[Archive] BFL trolling museum

[repentance]

Josh, will you please stop trying to deflect people's attention from the most important question of all - why your poodle has been turned into a piece of performance art (Joseph's technicolour dream coat, I presume).

[bce]

I once worked on updating my bathroom, so I totally see how PG's work as drywall contractor gives clues into how ASIC development can be done better, without the bugs they encountered.  I would have started with a better flush valve on the toilets at BFL headquarters -  less clogging.   Seriously everyone, go with a 3" or better flush valve.  It makes a difference.

[creativex]

PSSSST CreativeX... I hate to break this to you (because apparently you didn't know)... but all rational people base their opinions on evidence (and the intelligent ones change their opinion based on that evidence if it is warranted).

The fact that you just admitted that you don't require evidence to formulate an opinion explains pretty much everything about you at this point.  Thank you for finally clearing up how you can be so irrational in the face of evidence to the contrary.

Ah. Thanks for helping a brother out! Umm...do you happen to have an opinion about religion by chance? ...and if so what is it based on?

...also by your definition there should never be such a thing as a dissenting opinion, yet these exist at the highest levels. So tell me are supreme court justices that review evidence, but arrive at a dissenting opinion irrational in your...ummm opinion? What did you base that assessment on?  

[DiabloD3]

but all rational people base their opinions on evidence (and the intelligent ones change their opinion based on that evidence if it is warranted).

See, this is what I've been trying to tell you, and you said it more concisely than I have.

Please, pony up the evidence.

I want to believe BFL is real and not a long con. I want to believe that the ASICs are real and are coming real soon now and are going to work as well as everyone has hoped. I want to believe BFL just didnt run off with a million dollars in BTC. I want to believe BFL treats their customers LIKE customers instead of using them as a cheap source of venture capital and all these victims are really hoodwinked investors.

I'm not the bad guy here, even if you want to paint me as such.

[PuertoLibre]

I once worked on updating my bathroom, so I totally see how PG's work as drywall contractor gives clues into how ASIC development can be done better, without the bugs they encountered.  I would have started with a better flush valve on the toilets at BFL headquarters -  less clogging.   Seriously everyone, go with a 3" or better flush valve.  It makes a difference.

You can't unclog turds as big as Josh. That sir is a myth!

[bce]

PSSSST CreativeX... I hate to break this to you (because apparently you didn't know)... but all rational people base their opinions on evidence (and the intelligent ones change their opinion based on that evidence if it is warranted).

The fact that you just admitted that you don't require evidence to formulate an opinion explains pretty much everything about you at this point.  Thank you for finally clearing up how you can be so irrational in the face of evidence to the contrary.

Ah. Thanks for helping a brother out! Umm...do you happen to have an opinion about religion by chance? ...and if so what is it based on?

...also by your definition there should never be such a thing as a dissenting opinion, yet these exist at the highest levels. So tell me are supreme court justices that review evidence, but arrive at a dissenting opinion irrational in your...ummm opinion? What did you base that assessment on?  

This post really does say it all!  haha. Wow.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

I don't believe they've "missed" multiple shipping dates at all...that would merely imply incompetence.

What evidence do you have for this belief?

None, why would I require evidence to formulate an opinion?

lol

HAHAHA you caught that too, did you?  I think we have just found out why CreativeX is so irrational.  I think that might be my new signature.

PG - if you run such a successful business why don't you explain to everyone why your gross income is completely irrelevant.  You can gross even a billion dollars, but if your net is a buck (or more likely negative), you are a failure.  It's trivial to make a company gross a million dollars... just sell stuff or perform labor at cost or below cost.  Your gross income is meaningless, thanks for trying though. Drywall company and barn doors... heh.  High tech stuff there! You are certainly qualified to judge a tech company alright.

You are correct about the difference between gross and net. The drywall company only netted 10% profit, whereas the sale of barn wood is considerably more.

Case in point: I pay no more than $.50 for a similar board you see below, sans the writing. I sell it for no less than $4.00, sometimes to an artist like this on Etsy who applies a little art work and asks and receives $25.

Beams that I ship across country I pay about $.25 per board foot and sell for $5.00 board foot, getting a premium for rare species and larger size timber.



With the exception of once this year, my customers have come to rely on me and my word that I deliver what and when I promise. The one time I failed, I'm ashamed to admit, I reverted to falsehoods (plural, because I had to perpetuate the lie), blaming a supplier for the late delivery date, when the fact of matter was I had yet to procure her order from any source and was stalling for time till I found it. That episode bit me in the ass big time. Is it to late in your life to learn from this paragraph?

BTW, the latter part of the post in question was meant to demonstrate that I was familiar with accounting practices--namely, expenditures. Not comparing a tech company with a construction or lumber supply entity. And the Ming vase post was meant as humor.

FYI: I posted in threads related to BFL 47 times, thus enabling them to sell 47 units, with 4 pending sales and 0 cancellations. What's your BFL numbers? (question directed toward those who post about BFL that's not affiliated with the company)

[mrb]

I suggest mods to lock down this thread for 48h+ in order to let posters "cool down".

[Syke]

Poor CreativeX, all butt hurt because we are 2.5 months late in shipping and his pet bASIC all but run off with his pre-order money.

Interesting. Where did you find any evidence of bASIC running off with money? Or was that another flat out Inaba lie?

He said "all but", implying that everything short of running off with the pre order money has happened. I refuse to buy into the unfathomable stupidity where "all but" means "all and especially including".

So how has bASIC "all but run off" with the money? Is there any refund that hasn't been given? Is there any evidence whatsoever to claim "all but run off"? Or was it a flat out lie?

[Syke]

Every other ASIC manufacturer has also had delays.

Avalon's initial ship date was "we will have all of the 300 units shipped before the end of February, 2013." By my calendar, that hasn't passed yet, so they have yet to have a shipping delay.

[nathanrees19]

Or was it a flat out lie?

It was obviously an exaggeration. It seems unlikely that any of the current vendors would run off with the money, but some bASIC customers have been deeply concerned over their PR guy apparently not knowing the source of their delays:

https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/index.php?topic=130.0

[nathanrees19]

Every other ASIC manufacturer has also had delays.

Avalon's initial ship date was "we will have all of the 300 units shipped before the end of February, 2013." By my calendar, that hasn't passed yet, so they have yet to have a shipping delay.

Keep in mind that they haven't hit the most critical point yet. Some issues won't come up until you solder the "finished" chips onto a board.

[witherworth]

I suggest mods to lock down this thread for 48h+ in order to let posters "cool down".

This, +100

Although, it's still intertaining to read..

[crazyates]

I suggest mods to lock down this thread for 48h+ in order to let posters "cool down".

This, +100

Although, it's still intertaining to read..

The thread was locked. It's since been unlocked to allow for conversation to resume at a more civil level.

[aTg]

Do not remember seeing these pictures in the forum.

http://www.btcman.com/bitebixinwen/20121117/902.html

[DobZombie]

I do not remember aver seen these pictures in the forum or in the official website.

http://www.btcman.com/bitebixinwen/20121117/902.html

It's got some links to other ASICs

Inside info in china?

[crazyates]

I do not remember aver seen these pictures in the forum or in the official website.

http://www.btcman.com/bitebixinwen/20121117/902.html

It's got some links to other ASICs

Inside info in china?

Just the other day, I was wondering if there were actual pictures of the heatsink used in the new Singles. I don't keep up on the BFL forums that much, so I didn't know if I'd missed them, or they just weren't there. I don't think we'll have the same temp issues that the current ones have!

[CoinHoarder]

Just the other day, I was wondering if there were actual pictures of the heatsink used in the new Singles. I don't keep up on the BFL forums that much, so I didn't know if I'd missed them, or they just weren't there. I don't think we'll have the same temp issues that the current ones have!

I know BFL has released pictures of the heat sink they plan to use for the Single. Supposedly, it is "custom" made just for BFL.

I think it is somewhere in this thread, good luck finding it though... this thread is such a cluster f***.

EDIT: I should pay attention lol...

[bce]

I do not remember aver seen these pictures in the forum or in the official website.

http://www.btcman.com/bitebixinwen/20121117/902.html

It's got some links to other ASICs

Inside info in china?

Just the other day, I was wondering if there were actual pictures of the heatsink used in the new Singles. I don't keep up on the BFL forums that much, so I didn't know if I'd missed them, or they just weren't there. I don't think we'll have the same temp issues that the current ones have!

All of those photos are just reposts of some that were posted by Josh on BFL's forum.   As far as I know, this is the second revision all-copper heat sink that actually made it to production.  It'll be used on the Single SC and Little Single SC.   Yeah, it's good to see some copper - kinda overkill, but I think everything on this final released product will be as such = good for the pre-order customers !

[Frizz23]

I was pleasantly surprised to see some critical posts on forums.butterflylabs.com. Which made me think: Josh has been put on a leash (again) - and the days of censorship are over.

Unfortunately it seems they are still deleting posts. Just not every critical post. I assume it's because there are simply to many of them - and they don't dare to delete them all (-> too many people would complain about censorship).

This one is gone by now. Question for BFL/Josh/Inaba: What was so bad about it that it had to be deleted?



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