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Author Topic: Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order  (Read 502892 times)
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June 04, 2016, 04:50:45 AM
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It might be fixable in the config with SSH.

Also, looks like they found a few more to sell.  Relisted.
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June 04, 2016, 04:54:55 AM
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It might be fixable in the config with SSH.

Also, looks like they found a few more to sell.  Relisted.

yeah I saw that  and I have my coins together, but    won't buy any more  until I am certain I can mine these at pools I like.


I bitched and moaned  have they screwed me on my s7 batch 1 .. for months.  The finally paid me compensation  this may first..

So I said maybe they want to try harder to serve customers.  Now with this info  I am not likely to buy any more gear.

I may cancel my sales on the older gear  since pool flexibility is a must for me.

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June 04, 2016, 04:58:17 AM
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Bitmain have hacked stratum in the S9 miner.
Adding their own special command for antpool ... who knows what they do with that extra command during authentification ...

We don't allow invalid commands during authentication e.g. to stop DDoS attempts sending rubbish to the pool when they connect.
So, yep as of now the S9 wont work on CKPool.
Any pool that allows the miner to send random rubbish during connection will allow it.

You used to have a special hookup for asicminer tubes.

Been a while since I had a tube.

Will you be able to allow the s-9 in the same manner?

I have two on order and I don't want to point at antpool.
I may have to not order a third or fourth one.

Whoah, Not being able to hook up to Kano.is is crazy.  Is there some work-around?  Anything?  Can the code be rewritten?

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June 04, 2016, 05:10:49 AM
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    Well back to a very simple question  to bitmaintech:


  Please confirm if you restricted your miner's pool choices?



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June 04, 2016, 05:34:20 AM
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   Well back to a very simple question  to bitmaintech:


  Please confirm if you restricted your miner's pool choices?




I doubt that in the final analysis it will be so, but if it is, then bitcoin as a whole might be f-ed up as a result, unless it changes the POW to GPU or to POS.
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June 04, 2016, 07:23:55 AM
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I think we will see soon Bitmain S9-LN with PSU about 7 TH/s , 700 watt. Its gonna be more comfortable for home miners. IMHO.

 9.5 TH at just under 1KW would be the stats on a 2-board "-LN" varient.
 Still quite a bit more comfortable for home miners, and I kinda expect to see such a varient in a few months to a year.

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June 04, 2016, 07:44:07 AM
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Bitmain have hacked stratum in the S9 miner.
Adding their own special command for antpool ... who knows what they do with that extra command during authentification ...

We don't allow invalid commands during authentication e.g. to stop DDoS attempts sending rubbish to the pool when they connect.
So, yep as of now the S9 wont work on CKPool.
Any pool that allows the miner to send random rubbish during connection will allow it.

Wow this is pretty messed up..
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June 04, 2016, 08:55:54 AM
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I think they opened up for a few more sales because the bitcoin price shot up again --

they didn't adjust the BTC Price when it opened up for a while  -- I managed to get an order in for one lucky I bought the BTC lower -- but wow did they score on that order @ 4.17 BTC for S9 + shipping + PSU 

@ $580 per btc they can cash out $2400 for the deal
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June 04, 2016, 08:58:21 AM
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I guess that the price will drop by half in next 3-4 monthes.  Undecided

oh shiit.. i will waiting next 2-4month to buy it
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June 04, 2016, 09:51:10 AM
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   Well back to a very simple question  to bitmaintech:


  Please confirm if you restricted your miner's pool choices?



That'd be a disaster for all of us bitcoin miners here...  I don't think Bitmain is that corrupted yet, but if they start selling pool choices, then we'll be facing real trouble. That's one of the reasons I'm not buying this yet, I need real people to give real results on this miner, and not just randomly buy this. There are probably more things we don't know about this miner as of now...

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June 04, 2016, 10:10:18 AM
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   Well back to a very simple question  to bitmaintech:


  Please confirm if you restricted your miner's pool choices?



That'd be a disaster for all of us bitcoin miners here...  I don't think Bitmain is that corrupted yet, but if they start selling pool choices, then we'll be facing real trouble. That's one of the reasons I'm not buying this yet, I need real people to give real results on this miner, and not just randomly buy this. There are probably more things we don't know about this miner as of now...

I have 2 on order  was going to get a third.  Now I will wait as a locked miner is not what I want.

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June 04, 2016, 10:12:26 AM
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   Well back to a very simple question  to bitmaintech:


  Please confirm if you restricted your miner's pool choices?



That'd be a disaster for all of us bitcoin miners here...  I don't think Bitmain is that corrupted yet, but if they start selling pool choices, then we'll be facing real trouble. That's one of the reasons I'm not buying this yet, I need real people to give real results on this miner, and not just randomly buy this. There are probably more things we don't know about this miner as of now...

I have 2 on order  was going to get a third.  Now I will wait as a locked miner is not what I want.
Yep. Bitmain probably realized that they had almost no competition and decided to push a new miner with all these limitations just because they could. Who wants a ultra-efficient brick anyway? Not me. Hopefully even if they are this locked when they come out, somebody could make some software for it and "unbrick" it.
They'll probably keep this kind of bricking on the miner until competition comes, like Bitfury. Not particularly hyped about that because, well, by the time Bitfury miners come out, this will already be all around the mining community.

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June 04, 2016, 10:12:51 AM
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   Well back to a very simple question  to bitmaintech:

  Please confirm if you restricted your miner's pool choices?

That'd be a disaster for all of us bitcoin miners here...  I don't think Bitmain is that corrupted yet....

I do. If it's true, it doesn't surprise me at all tbh. Antpool is the worst coded, most harmful to the network & with the worst customer support out of all pools. Because of this, miners have left in their droves - this would be their attempt at getting rid of the competition by forcing miners back on to their pool - only bitmain would use this kind of dirty tactic.

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   Well back to a very simple question  to bitmaintech:

  Please confirm if you restricted your miner's pool choices?

That'd be a disaster for all of us bitcoin miners here...  I don't think Bitmain is that corrupted yet....

I do. If it's true, it doesn't surprise me at all tbh. Antpool is the worst coded, most harmful to the network & with the worst customer support out of all pools. Because of this, miners have left in their droves - this would be their attempt at getting rid of the competition by forcing miners back on to their pool - only bitmain would use this kind of dirty tactic.
That is true, but unless Bitfury introduces a chip more efficient than these S9s are, then we'll be seeing a huge bump onto the Antpool. For now I'll be waiting for another miner to come out, maybe a community one. At least we have something that isn't as corrupted as Bitmain. This would've happened eventually to any mining company, because they practically control the network hash rate and if they wanted to, the could brick miners to only solomine for them. Not saying that Bitmain would, but money is a big driver for mining companies.

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June 04, 2016, 12:50:18 PM
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   Well back to a very simple question  to bitmaintech:


  Please confirm if you restricted your miner's pool choices?

I doubt that in the final analysis it will be so, but if it is, then bitcoin as a whole might be f-ed up as a result, unless it changes the POW to GPU or to POS.

I also doubt it very much. People have a long history of spreading FUD when it comes to Bitmain hardware and mining pools...


Now I will wait as a locked miner is not what I want.

Don't worry.  It is extremely unlikely to be a "locked" miner.  The FUD is strong with pool competition.

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I doubt that in the final analysis it will be so, but if it is, then bitcoin as a whole might be f-ed up as a result, unless it changes the POW to GPU or to POS.

GPU isn't a viable solution for mining for the long term! Low security which makes it very cheap to take over the network and there is no guarantee that mining will be much more decentralized than today. I mean we are competing with BitFury who was funded by the Georgian government. Also I suspect that they have enough liquidity for a massive investment in any kind of equipment to match the new mining algorithm. Let's not forget that BitFury was mining on a 110TH/s FPGA rig when everyone was just discovering FPGA mining. If they have been quiet in the last period it doesn't mean that they lost their skill and their ability to do business.

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June 04, 2016, 01:31:48 PM
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I think some people are misunderstanding what Kano said.  The miner sends extra information while negotiating the stratum connection.  Presumably this extra information means something at antpool and serves some purpose.  But Kano's pool is setup so that if you don't follow protocol exactly you get dropped.  He said it was for anti-DDoS reasons.  Makes perfect sense.  So Kano's pool will drop this miner at connection because it doesn't follow the rules exactly.  Other pools may not be setup the same way.  They may see the extra info, disregard it, and let the miner connect and start mining anyway.  We don't know yet.

Sort of reminds me of email server configurations.  Some mail servers conform with the rules exactly to reduce spam and eliminate the ability of others to spoof email from them, some mail servers are much looser about it.  Some mail servers will still inter-operate with misconfigured mail servers, and some won't.

But this miner hasn't really been released yet.  The one that gets shipped may not include this stratum change.  We don't know yet.  If it does include it, it still doesn't mean the miner only works at antpool, other pools might still work, we just know for sure that Kano's won't. 

Finally, the config files may be fixable by SSH.  But it seems certain that even if you can't permanently change a file and fix it, you could replace the files using SSH to eliminate the issue until the miner is rebooted at least.  That would be a PITA but it seems likely that that work around would work.
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June 04, 2016, 01:40:20 PM
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   Well back to a very simple question  to bitmaintech:


  Please confirm if you restricted your miner's pool choices?

I doubt that in the final analysis it will be so, but if it is, then bitcoin as a whole might be f-ed up as a result, unless it changes the POW to GPU or to POS.

I also doubt it very much. People have a long history of spreading FUD when it comes to Bitmain hardware and mining pools...
Well then I'll describe it in more detail so that people will learn why to ignore your comment.

The stratum protocol has a set of 'methods' involved in connecting to a pool and starting mining.
They do NOT include the new, undocumented, unknown 'method' Bitmain has added to the S9 called "mining.multi_version"

In CKPool we don't allow random changes/additions to the stratum protocol to "just work".
Thus the change means that until we implement a change in CKPool to ignore it, after somehow finding out somewhere what exactly it is, you can't mine on any CKPool pools.
I have no idea what other pools do, you'd have to ask them.
CKPool pools are only around 5% of the bitcoin network as far as I know, though it could be higher ... since BWPool used it at one stage and there was some talk about Bitfury considering it at one stage.
(Yes someone has pointed an S9 at 2 large CKPools)

Do you allow random changes/additions to the bitcoin protocol to "just work" on your pool?
No.
Why would you allow random changes/additions to the stratum protocol to "just work"?

As for the actual change:

Bitmain's cgminer git:
https://github.com/bitmaintech/cgminer

Notice any of the new code in there? No.
They are required by the cgminer license to make it available to anyone who has an S9.

What haven't they done? Type one single simple command to update the public git.

What's the usual excuse given to me by Bitmain employees each time this happens?
They're too busy, they'll get around to it later.
Too busy to type one command ... ... ... ... for code that's already compiled and live in the S9.

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June 04, 2016, 01:54:45 PM
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as of now the S9 wont work on CKPool.
Any pool that allows the miner to send random rubbish during connection will allow it.

Thus the change means that until we implement a change in CKPool to ignore it, after somehow finding out somewhere what exactly it is, you can't mine on any CKPool pools.
I have no idea what other pools do, you'd have to ask them.

We get it.  CKPool won't work with the Antminer S9 by default at this time.  It is a shame Bitmain doesn't respect software licensing.  No need to take it any further than that.

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June 04, 2016, 08:01:06 PM
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14Th/s sounds like a nice big number. I threw it into a mining calculator and even with free electricity and the halving reward put in it would take 200+ days. But that is with a fixed a difficulty.

I feel sorry for the folks that will end up buying one of these at the price they're currently at.

I'm hoping, either, higher hashing power machines come out, or they are made and sold cheaper.

Back in my day Bitcoin used to cost $69
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