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A New Formula 1 GP this week.

They will race in Germany on the bad version of Hockenheimring.

The race will permit overtakes if drivers can do them so it will not be boring as other GP, Mercedes are favorite.

These are 2018 results: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Grand_Prix

Pole position

Germany Sebastian VettelFerrari1:11.212

Podium

        1. United Kingdom L. HamiltonMercedes1:32:29.845
        2. Finland V. BottasMercedes+4.535
        3. Finland K. RäikkönenFerrari+6.732

Fastest lap

    United Kingdom Lewis HamiltonMercedes1:15.545

[Saint-loup]

A New Formula 1 GP this week.

They will race in Germany on the bad version of Hockenheimring.

The race will permit overtakes if drivers can do them so it will not be boring as other GP, Mercedes are favorite.

These are 2018 results: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Grand_Prix

Pole position

Germany Sebastian VettelFerrari1:11.212

Podium

        1. United Kingdom L. HamiltonMercedes1:32:29.845
        2. Finland V. BottasMercedes+4.535
        3. Finland K. RäikkönenFerrari+6.732

Fastest lap

    United Kingdom Lewis HamiltonMercedes1:15.545

Thank you
Here is the shape of the circuit

https://www.theweek.co.uk/formula-1/102401/f1-german-gp-practice-qualifying-race-start-time-predictions-tv-guide-betting-odds

Hamilton is the big favorite.
But the odds for him aren't very low, do you know why?

https://www.oddschecker.com/motorsport/formula-1

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2019 FORMULA 1 GERMAN GRAND PRIX - QUALIFYING RESULTS

1   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport   + 0.623s   1m12.149s   1m11.767s
2   Max Verstappen   NED   Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda   + 0.187s   + 0.278s   + 0.346s
3   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport   + 0.846s   + 0.275s   + 0.362s
4   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda   + 0.762s   + 0.236s   + 0.413s
5   Kimi Raikkonen   FIN   Alfa Romeo Racing   + 0.837s   + 0.370s   + 0.771s
6   Romain Grosjean   FRA   Rich Energy Haas F1 Team   + 0.917s   + 0.620s   + 1.084s
7   Carlos Sainz   ESP   McLaren F1 Team   + 0.992s   + 0.483s   + 1.130s
8   Sergio Perez   MEX   SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team   + 0.965s   + 0.627s   + 1.298s
9   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   Renault F1 Team   + 0.957s   + 0.617s   + 1.359s
10   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m12.229s   + 0.195s   no time
11   Antonio Giovinazzi   ITA   Alfa Romeo Racing   + 0.936s   + 0.637s   
12   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Rich Energy Haas F1 Team   + 0.874s   + 0.640s   
13   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Renault F1 Team   + 0.902s   + 0.650s   
14   Daniil Kvyat   RUS   Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda   + 1.049s   + 0.986s   
15   Lance Stroll   CAN   SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team   + 1.027s   + 1.301s   
16   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   + 1.104s       
17   Alexander Albon   THA   Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda   + 1.232s       
18   George Russell   GBR   ROKiT Williams Racing   + 2.492s       
19   Robert Kubica   POL   ROKiT Williams Racing   + 2.610s       
20   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Scuderia Ferrari   no time

What a bad day for Ferrari. One driver out cuz it was turbo failure and other fuel line error. Can we see from Max to end Mercedes wins here we will see tomorrow.

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2019 FORMULA 1 GERMAN GRAND PRIX - QUALIFYING RESULTS

1   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport   + 0.623s   1m12.149s   1m11.767s
2   Max Verstappen   NED   Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda   + 0.187s   + 0.278s   + 0.346s
3   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport   + 0.846s   + 0.275s   + 0.362s
4   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda   + 0.762s   + 0.236s   + 0.413s
5   Kimi Raikkonen   FIN   Alfa Romeo Racing   + 0.837s   + 0.370s   + 0.771s
6   Romain Grosjean   FRA   Rich Energy Haas F1 Team   + 0.917s   + 0.620s   + 1.084s
7   Carlos Sainz   ESP   McLaren F1 Team   + 0.992s   + 0.483s   + 1.130s
8   Sergio Perez   MEX   SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team   + 0.965s   + 0.627s   + 1.298s
9   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   Renault F1 Team   + 0.957s   + 0.617s   + 1.359s
10   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m12.229s   + 0.195s   no time
11   Antonio Giovinazzi   ITA   Alfa Romeo Racing   + 0.936s   + 0.637s   
12   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Rich Energy Haas F1 Team   + 0.874s   + 0.640s   
13   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Renault F1 Team   + 0.902s   + 0.650s   
14   Daniil Kvyat   RUS   Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda   + 1.049s   + 0.986s   
15   Lance Stroll   CAN   SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team   + 1.027s   + 1.301s   
16   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   + 1.104s       
17   Alexander Albon   THA   Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda   + 1.232s       
18   George Russell   GBR   ROKiT Williams Racing   + 2.492s       
19   Robert Kubica   POL   ROKiT Williams Racing   + 2.610s       
20   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Scuderia Ferrari   no time

What a bad day for Ferrari. One driver out cuz it was turbo failure and other fuel line error. Can we see from Max to end Mercedes wins here we will see tomorrow.

yes, it seems that the turbo problem is in the VETTEL. FERRARI driver who recorded the best time in FP, but in their qualification the record time is down.
it looks like HAMILTON will again dominate German F1 this time. even though at FP it didn't record the best time, but in qualification HAMILTON could record the best time,

[Naida_BR]

Disastrous qualifying session for ferrari.
I predict an easy win for another race for Mercedes and Lewis Hamilton again.

[coinlocket$]

What a disaster for Ferrari, they got the best car on the track till last hour but they got engine problems in the end.

I can see a good race for them, the weather will probably be rain so everything can happen.

For sure will be a fun race.

[Juggy777]

What a disaster for Ferrari, they got the best car on the track till last hour but they got engine problems in the end.

I can see a good race for them, the weather will probably be rain so everything can happen.

For sure will be a fun race.

It was a horrible double disaster for Ferrari Vettle had almost clinched the pole position, but he got unlucky due to an engine failure. Hamilton was no where near Ferrari’s raw pace yesterday, but his luck once again helped him as he took full advantage of Ferrari’s engine troubles. Even if it rains it should yet be an easy victory for Hamilton as he’s starting from the pole position.

News Source: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.German-grand-prix-2019-qualifying-report.7heCC9NEGU4pQZaGTm7Jpq.html

[Naida_BR]

What a disaster for Ferrari, they got the best car on the track till last hour but they got engine problems in the end.

I can see a good race for them, the weather will probably be rain so everything can happen.

For sure will be a fun race.

It was a horrible double disaster for Ferrari Vettle had almost clinched the pole position, but he got unlucky due to an engine failure. Hamilton was no where near Ferrari’s raw pace yesterday, but his luck once again helped him as he took full advantage of Ferrari’s engine troubles. Even if it rains it should yet be an easy victory for Hamilton as he’s starting from the pole position.

News Source: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.German-grand-prix-2019-qualifying-report.7heCC9NEGU4pQZaGTm7Jpq.html

Now that Ferraris start from later positions in the grid I would probably bet for them to make the fastest lap on the race. It would be very possible for them to hit the fastest lap.

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Does anyone of you live in Germany? I think it's a raining day today.

If will rain the favorite, in my opinion, should be Max Verstappen he is just amazing and RedBull is a real Bull on critical conditions.

[Naida_BR]

Does anyone of you live in Germany? I think it's a raining day today.

If will rain the favorite, in my opinion, should be Max Verstappen he is just amazing and RedBull is a real Bull on critical conditions.

There are predictions that there will be rain in Hockenheim today.
If we see any rain I think that Hamilton will be in a bad situation, something like it happened in Monaco when he struggled to keep the 1st position in the grid with wrong tires.

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Does anyone of you live in Germany? I think it's a raining day today.

If will rain the favorite, in my opinion, should be Max Verstappen he is just amazing and RedBull is a real Bull on critical conditions.

There are predictions that there will be rain in Hockenheim today.
If we see any rain I think that Hamilton will be in a bad situation, something like it happened in Monaco when he struggled to keep the 1st position in the grid with wrong tires.

If comes to this then things can be changed but more for Lewis for that matter but if in race start then thing are open for all, off course in this situation then who comes first in pit will make huge profit.

[Saint-loup]

Does anyone of you live in Germany? I think it's a raining day today.

If will rain the favorite, in my opinion, should be Max Verstappen he is just amazing and RedBull is a real Bull on critical conditions.

For now it's not raining in Hockenheim according to meteonews.ch , but they are still forecasting rain for this afternoon.

http://meteonews.ch/en/Weather/G2902852/Hockenheim

[Tapyaks72]

Does anyone of you live in Germany? I think it's a raining day today.

If will rain the favorite, in my opinion, should be Max Verstappen he is just amazing and RedBull is a real Bull on critical conditions.

For now it's not raining in Hockenheim according to meteonews.ch , but they are still forecasting rain for this afternoon.

http://meteonews.ch/en/Weather/G2902852/Hockenheim

When rain will come technical team can adjust immediately, the problem is the visibility become poor, maybe this a game changer, hopefully  will not rain on race day.

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1   Verstappen   1:44:31.275
2   Vettel      +7.333s   
3   Kvyat      +8.305s
4   Stroll      +8.966s   
5   Sainz      +9.583s   
6   Albon      +10.052s   
7   Räikkönen   +12.214s   
8   Giovinazzi   +13.849s   
9   Grosjean   +16.838s   
10   Magnussen   +18.765s   
11   Hamilton   +19.667s   
12   Kubica      +24.987s   
13   Russell      +26.404s   
https://www.formula1.com/en/results.html/2019/races/1010/germany/race-result.html

[LTU_btc]

It was probably craziest race since Malaysia 2009. I waited for such crazy race for so long. Verstappen - he had terrible start, one spin, but then he did everything perfect and made pit stops on the right time. Vettel - from 20th to 2nd place - brilliant driving. Kvyat - he was so lucky to switch to slick tyres on the right time. This race was not about strategy, it was literally gambling - when to make pit stop and what tyres to choose. Leclerc was doing great today, but it was too early to put slick tyres. And what a disaster for Mercedes at home GP. And Hamilton pit stop after crash probably was most chaotic pit stop I've ever seen. And I think that Gasly today lost his spot in Red Bull today - he lost to both Toro Rosso drivers and had terrible race. Wow, so many things happened today and it's shame that we won't see race in Hockeheimring next year.
EDIT Both Alfa Romeo drivers got 30 seconds time penalty and it means that Robert Kubica gets his first point for Williams this season. Wow!

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EDIT Both Alfa Romeo drivers got 30 seconds time penalty and it means that Robert Kubica gets his first point for Williams this season. Wow!

Lewis Hamilton also got a time penalty of five second for "entering the point lane on the wrong side of the bollard."
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1158870/Lewis-Hamilton-penalty-German-Grand-Prix-updates-news

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I saw the Grand Prix and I must say that it was one of the most exciting in recent years, until the end it was a lottery where anyone could won thanks to the rain and the endless safety cars.
It was a grand Prix where Ferrari could make a double before qualifying and where they could unbelievably win in the race with Leclerc but unfortunately, he made a mistake in a corner where five riders went out.

I don't know how Hamilton does it but besides being the strongest he is also the luckiest, every rare time something happens to him the lesser evil happens, every time he enters the safety car is in the right place.

For the rest of the race, I did not see the supremacy of anyone, at every different condition there was a driver who could do better than the others, in the end, those who made fewer mistakes and who made the last change with new intermediate tires made first and second.
Excellent Ferrari strategy, sad due to the pilot's error or it could be AGAIN the 1st Leclerc victory.

[LTU_btc]

EDIT Both Alfa Romeo drivers got 30 seconds time penalty and it means that Robert Kubica gets his first point for Williams this season. Wow!

Lewis Hamilton also got a time penalty of five second for "entering the point lane on the wrong side of the bollard."
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1158870/Lewis-Hamilton-penalty-German-Grand-Prix-updates-news

Yeah, but served his penalty during pit stop. There was message that he may get another penalty because he was going too slow during safety car period. But he was slow because he had accident and and had to make pit stop. There was no reason to punish him in this case.

[Tapyaks72]

EDIT Both Alfa Romeo drivers got 30 seconds time penalty and it means that Robert Kubica gets his first point for Williams this season. Wow!

Lewis Hamilton also got a time penalty of five second for "entering the point lane on the wrong side of the bollard."
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1158870/Lewis-Hamilton-penalty-German-Grand-Prix-updates-news

Yeah, but served his penalty during pit stop. There was message that he may get another penalty because he was going too slow during safety car period. But he was slow because he had accident and and had to make pit stop. There was no reason to punish him in this case.

It seems reasonable but role should always be followed but in this case to be fair this should need an investigation, because the their always an exception of the rule.

[bbc.reporter]

I reckon the only reason why the race was not boring as usual was because of the rain. Without the rain, Lewis wins and Max might fall on 3rd hehehe.

In any case, it was an outstanding race for Sebastian, good on him.