCNH8yXJYJ58Fc_TZTDSbLlh1Reckkg |
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July 04, 2017, 05:41:06 PM |
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Science is too backward to understand God.
You speak as if you had seen God and knew where exactly God is. Has many years and to this day does not have at least a single person who says that he saw and talked with God How do you expect people to believe in God? Why is it so difficult for God to show Himself that God really exists? No reason for god, angels and heaven remain hidden EXACTLY! God must do something in order for all people to believe in him. Miracles and Bibles are not enough for all people to believe in God. I think we really need to see God, and God should talk to all people. Don't you ever go outside and look at nature? How much more does God have to show you before you will understand that He exists? If God wanted us to know he exists, he would know exactly what to do. Yet he chooses to not do it and then punish people for it. I don't really understand how anyone thinks that makes sense, oh well, religiotards He will not show up just for us to believe Him. He is God. We are nothing to Him. Yet He loves us unconditionally. We are like flowers here today and gone tomorrow. We are like waves tossed in the ocean. We are nothing. We have to seek Him with all our hearts if we want to know Him. He is not punishing us if He will not show Himself to us. He do not needs us. But we need him. It says clearly in the bible that if you do not believe in god you will go to hell. If he loves us so much, why does he send people to hell for eternal torture. Don't you see the problem there!? Why do you think that hell is a real concept? Reincarnation is the rule, although many misconceptions abound. There is a period of rest between incarnations, and sometimes individuals will occupy other planes of existence before returning to the Earth. When an individual’s reincarnational cycle is over, the individual moves on to other systems of reality.[2] There is no heaven or hell,[3] only continued existence. What about the Content-Source Problem? It attacks the idea that life ends at death. Is that not a serious problem for atheists? https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.rivier.edu/faculty/pcunningham/Research/Problem_of_Seths_Origin.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwi35u3F7O_UAhVoxlQKHQStAEwQFgggMAA&usg=AFQjCNH8yXJYJ58Fc_TZTDSbLlh1ReckkgThe only way reincarnation can be accurately a fact is, if people who are reincarnated pick up their life from where they left it off. No supposedly reincarnated person ever has clear understanding of his past life. He is shown to be wrong when he tries to describe things of his past life. At best, he is sitting in a position of story telling. |
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July 04, 2017, 05:43:25 PM |
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Science is too backward to understand God.
You speak as if you had seen God and knew where exactly God is. Has many years and to this day does not have at least a single person who says that he saw and talked with God How do you expect people to believe in God? Why is it so difficult for God to show Himself that God really exists? No reason for god, angels and heaven remain hidden EXACTLY! God must do something in order for all people to believe in him. Miracles and Bibles are not enough for all people to believe in God. I think we really need to see God, and God should talk to all people. Don't you ever go outside and look at nature? How much more does God have to show you before you will understand that He exists? If God wanted us to know he exists, he would know exactly what to do. Yet he chooses to not do it and then punish people for it. I don't really understand how anyone thinks that makes sense, oh well, religiotards He will not show up just for us to believe Him. He is God. We are nothing to Him. Yet He loves us unconditionally. We are like flowers here today and gone tomorrow. We are like waves tossed in the ocean. We are nothing. We have to seek Him with all our hearts if we want to know Him. He is not punishing us if He will not show Himself to us. He do not needs us. But we need him. It says clearly in the bible that if you do not believe in god you will go to hell. If he loves us so much, why does he send people to hell for eternal torture. Don't you see the problem there? God sends no one to Hell. He simply offers the option. Believe and accept Jesus salvation and miss out on Hell. Or don't accept and believe Jesus, and toss yourself into Hell. YOUR choice. |
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Science is too backward to understand God.
You speak as if you had seen God and knew where exactly God is. Has many years and to this day does not have at least a single person who says that he saw and talked with God How do you expect people to believe in God? Why is it so difficult for God to show Himself that God really exists? No reason for god, angels and heaven remain hidden EXACTLY! God must do something in order for all people to believe in him. Miracles and Bibles are not enough for all people to believe in God. I think we really need to see God, and God should talk to all people. Don't you ever go outside and look at nature? How much more does God have to show you before you will understand that He exists? If God wanted us to know he exists, he would know exactly what to do. Yet he chooses to not do it and then punish people for it. I don't really understand how anyone thinks that makes sense, oh well, religiotards He will not show up just for us to believe Him. He is God. We are nothing to Him. Yet He loves us unconditionally. We are like flowers here today and gone tomorrow. We are like waves tossed in the ocean. We are nothing. We have to seek Him with all our hearts if we want to know Him. He is not punishing us if He will not show Himself to us. He do not needs us. But we need him. It says clearly in the bible that if you do not believe in god you will go to hell. If he loves us so much, why does he send people to hell for eternal torture. Don't you see the problem there? God sends no one to Hell. He simply offers the option. Believe and accept Jesus salvation and miss out on Hell. Or don't accept and believe Jesus, and toss yourself into Hell. YOUR choice. what i love most about GOD is that after giving you these two options and be such a loving GOD, he told us to Jesus as the only way to salvation. |
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July 04, 2017, 06:35:24 PM |
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Science is too backward to understand God.
You speak as if you had seen God and knew where exactly God is. Has many years and to this day does not have at least a single person who says that he saw and talked with God How do you expect people to believe in God? Why is it so difficult for God to show Himself that God really exists? No reason for god, angels and heaven remain hidden EXACTLY! God must do something in order for all people to believe in him. Miracles and Bibles are not enough for all people to believe in God. I think we really need to see God, and God should talk to all people. Don't you ever go outside and look at nature? How much more does God have to show you before you will understand that He exists? If God wanted us to know he exists, he would know exactly what to do. Yet he chooses to not do it and then punish people for it. I don't really understand how anyone thinks that makes sense, oh well, religiotards He will not show up just for us to believe Him. He is God. We are nothing to Him. Yet He loves us unconditionally. We are like flowers here today and gone tomorrow. We are like waves tossed in the ocean. We are nothing. We have to seek Him with all our hearts if we want to know Him. He is not punishing us if He will not show Himself to us. He do not needs us. But we need him. It says clearly in the bible that if you do not believe in god you will go to hell. If he loves us so much, why does he send people to hell for eternal torture. Don't you see the problem there? God sends no one to Hell. He simply offers the option. Believe and accept Jesus salvation and miss out on Hell. Or don't accept and believe Jesus, and toss yourself into Hell. YOUR choice. what i love most about GOD is that after giving you these two options and be such a loving GOD, he told us to Jesus as the only way to salvation. However, people don't understand the depth to which God has entered into the universe, and the depth to which he has implanted people in it. If people understood this stuff, they would have a better chance of understanding why Jesus can be the only way to Heaven. There is essentially nothing else that God can do. The Almighty God Who can do anything, chose to do the impossible, by making people so great, that the only chance that they have to be saved, is a Jesus chance. God doesn't go half way with things. God made us so great that we have God-power to reject or accept the only way into salvation... Jesus. |
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July 05, 2017, 01:58:44 AM |
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Science is too backward to understand God.
You speak as if you had seen God and knew where exactly God is. Has many years and to this day does not have at least a single person who says that he saw and talked with God How do you expect people to believe in God? Why is it so difficult for God to show Himself that God really exists? No reason for god, angels and heaven remain hidden EXACTLY! God must do something in order for all people to believe in him. Miracles and Bibles are not enough for all people to believe in God. I think we really need to see God, and God should talk to all people. Don't you ever go outside and look at nature? How much more does God have to show you before you will understand that He exists? If God wanted us to know he exists, he would know exactly what to do. Yet he chooses to not do it and then punish people for it. I don't really understand how anyone thinks that makes sense, oh well, religiotards Boom! Thank you for saying this. Maybe there is a God but not the God on bible. If he really loves us unconditionally, why send someone to hell. Lol |
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Science is too backward to understand God.
You speak as if you had seen God and knew where exactly God is. Has many years and to this day does not have at least a single person who says that he saw and talked with God How do you expect people to believe in God? Why is it so difficult for God to show Himself that God really exists? No reason for god, angels and heaven remain hidden EXACTLY! God must do something in order for all people to believe in him. Miracles and Bibles are not enough for all people to believe in God. I think we really need to see God, and God should talk to all people. Don't you ever go outside and look at nature? How much more does God have to show you before you will understand that He exists? If God wanted us to know he exists, he would know exactly what to do. Yet he chooses to not do it and then punish people for it. I don't really understand how anyone thinks that makes sense, oh well, religiotards He will not show up just for us to believe Him. He is God. We are nothing to Him. Yet He loves us unconditionally. We are like flowers here today and gone tomorrow. We are like waves tossed in the ocean. We are nothing. We have to seek Him with all our hearts if we want to know Him. He is not punishing us if He will not show Himself to us. He do not needs us. But we need him. It says clearly in the bible that if you do not believe in god you will go to hell. If he loves us so much, why does he send people to hell for eternal torture. Don't you see the problem there? God sends no one to Hell. He simply offers the option. Believe and accept Jesus salvation and miss out on Hell. Or don't accept and believe Jesus, and toss yourself into Hell. YOUR choice. Yeah dude, I point you with a gun and I say, hey give me your money or I will shoot you. I'm giving you a choice Seems perfectly fine to me. And how is it a choice to believe in something anyways. Is not like I can choose to suddenly believe in God. What a pile of horseshit lmao. |
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July 05, 2017, 10:16:21 AM |
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Religion and health or finances have nothing in common. There are people of the same level of faith in one religion, but they have different health and finances.
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Religion and health or finances have nothing in common. There are people of the same level of faith in one religion, but they have different health and finances.
Yes and no. Inequality already forms within the nuclear families, that part you got right. It reflects both nature and will of God. However, there are also massive differences between socio-economic standing of various religious groups. Some people just perform better. Mormon men live 10 years longer than other U.S. white males.Mormon women live more than five years longer than other U.S. white females.Those are the among the results of a 25-year study into the health habits and the longevity of the Mormon lifestyle by non-Mormon UCLA professors James E. Enstrom and Lester Breslow, who summarized their research with the conclusion: " Several healthy characteristics of the Mormon lifestyle are associated with substantially reduced death rates and increased life expectancy." There. |
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