Claymore's ZCash/BTG AMD GPU Miner v12.6 (Windows/Linux)

[zawawa]

Keep calm people. It may be just a rumor.

Did you actually read the original post by mrb?
The accusation of copyright infringement directly came from the original author, and the evidence seems conclusive.
This is no small matter.

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[delle54]

Maybe or not. Claymore puts alot of work in his software. Just wait till he responds to the acusations.

[xeridea]

gpu-z only shows draw from pcie, which I think for newer cards is mostly memory related

Even so, If I'm getting 35 sols drawing 40w and someone else is getting 50 sols drawing 100w how can that be irrelevant?

You do the math  

PS: I pay for my electric bill!

cards do not draw 100 watts from the pcie slot. so when you add your 40 watts from pcie slot to the draw from the 6 pin it probably is around an 85 watt sum.

It is relevant when comparing similar cards.  It is misleading to most though.  It is GPU ONLY draw.  There is more power used by voltage regulation, GDDR5 chips, the rest of the board, etc.  So total card draw may be like 30-50w more.  System power draw will include CPU, ram, mobo, etc.  At the wall will be higher due to efficiency of the PSU (typically 85-92%);  So your system may be more like *(40+30)*6+50)*1.15 = 540w at the wall, which would avg 90w per card.

Stock 480 8G uses ~165 (total of card, not at wall), while gaming, but GPU only power draw may show perhaps 120w.  So while it is relevant, it is best used comparing same series cards, or perhaps like 470 vs 480.

It is hard to isolate total card power draw without metering the cables going to it.

[Xardas2014]

Maybe or not. Claymore puts alot of work in his software. Just wait till he responds to the acusations.

The point is you don't actually know how much work Claymore puts into his software releases. Inspection of "his" code reveals it is someone else's, at least in part. So my question to you is simple.......how do you know what is his work and someone else's? Did you disassemble his release? Are you doubting mrb's claims?

[delle54]

Did you disassemble his release?

Did you?

[Calivet]

Dumping zec as soon as you mined it doesn't make any sense to me either.  The availability of zec is still under 2k. When zec went live there was less than 3 coins on the market therefore driving the demand up to 5k. Limited supply, high demand = decent price. There is no reason for the price to plummet this far.

 I believe the same concept still applies. There is still a limited amount of zec coin available to be mined by miners and to be traded on the market. If you dump your zec coins for cheap then you are just shooting yourself in the foot. You would be mining a coin that is drastically losing vaule. I don't think everyone who is mining zec understand that it will not make them millions or even thousands of dollars if they continue to mine and dump. There is just not enough supply at this stage of "slow low block payment" of zec.

Everyone is free to make their own decision. They can mine and dump. It's a free country!

However, I will caution that if we, as miners don't hold on the price of zec, we will drive it to the ground before we can even get 13.5 zec per block chain. We will all jump back on the ETH boat because it will be the most profitable coin to mine, driving the diff bomb back to 100t plus. Then what? What happens when ETH goes POS. Which coins will we chase next?

[Xardas2014]

Did you disassemble his release?

Did you?

Answering a question with a question gives me your answer

[sorry2xs]

It's a good thing he is not the Nazarene his minions would have taken him to the cross already, in this day and age  Heroes need lawyers and body guards IMO.

[Calivet]

As to the accusations. The code is open source? So claymore could use the code but has to give credit to where credit is due? What exactly does the original dev want?

[delle54]

Answering a question with a question gives me your answer

That's the answer to my question. You haven't done it :-)

[Xardas2014]

Answering a question with a question gives me your answer

That's the answer to my question. You haven't done it :-)

What kind of dumbass noob are you exactly? THE FUCKING AUTHOR OF THE CODE DID!

[xeridea]

My point was not the holding.  But when the value was up there.. when it was 800+ buyers and only 300+ coins the sellers still fucking dropped the value.  They do not know how to do supply and demand and keep the price up.  Should of set something like minimum sell to 1.8 BTC or something.  It would of remained up there in value than if the sellers would work at setting a standard price. But no even when there was less coins to buy than buyers the price was plummeting down because seller wanted to sell quickly than priced it lower than everyone else.. and the next one repeated process and the price just kept getting cheaper and cheaper.

In the beginning it was not so bad.. price would plummet but the coins ran out the dump sellers had. than the price would skyrocket back up!  But than it has gotten to be more coins than buyers and sellers had kept plummeting the price.  I won't be surprised if the coin becomes worthless because sellers are impatient to sell and will not wait and set there price lower than everyone else keeping the downward spiral.

ZCash should of kept a 1:1 with BTC.  Buyers buy ZCash to do there anonymous transactions than cash out in BTC.  Keeping amount near the same but instead just have a bunch of miners that want to sell so fast they they set there value one point lower.. price now becomes new price.. next seller does same.. price becomes new price.. repeat, repeat, repeat.  Miners would have to work together and set the lowest value and not go any lower to get a standard limit set.  But it will not happen as everyone wants to quick dump.. back in the spike period I would set a sell target price that was high and during the spike I would end up selling it.

The reason for the insane prices at start is hype, and ludicrously low supply.  If there is only like 1 coin in the world, it will be worth a lot. Now there are thousands, or course price will be lower. People posting that everyone should hold are either retarded and don't understand supply and demand, and some other concepts, or are just wanting others to hold so they can sell.

Sure if EVERY SINGLE MINER, pool operator, and Chinese farm on the planet held, price might stay high longer, but if this was the case, it would be ludicrously profitable for any of thousands of miners to sell.  Any investor could mine a few fractions of a coin on his laptop, and make a killing with no risk. It isn't smart to hoard all your coins when they lose a ton of value per day.  Everyone is free to make their own choices.  If someone mines 0.01 Zec, them holding will be drops in a bucket, so it likely won't affect price either way.

Reguarding the first few hours.  It is completely and absurdly insane to believe the value would hold at $40,000 per coin, and so it is extremely risky to try to hold.

The reason for the price going down is almost entirely a factor of the increasing reward, and coins mined.

[xeridea]

Keep calm people. It may be just a rumor.

It isn't a rumor when the author of part of the code clearly says his code has been infringed without due credit.

The author of the code can't know if it was infringed without seeing the source.  The authors solver is slower, uses more VRAM, uses a lot more CPU, and PCIe bandwidth, runs on fewer cards, and crashes a lot. Why would you want to copy that?

[delle54]

What kind of dumbass noob are you exactly?

I am just somebody, that has been programming since about 1975

[Xardas2014]

Keep calm people. It may be just a rumor.

It isn't a rumor when the author of part of the code clearly says his code has been infringed without due credit.

The author of the code can't know if it was infringed without seeing the source.  The authors solver is slower, uses more VRAM, uses a lot more CPU, and PCIe bandwidth, runs on fewer cards, and crashes a lot. Why would you want to copy that?

The author of the code was able to see part of it. Claymore got in a rush to release a linux version and didn't secure the release from partial inspection. That inspection found direct copying of code without permission from the author of that code or credit given under the MIT license.

[xeridea]

Claymore, do you feel you are entitled to rip / use other people's code in your miner?

https://forum.z.cash/t/silentarmy-v3-now-a-full-miner-multi-gpu-stratum/3580/641

Ouch! Claymore could have just included the copyright notice and there wouldn't have been any problems...
silentarmy's optimization is actually pretty clever, and the original author definitely deserves a credit.

This makes you wonder how much of other people's code Claymore steals without giving credit.
Other of his binaries are "packed" to avoid disassembling. Gee, I wonder what he is hiding.

If the binary is easy to disassemble, it would be easy for someone to take out the dev fee, and then he wouldn't get paid, and have reason to make us great miners. There is this guy that sells private miners, AND after you buy it, you have a crazy high dev fee on top of that. Lets all pay him instead!!!

[corather]

Keep calm people. It may be just a rumor.

It isn't a rumor when the author of part of the code clearly says his code has been infringed without due credit.

The author of the code can't know if it was infringed without seeing the source.  The authors solver is slower, uses more VRAM, uses a lot more CPU, and PCIe bandwidth, runs on fewer cards, and crashes a lot. Why would you want to copy that?

The author of the code was able to see part of it. Claymore got in a rush to release a linux version and didn't secure the release from partial inspection. That inspection found direct copying of code without permission from the author of that code or credit given under the MIT license.

Sounds to me more like professional jealously.

[mrb]

The author of the code can't know if it was infringed without seeing the source.

I am the author. And yes it was infringed. I can know with 100% confidence, without seeing claymore's full source.

How can I know? Because part of his source leaked in his binary. We can see the content of the assert statements, the name of the variables in these asserts, he name of the functions, the order, type, and number of arguments. Everything matches perfectly my blake.c implementation. And I wrote it myself, from scratch, with no inspiration from anyone else.

Now, I don't personally believe Claymore copied all of silentarmy. I think he just took blake.c which is only ~100 lines of code. That's why his miner is way different than mine.

The authors solver is slower, uses more VRAM, uses a lot more CPU, and PCIe bandwidth, runs on fewer cards, and crashes a lot. Why would you want to copy that?

Actually Silentarmy is faster (by a hair) than Claymore's But I do use more CPU and more PCIe bandwidth :-(

That said, I encourage everybody to CHILL OUT here. I didn't want this issue to be public in the first place (I messaged Claymore privately), but some started discussing here... Give Claymore time to respond. All he has to do is include a copyright notice in his miner, and he will be compliant with the MIT license. That's all.

[zawawa]

Yeah, if the original author's code is right in Claymore's binary file, it's pretty difficult to argue against that...

[Xardas2014]

What kind of dumbass noob are you exactly?

I am just somebody, that has been programming since about 1975

GREAT! Since you are familiar with code, have a look at the linux release and give us your expert opinion as to whether code was copied