Drug free in the Philippines

[popcorn1]

Overall, this suggests that removing criminal penalties for personal drug possession did not cause an increase in levels of drug use. This tallies with a significant body of evidence from around the world that shows the enforcement of criminal drug laws has, at best, a marginal impact in deterring people from using drugs.17 18 19 There is essentially no relationship between the punitiveness of a country’s drug laws and its rates of drug use. Instead, drug use tends to rise and fall in line with broader cultural, social or economic trends.

Crime
 
Despite claims to the contrary,34 decriminalisation appears to have had a positive effect on crime. With its recategorisation of low-level drug possession as an administrative rather than criminal offence, decriminalisation inevitably produced a reduction in the number of people arrested and sent to criminal court for drug offences – from over 14,000 in the year 2000, to around 5,500-6,000 per year once the policy had come into effect.35 The proportion of drug-related offenders (defined as those who committed offences under the influence of drugs and/or to fund drug consumption) in the Portuguese prison population also declined, from 44% in 1999, to just under 21% in 2012.36
 
Additionally, decriminalisation does not appear to have caused an increase in crimes typically associated with drugs. While opportunistic thefts and robberies had gone up when measured in 2004, it has been suggested that this may have been because police were able to use the time saved by no longer arresting drug users to tackle (and record) other low-level crimes.37 Although difficult to test, this theory is perhaps supported by the fact that, during the same period, there was a reduction in recorded cases of other, more complex crimes typically committed by people who are dependent on drugs, such as thefts from homes and businesses.

Homicides
 
A widely repeated claim is that, as a result of Portugal’s decriminalisation policy, drug-related homicides increased 40% between 2001 and 2006.29 30 But this claim is based on a misrepresentation of the evidence. The 40% increase (from 105 to 148) was for all homicides, defined as any ‘intentional killing of a person, including murder, manslaughter, euthanasia and infanticide’31 – they were not ‘drug-related’. In fact, there are no data collected for drug-related homicides.
 
This claim stems from the 2009 World Drug Report, in which the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime speculated that the increase in homicides ‘might be related to [drug] trafficking.’32 However, neither the UNODC nor anyone else has proposed a causal mechanism by which the decriminalisation policy could have produced this rise, and given that the policy did not include any changes to how drug trafficking offences were dealt with, the possibility of such a link seems highly implausible. Furthermore, Portugal’s homicide rate has since declined to roughly what it was in 2002.3

Deaths
 
Some have argued that, since 2001, drug-related deaths in Portugal either remained constant or actually increased.26 However, these claims are based on the number of people who died with traces of any illicit drug in their body, rather than the number of people who died as a result of the use of an illicit drug.27
 
Given an individual can die with traces of drugs in their body without this being the cause of their death, it is the second number – derived from clinical assessments made by physicians, rather than post-mortem toxicological tests – that is the standard, internationally accepted measure of drug-related deaths. And according to this measure, deaths due to drug use have decreased significantly – from approximately 80 in 2001, to 16 in 2012.28

Health
 
It has been claimed that the prevalence of drug-related infectious diseases rose after decriminalisation,20 yet this is strongly contradicted by the evidence. Although the number of newly diagnosed HIV cases among people who inject drugs in Portugal is well above the European average,21 it has declined dramatically over the past decade, falling from 1,016 to 56 between 2001 and 2012.22 Over the same period, the number of new cases of AIDS among people who inject drugs also decreased, from 568 to 38.23 A similar, downward trend has been observed for cases of Hepatitis C and B among clients of drug treatment centres,24 despite an increase in the number of people seeking treatment.25

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[Sithara007]

Lesser penalties also mean that this could be taking advantage. People just continue to use and sell and kill each other because they arent afraid anymore of the penalties so obviously it becomes useless in the first place

Why don't you look at the advantages of decriminalization? The drug users will come out of the closet and the government will be able to monitor them. This will reduce the number of deaths from drug overdose and HIV infections.

Just look too the disadvantage of it.How you know that drug users will come out?And if that happens drug users use drugs in public and children will see it and if you have children you can explain to them what they doing?And how do you know that government can monitor them?And the government want their country called as drugs users sanctuary.I didn't know why you promoting drugs to legalize.

Legalizing drugs is not the same as promoting them. If you want people to stay away from drugs, then you need to introduce better awareness. Identifying the drug users is one of the most important steps in this. And drug usage has declined in all the countries, where drugs were legalized.

[Okurkabinladin]

Popcorn,

I will return to this topic later in more indepth review, but for now, I have to say, that your view is full of personal bias, that completely disregard human lives. Sorry.

Indeed I see nothing wrong with substances themselves, but alot of wrong with human nature.

Like in Mexico or Afghanistan, whole industry headed by local warlords grew around drug making and distribution in Phillipines, creating parallel society, that distrups and debilitates state as a whole. That IS a problem.

Official figures state, that 1000 people per month die of injuries in this drug war. Not of usage itself mind you. In a ongoing street war for "territory".

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/12/asia/philippines-death-toll-drug-war/

[GreenBits]

Lesser penalties also mean that this could be taking advantage. People just continue to use and sell and kill each other because they arent afraid anymore of the penalties so obviously it becomes useless in the first place

Why don't you look at the advantages of decriminalization? The drug users will come out of the closet and the government will be able to monitor them. This will reduce the number of deaths from drug overdose and HIV infections.

Just look too the disadvantage of it.How you know that drug users will come out?And if that happens drug users use drugs in public and children will see it and if you have children you can explain to them what they doing?And how do you know that government can monitor them?And the government want their country called as drugs users sanctuary.I didn't know why you promoting drugs to legalize.

Legalizing drugs is not the same as promoting them. If you want people to stay away from drugs, then you need to introduce better awareness. Identifying the drug users is one of the most important steps in this. And drug usage has declined in all the countries, where drugs were legalized.

Identifying the drug users?    Okay after that if we identified the drug users what next? And how you know if they cooperate? if they know that drugs is legal now.You didn't know what is the effect of drugs on our life.You want to know why I hate drugs?

[Sithara007]

Identifying the drug users?    Okay after that if we identified the drug users what next? And how you know if they cooperate? if they know that drugs is legal now.You didn't know what is the effect of drugs on our life.You want to know why I hate drugs?

Once they are identified, then they should be shown various documentary films showing medial conditions resulting from the usage of hard drugs. Also, they should be encouraged to participate in the drug-substitution therapy. Hard drugs can be replaced with the soft drugs. For example, heroin can be replaced with methadone.

[loreykyutt05]

Lesser penalties also mean that this could be taking advantage. People just continue to use and sell and kill each other because they arent afraid anymore of the penalties so obviously it becomes useless in the first place

Why don't you look at the advantages of decriminalization? The drug users will come out of the closet and the government will be able to monitor them. This will reduce the number of deaths from drug overdose and HIV infections.

Just look too the disadvantage of it.How you know that drug users will come out?And if that happens drug users use drugs in public and children will see it and if you have children you can explain to them what they doing?And how do you know that government can monitor them?And the government want their country called as drugs users sanctuary.I didn't know why you promoting drugs to legalize.

Legalizing drugs is not the same as promoting them. If you want people to stay away from drugs, then you need to introduce better awareness. Identifying the drug users is one of the most important steps in this. And drug usage has declined in all the countries, where drugs were legalized.

Identifying the drug users?    Okay after that if we identified the drug users what next? And how you know if they cooperate? if they know that drugs is legal now.You didn't know what is the effect of drugs on our life.You want to know why I hate drugs?

Just saying those words, we cannot eliminate those drug users, but we must eliminate those drug dealers to avoid drug users to buy. If there are no supply of drugs, then all of the drug users will have no drug supplies. All of us know why we are hate drugs, but the mind set of drug users is only they want happiness, and to relieve pain, but they abuse themselves, and they overuse the drugs.

[sportis]

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Legalizing drugs is not the same as promoting them. If you want people to stay away from drugs, then you need to introduce better awareness. Identifying the drug users is one of the most important steps in this. And drug usage has declined in all the countries, where drugs were legalized.

Some people may disagree with me, but I have a different attitude about the legalization of drugs. In countries which have already implemented the decriminalization the results were not encouraging enough. The use of drugs was not an intrusive behavior so the users were increased, which resulted in more deaths. Some Scandinavian countries, had implemented practices to decriminalize the drugs. So the drugs were possible to administer under prescription. After two years and because the results of this effort have increased twice the drug users, these countries were forced to withdraw their programs.

[darklus123]

the reality here in the philippines is that if you are rich, you can always have a lawyer to protect you from the accusations. you can go under trials and other things just to make yourself inocent. while if you are poor, you have no right to justify yourself. you will be in the prison that fast. or even if you are rich and get to prison, you will have a special treatment like you are just in a 5 star hotel.

Lol. Maybe before but now are different stories. I bet you remembered to what to the father of kerwin an convicted druglord. As you can see there were no trial for him to justify himself. Public attorney's office right now are doing pretty much good work anyways.

 or even if you are rich and get to prison, you will have a special treatment like you are just in a 5 star hotel.  Again, this was on the past administrations. If you know a rich person who's in prison right now that is living like a king inside the prison then you should name it

[zuyfg888]

the reality here in the philippines is that if you are rich, you can always have a lawyer to protect you from the accusations. you can go under trials and other things just to make yourself inocent. while if you are poor, you have no right to justify yourself. you will be in the prison that fast. or even if you are rich and get to prison, you will have a special treatment like you are just in a 5 star hotel.

Lol. Maybe before but now are different stories. I bet you remembered to what to the father of kerwin an convicted druglord. As you can see there were no trial for him to justify himself. Public attorney's office right now are doing pretty much good work anyways.

 or even if you are rich and get to prison, you will have a special treatment like you are just in a 5 star hotel.  Again, this was on the past administrations. If you know a rich person who's in prison right now that is living like a king inside the prison then you should name it

I think, what is the most powerful is our politicians, we know that some politicians are the one who protected the drug lords. We must push through those who are involve in drugs, we must not protect those who committed crimes, and who are those drug addicts too.

[Sithara007]

Just saying those words, we cannot eliminate those drug users, but we must eliminate those drug dealers to avoid drug users to buy. If there are no supply of drugs, then all of the drug users will have no drug supplies. All of us know why we are hate drugs, but the mind set of drug users is only they want happiness, and to relieve pain, but they abuse themselves, and they overuse the drugs.

This will never work. Drug addicts can't live without the supply of drugs. They will become violent, if they don't get the supplies. If they could be identified, we could treat them with less harmful drugs such as methadone. Else, they will start preparing drugs on their own. In Russia, when they made it hard for the drug addicts to get heroin, the addicts started to manufacture Krokodil from codeine pills. And Krokodil is much more harmful than heroin.

[Kvazimoda]

Just saying those words, we cannot eliminate those drug users, but we must eliminate those drug dealers to avoid drug users to buy. If there are no supply of drugs, then all of the drug users will have no drug supplies. All of us know why we are hate drugs, but the mind set of drug users is only they want happiness, and to relieve pain, but they abuse themselves, and they overuse the drugs.

This will never work. Drug addicts can't live without the supply of drugs. They will become violent, if they don't get the supplies. If they could be identified, we could treat them with less harmful drugs such as methadone. Else, they will start preparing drugs on their own. In Russia, when they made it hard for the drug addicts to get heroin, the addicts started to manufacture Krokodil from codeine pills. And Krokodil is much more harmful than heroin.

Methadone is also not the way out. I believe that all drug addicts should be forcibly treated for drug addiction. However, they should not just located in the clinic, and forced to work and earn for treatment themselves.

[burner2014]

the reality here in the philippines is that if you are rich, you can always have a lawyer to protect you from the accusations. you can go under trials and other things just to make yourself inocent. while if you are poor, you have no right to justify yourself. you will be in the prison that fast. or even if you are rich and get to prison, you will have a special treatment like you are just in a 5 star hotel.

Lol. Maybe before but now are different stories. I bet you remembered to what to the father of kerwin an convicted druglord. As you can see there were no trial for him to justify himself. Public attorney's office right now are doing pretty much good work anyways.

 or even if you are rich and get to prison, you will have a special treatment like you are just in a 5 star hotel.  Again, this was on the past administrations. If you know a rich person who's in prison right now that is living like a king inside the prison then you should name it

I think, what is the most powerful is our politicians, we know that some politicians are the one who protected the drug lords. We must push through those who are involve in drugs, we must not protect those who committed crimes, and who are those drug addicts too.

That is the reason why Philippines is one of the most corrupt country in the world, it is a shame but this is the truth. We have a good leader that wanted to have a good nation but what other politicians do is to move him down, I can't really think that there are people who wanted to be rich in the illegal aspect thinking that we are going to die someday and we cannot bring our money after death.

[v1ryspro]

the reality here in the philippines is that if you are rich, you can always have a lawyer to protect you from the accusations. you can go under trials and other things just to make yourself inocent. while if you are poor, you have no right to justify yourself. you will be in the prison that fast. or even if you are rich and get to prison, you will have a special treatment like you are just in a 5 star hotel.

Lol. Maybe before but now are different stories. I bet you remembered to what to the father of kerwin an convicted druglord. As you can see there were no trial for him to justify himself. Public attorney's office right now are doing pretty much good work anyways.

 or even if you are rich and get to prison, you will have a special treatment like you are just in a 5 star hotel.  Again, this was on the past administrations. If you know a rich person who's in prison right now that is living like a king inside the prison then you should name it

I think, what is the most powerful is our politicians, we know that some politicians are the one who protected the drug lords. We must push through those who are involve in drugs, we must not protect those who committed crimes, and who are those drug addicts too.

That is the reason why Philippines is one of the most corrupt country in the world, it is a shame but this is the truth. We have a good leader that wanted to have a good nation but what other politicians do is to move him down, I can't really think that there are people who wanted to be rich in the illegal aspect thinking that we are going to die someday and we cannot bring our money after death.

There can not be such so bad people was a good leader. This is nonsense! The leader of the Philippines comes from the Philippines. He is part of the people. What he's trying to find a way out of difficult situation is good, but the methods...

[Aleister Crowley]

the reality here in the philippines is that if you are rich, you can always have a lawyer to protect you from the accusations. you can go under trials and other things just to make yourself inocent. while if you are poor, you have no right to justify yourself. you will be in the prison that fast. or even if you are rich and get to prison, you will have a special treatment like you are just in a 5 star hotel.

Lol. Maybe before but now are different stories. I bet you remembered to what to the father of kerwin an convicted druglord. As you can see there were no trial for him to justify himself. Public attorney's office right now are doing pretty much good work anyways.

 or even if you are rich and get to prison, you will have a special treatment like you are just in a 5 star hotel.  Again, this was on the past administrations. If you know a rich person who's in prison right now that is living like a king inside the prison then you should name it

I think, what is the most powerful is our politicians, we know that some politicians are the one who protected the drug lords. We must push through those who are involve in drugs, we must not protect those who committed crimes, and who are those drug addicts too.

That is the reason why Philippines is one of the most corrupt country in the world, it is a shame but this is the truth. We have a good leader that wanted to have a good nation but what other politicians do is to move him down, I can't really think that there are people who wanted to be rich in the illegal aspect thinking that we are going to die someday and we cannot bring our money after death.

Yes, I agree, we are always the focus of the drug crimes but not focusing on the people who protect the crime, there have been many campaigns about the dangers of drugs but that's not enough, there must be a perfect measures, we will not be able to kill a drug without killing people who protect drug crimes. I read the article about drugs in the Philippines, drug crimes in the Philippines has indeed could not be controlled, if it continues to be left, Philippines will be worse by these circumstances. in this case the intervention of powerful people, they could protect drug crimes. not only in the Philippines, the other countries have the same problems and They also could not kill the drug. so there has to be a bold move by the Government to destroy the drugs.

[ovvidiy]

the reality here in the philippines is that if you are rich, you can always have a lawyer to protect you from the accusations. you can go under trials and other things just to make yourself inocent. while if you are poor, you have no right to justify yourself. you will be in the prison that fast. or even if you are rich and get to prison, you will have a special treatment like you are just in a 5 star hotel.

Lol. Maybe before but now are different stories. I bet you remembered to what to the father of kerwin an convicted druglord. As you can see there were no trial for him to justify himself. Public attorney's office right now are doing pretty much good work anyways.

 or even if you are rich and get to prison, you will have a special treatment like you are just in a 5 star hotel.  Again, this was on the past administrations. If you know a rich person who's in prison right now that is living like a king inside the prison then you should name it

I think, what is the most powerful is our politicians, we know that some politicians are the one who protected the drug lords. We must push through those who are involve in drugs, we must not protect those who committed crimes, and who are those drug addicts too.

That is the reason why Philippines is one of the most corrupt country in the world, it is a shame but this is the truth. We have a good leader that wanted to have a good nation but what other politicians do is to move him down, I can't really think that there are people who wanted to be rich in the illegal aspect thinking that we are going to die someday and we cannot bring our money after death.

Yes, I agree, we are always the focus of the drug crimes but not focusing on the people who protect the crime, there have been many campaigns about the dangers of drugs but that's not enough, there must be a perfect measures, we will not be able to kill a drug without killing people who protect drug crimes. I read the article about drugs in the Philippines, drug crimes in the Philippines has indeed could not be controlled, if it continues to be left, Philippines will be worse by these circumstances. in this case the intervention of powerful people, they could protect drug crimes. not only in the Philippines, the other countries have the same problems and They also could not kill the drug. so there has to be a bold move by the Government to destroy the drugs.

Drug does not need to fight in such methods. It is a social disease. If unemployment in the country and the people have nothing to earn money they turn to drugs. I think you need to start with combating unemployment.

[ifightformerkel]

I dont know what do you find amazing about killing people.

He will dont do it, because he is killing the people who use drugs,
but i think that he must do something about the people who fill this country with drugs and not again the people who use it.

[popcorn1]

Popcorn,

I will return to this topic later in more indepth review, but for now, I have to say, that your view is full of personal bias, that completely disregard human lives. Sorry.

Indeed I see nothing wrong with substances themselves, but alot of wrong with human nature.

Like in Mexico or Afghanistan, whole industry headed by local warlords grew around drug making and distribution in Phillipines, creating parallel society, that distrups and debilitates state as a whole. That IS a problem.

Official figures state, that 1000 people per month die of injuries in this drug war. Not of usage itself mind you. In a ongoing street war for "territory".

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/12/asia/philippines-death-toll-drug-war/

You will kill more and more and more because it will never stop..POVERTY..Makes people become addicts..Escape to somewhere else..

If your government makes them legal and buys this drug and sells it to the people the government makes the profits..
Also they could sell it much cheaper so no need to steal for it because it cost so much cheaper..

Big Pharma Now Kills More People Than Illegal Drugs - Your News Wire
yournewswire.com › News
4 Sep 2016 - Big Pharma Now Kills More People Than Illegal Drugs ... an average of 23,000 deaths relating to prescription pharmaceutical drugs per year in the USA.

Do you see people killing or breaking in somebodies home for a box of co codimol?..LEGAL DRUGS ..

Alcohol do you see people getting stuck up for a bottle of beer?..MORE DIE WITH ALCOHOL ..Legal high drink gets you stoned ..

Now from police corruption to now inviting the army on the streets you will now have ARMY CORRUPTION ..

Your in poverty people will do anything for money even selling drugs..Even your army general has a price..WHY?..Because your poor..

You will never win the drug war not ever..SO CARRY ON KILLING ..And it will get worse and worse and worse..
To much money in drugs and the fact your country is poor you got no chance to win the war on drugs..

And even the rich like a little go at drugs now and then..So the fight against drugs is a waste of money..

If someone chooses to take drugs it's his choice..But if it affects everyone else around him that's not right..
Now what is the main problem with drugs?..GETTING THE MONEY TO PAY FOR THESE DRUGS..So they do crime to buy it..
Then the turf wars and innocent people can get caught up in it..

So Chemist shops could sell it legal..make profits back to the government..No money wasted on jails for drugs..
And loads of money needed for police..
Then build a place they can take these drugs..

Now if weed would of been made legal in the first place you might of not seen an explosion in hard cheaper drugs..

YOU WILL NEVER WIN THE DRUG WAR NOT EVER..Unless you stick a guard outside every ones home in your country..
Total lock down..BUT how will you pay for this?..I got a suggestion DRUGS ..A joke by the way..

[popcorn1]

DRUGS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM.
               POVERTY IS^

^

[chixka000]

Popcorn,

I will return to this topic later in more indepth review, but for now, I have to say, that your view is full of personal bias, that completely disregard human lives. Sorry.

Indeed I see nothing wrong with substances themselves, but alot of wrong with human nature.

Like in Mexico or Afghanistan, whole industry headed by local warlords grew around drug making and distribution in Phillipines, creating parallel society, that distrups and debilitates state as a whole. That IS a problem.

Official figures state, that 1000 people per month die of injuries in this drug war. Not of usage itself mind you. In a ongoing street war for "territory".

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/12/asia/philippines-death-toll-drug-war/

You will kill more and more and more because it will never stop..POVERTY..Makes people become addicts..Escape to somewhere else..

If your government makes them legal and buys this drug and sells it to the people the government makes the profits..
Also they could sell it much cheaper so no need to steal for it because it cost so much cheaper..

Big Pharma Now Kills More People Than Illegal Drugs - Your News Wire
yournewswire.com › News
4 Sep 2016 - Big Pharma Now Kills More People Than Illegal Drugs ... an average of 23,000 deaths relating to prescription pharmaceutical drugs per year in the USA.

Do you see people killing or breaking in somebodies home for a box of co codimol?..LEGAL DRUGS ..

Alcohol do you see people getting stuck up for a bottle of beer?..MORE DIE WITH ALCOHOL ..Legal high drink gets you stoned ..

Now from police corruption to now inviting the army on the streets you will now have ARMY CORRUPTION ..

Your in poverty people will do anything for money even selling drugs..Even your army general has a price..WHY?..Because your poor..

You will never win the drug war not ever..SO CARRY ON KILLING ..And it will get worse and worse and worse..
To much money in drugs and the fact your country is poor you got no chance to win the war on drugs..

And even the rich like a little go at drugs now and then..So the fight against drugs is a waste of money..

If someone chooses to take drugs it's his choice..But if it affects everyone else around him that's not right..
Now what is the main problem with drugs?..GETTING THE MONEY TO PAY FOR THESE DRUGS..So they do crime to buy it..
Then the turf wars and innocent people can get caught up in it..

So Chemist shops could sell it legal..make profits back to the government..No money wasted on jails for drugs..
And loads of money needed for police..
Then build a place they can take these drugs..

Now if weed would of been made legal in the first place you might of not seen an explosion in hard cheaper drugs..

YOU WILL NEVER WIN THE DRUG WAR NOT EVER..Unless you stick a guard outside every ones home in your country..
Total lock down..BUT how will you pay for this?..I got a suggestion DRUGS ..A joke by the way..

Tho you have point. Still dont consider legalizing drug unless you were using as well it could be a benefit of you. I cannot see any point also of comparing alcohol to illegal drugs except those natural drugs like marijuana. You really can never win drugs but you can control it there is no such as 100% but 90% is reachable

[basesaw]

Lesser penalties also mean that this could be taking advantage. People just continue to use and sell and kill each other because they arent afraid anymore of the penalties so obviously it becomes useless in the first place

Why don't you look at the advantages of decriminalization? The drug users will come out of the closet and the government will be able to monitor them. This will reduce the number of deaths from drug overdose and HIV infections.

Just look too the disadvantage of it.How you know that drug users will come out?And if that happens drug users use drugs in public and children will see it and if you have children you can explain to them what they doing?And how do you know that government can monitor them?And the government want their country called as drugs users sanctuary.I didn't know why you promoting drugs to legalize.

Legalizing drugs is not the same as promoting them. If you want people to stay away from drugs, then you need to introduce better awareness. Identifying the drug users is one of the most important steps in this. And drug usage has declined in all the countries, where drugs were legalized.

but legalizing drugs will be sure to be the head news not only here in the philippines but i think also in some part of the world. we all know that illegal drugs will not lead us to good but instead illegal drugs will just lead us to do bad things or worst doing crimes. so if illegal drugs will be legalized here in our country maybe some addicts from other country will go here in do the said activity.