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November 06, 2016, 09:42:05 AM
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I think it would be best to both parties and to all miners if this would just be for free. Without the dev fees.
Please remove the dev fees in your zcash miner @Claymore. Just let it be for the public and all of us miners will appreciate you more and I think @mrb would have no objection to that.

Please remove the dev fees. Just this once.
Thank you.


Sorry to say. He has a product the kicks butt. I realize pools for ZEC are charging 4% that will lessen some with competition.....add this 2.5% and it looks steep together at 6.5%

but again. IF your product rocks why would you not charge 2.5% and code this mess for free. That is just silly. He also charged for the ETH versions.

From what I understand his previous mining stuff for ETH was 1%. This being a new coin and more of a gamble...he up'd the amount for the risk/time he put in.

Anyway...if this does NOT work out for him and others have your view and they all beat a path someplace else..well hell he may then lessen his fee at some point.

But no fee at all ....don't be silly Smiley

Also imho by getting such out NOW rather then later. (ie free as time permits no rush) anyone mining GPU's is probably gonna make out way way ahead mining NOW with stuff that
works at this speed way way way above the curve and the 2.5% fee is a non issue. Then again it could all go beanie baby by next Wednesday and everyone has other concerns then.

Anyway its his time....it is his way to price.....if it is too high others will also make code as good  then that will 'encourage' him to maybe lower his prices then.

but again....don't like it use something else imho ..not a slam..just how I see his situation and pricing at this time etc

 


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November 06, 2016, 09:45:01 AM
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https://forum.z.cash/uploads/zcash/original/2X/e/e1fcb5b08910fcc7b461495a70e7777d6e725f86.png

opencl kernel name
mrb                               Claymore
kernel_init_ht                kt
kernel_round0               kr0
kernel_round1               kr1
kernel_round2               kr2
......

you used opencl blake solve_equihash...

small Huh

I had to remove v1.0 and v1.1 from google drive and mega, because I was pointed that I used a small part of mrb's work.

used a small Huh

you used all mrb's work.

zcash_blake2b_init
mrb:
https://forum.z.cash/uploads/zcash/original/2X/d/d31391cb4322780a846f37bcc12e204801088f78.jpg
claymore:
https://forum.z.cash/uploads/zcash/original/2X/6/61b8e7613c2989ef356c81aec8993e6e3039cbdc.jpg

zcash_blake2b_update
mrb:
https://forum.z.cash/uploads/zcash/original/2X/7/726cd836dd65080358be0bbc3c674784ad84e52b.png
claymore:
https://forum.z.cash/uploads/zcash/original/2X/f/fe0019f4d3fa52b834d4e7ba91e17ed4349b2251.png

solve_equihash
mrb:
https://forum.z.cash/uploads/zcash/original/2X/6/670d2ed87ccca99edb255812335e6d54f24a3477.jpg
claymore:
https://forum.z.cash/uploads/zcash/original/2X/d/d856f9a8a9c4991e5be94121d00e03859123e1fe.jpg

sub_413330   zcash_blake2b_init
sub_413420   zcash_blake2b_update
sub_40AD00  solve_equihash




I had to remove v1.0 and v1.1 from google drive and mega, because I was pointed that I used a small part of mrb's work.
It will take up to 24 hours to revise my code and create own implementation, then I will upload updated version.


Details are:

Code:
mrb> Claymore, you took and reused my blake.c code and didn't include the copyright notice as required by silentarmy's MIT license:
mrb> https://forum.z.cash/t/silentarmy-v3-now-a-full-miner-multi-gpu-stratum/3580/640
mrb> I request that you cease infringing by:
mrb> (1) either including the full "License" section of silentarmy's README.md along with your distribution of your zcash miner,
mrb> (2) or stop using my blake.c code.

Of course this is only ~100 lines of code, and we are all lazy programmers and I understand why you did it :) but you ought to do the right thing.
Thanks,
-Marc Bevand
[/quote]

Oh, you are correct, I really missed this point. I was in a big hurry to release first version asap, so I concentrated on main Wagner's algo,
blake is not interesting for me at this point since it takes only 10% of total GPU time and it's trivial in fact, blake algo is not that I can call something new.
But to make some start point asap I included your blake.c into my sources and then forgot about it and did not create my implementation. That's what happens if you are in a hurry.
It is very unpleasant situation for me, I will do the following:

1. I remove v1.0 and v1.1 versions of my miner. In fact, I already removed current packages from google drive and MEGA, I will upload updated versions soon. In next version I will remove your blake.c from my sources.
2. I apologize, it's only my fault that I used this part of your code. I was not going to do it in public version.
3. I want to send you some compensation from my ZEC dev fee if you don't mind, just send me your ZEC address.
4. I'm not going to hide my fault in any way, I will post this message in my miner thread in first post.






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November 06, 2016, 09:46:14 AM
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Sounds to me more like professional jealously.

Absolutely not. Some users discovered it and simply told me about it: https://forum.z.cash/t/silentarmy-v3-now-a-full-miner-multi-gpu-stratum/3580/629

This cryptomined fellow is like a Spanish Inquisition.
Very aggressive to put as much black PR as he can on claymore...

Doesn't look like aggression to me though..

Not even jealousy..


Just facts, that aren't completely true.

I went ahead and setup Claymore's 2.5% fee miner and ran it.

My 2x480's in my test machine never got over 47 sol per card. (Let it run for an hour).
While the Silent army one modified by Nerdralph never got lower than 48!! Even spikes to 56Sol.  Grin
Also let it run for an hour to get a better look on the pool results. And yup, those were even higher then the reported sols as well.

So basically, Claymore didn't take the silent army kernel and implemented it, he took it, made it slower and put a big ass fee next to it and made all of you people think that you hit the jackpot, haha  Grin

And now laughing his ass off watching his "Sols" go up in all those pools  Cheesy and thinking : "Suckers...."

  Cool


Edit: I have to admit, after reading the convo between Mrb and Claymore, respect that he admitted his fault and doesn't try to hide it. Kudo's.

So silent army is better than claymore? I am getting with clymore 46 sols with 390 how much i will get with silent army?
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November 06, 2016, 09:51:10 AM
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Well since you can't short ZEC, this millionaire must be buying for some reason.

Seems like a legit buy order, orders are getting filled.





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November 06, 2016, 09:55:08 AM
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I think it would be best to both parties and to all miners if this would just be for free. Without the dev fees.
Please remove the dev fees in your zcash miner @Claymore. Just let it be for the public and all of us miners will appreciate you more and I think @mrb would have no objection to that.

Please remove the dev fees. Just this once.
Thank you.

Huh?!??!??!?
There is no logic in what you want !!
By going to the store if you donate bread or have to buy it?
Developers also need to eat!  Wink

I understand where you are coming from but there is already animosity in the air. If the miner released by @claymore is open-sourced there would be no drama. As you know the issue is, the source of the code is open and created by another good developer, used by claymore as admitted by himself, enforced small % as dev fees without acknowledgement of the source. This is just one way to settle the infringement and there can be many others.

To answer your store question: Find money to buy food to eat, but have it the right way. There can be ways other than enforcing dev fee on this one.
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November 06, 2016, 09:56:39 AM
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What about cpu usage on nedralph ft. mrb miner vs. claymore's?
That really is the main weak factor of silentarmy miner.

I had to install miner on my friend's PC that is very slow single core Celeron with 1GB of RAM and RX470 x 2 cards. Silentarmy gave me only 7Sol/s per thread, so around 28 Sol/s for TWO RX470. The limiting factor was CPU and bus. I replaced the MB by a better one and got double performance - around 56 Sol/s. Still not a lot since the same miner with H81Pro BTC and G3240 gave more. Replacing the miner by CZM (let me call so the Claymore's Zcash miner further), I've got 90 Sol/s on that slowest mobo with single core CPU.

So I hope mrb will pay some attention to this. Otherwise his miner isn't slower for modern cards. Can't say so yet for 79xx. But have to admit that 50% of success of CZM is remote management + telemetry, stability and easy use on all platforms. That pays for itself. And with the same performance people will use CZM just for that.

As for me, I would use freeware miner and add telemetry scripting if necessary. But of course, we now need the same performance just to stay in a line with the majority.


I must have a seriously powerful celeron cpu then i guess..

2 x 480 both doing 50+ sol with nerdralph's silentarmy mod...

Reference here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1670733.msg16783529#msg16783529

Weak factor...  Cheesy

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November 06, 2016, 10:12:25 AM
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I think it would be best to both parties and to all miners if this would just be for free. Without the dev fees.
Please remove the dev fees in your zcash miner @Claymore. Just let it be for the public and all of us miners will appreciate you more and I think @mrb would have no objection to that.

Please remove the dev fees. Just this once.
Thank you.

Huh?!??!??!?
There is no logic in what you want !!
By going to the store if you donate bread or have to buy it?
Developers also need to eat!  Wink

I understand where you are coming from but there is already animosity in the air. If the miner released by @claymore is open-sourced there would be no drama. As you know the issue is, the source of the code is open and created by another good developer, used by claymore as admitted by himself, enforced small % as dev fees without acknowledgement of the source. This is just one way to settle the infringement and there can be many others.

To answer your store question: Find money to buy food to eat, but have it the right way. There can be ways other than enforcing dev fee on this one.


One question will ask you to finish comments!
You do not know use foreign software, which is the work of someone to make money from it !!!! Why do it then? Do not use it.
Have you heard of the Copyright Law ....?!?!?
This is where I does not matter, but you think you have entirely mistaken thinking.

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November 06, 2016, 10:16:15 AM
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I think it would be best to both parties and to all miners if this would just be for free. Without the dev fees.
Please remove the dev fees in your zcash miner @Claymore. Just let it be for the public and all of us miners will appreciate you more and I think @mrb would have no objection to that.

Please remove the dev fees. Just this once.
Thank you.

Huh?!??!??!?
There is no logic in what you want !!
By going to the store if you donate bread or have to buy it?
Developers also need to eat!  Wink

I understand where you are coming from but there is already animosity in the air. If the miner released by @claymore is open-sourced there would be no drama. As you know the issue is, the source of the code is open and created by another good developer, used by claymore as admitted by himself, enforced small % as dev fees without acknowledgement of the source. This is just one way to settle the infringement and there can be many others.

To answer your store question: Find money to buy food to eat, but have it the right way. There can be ways other than enforcing dev fee on this one.


One question will ask you to finish comments!
You do not know use foreign software, which is the work of someone to make money from it !!!! Why do it then? Do not use it.
Have you heard of the Copyright Law ....?!?!?
This is where I does not matter, but you think you have entirely mistaken thinking.

Huh!? I certainly did not understand your comment.
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November 06, 2016, 10:31:55 AM
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Is anyone seeing better speeds with Catalyst (Crimson) 15.12? I have the latest crimson, speeds are ok but are they better for 470 / 480 cards?
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November 06, 2016, 10:33:20 AM
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Come on genoil is crap for cpu usage.  Everyone knows it.  Only way I could get genoil to load at decent speed was to to click away from the windows once opened and then click back on it pulling focus away from it would kick it along.  At some point we will all have used someone previous work. who here thinks anything we do is original?  It's always based off prior people's work.  If you think the Wright brother invented flight your dead wrong.  Many came before that lead up to the Wright brothers taking flight.  All works are a progression from others past work.  To be able to copywright something as your original idea is disengenous at best. Fraudulent if you ask me.  At some point we just have to do for what's better for us all. Not bicker over the little shit.  It's like people thinking satoshi created Bitcoin. Well no. He took many others ideas and mashed them Together. Had they not come before him this would have never happened.  Do they get any credit? Never. Credit never goes to those that laid the road for you to get to where your going.  at some point everything will be open sourced. But sadly until that happens and we have the monetary system looming over us we will have the threats of being sued and blah blah blah.  We really have pinned ourselves into the corner on this one.  

Anyway thanks for the great effort claymore.  No one else was going to release a stable miner until the they mined out the coin.  I'm glad you put pressure on the cloud ops and their returns.  But I'm sure they are butthurt about it.   Bragging about their super fast miners and now we are equal.  They don't like not being over the public. It's that power ego thing they have to stroke!

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November 06, 2016, 10:36:38 AM
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Anyone getting 1-2% rejections on Flypool Huh Or is it just me? Great ping and everything why the rejections.

Even Nicehash was less.

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November 06, 2016, 10:39:53 AM
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my case using zcashclient silent army to claymore zcash miner

280x from 25 to 45 sols
rx480 from 35 to 45 sols
r9 390 from 27 to 50 sols
290x from 30 to 50 sols
amd fury from 40 to 50 sols

is using this miner with 2.5% fee enticing enough for my case? i say yes..

it is still a challenge for the open source community to make zcash mining stable and optimized, specially for windows users..that day will come, but for now claymore is doing something others don't, and making money in the process.

i hope this issue right now gets sorted out.
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November 06, 2016, 10:42:21 AM
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Anybody here have the same problem with me?

2 rig RX470 4GB, 1 Giga + 1 MSI. Same setting, same OC, same Hynix memory, same everything except brand, but different speed. Giga = 45 Sol, MSI = 35 Sol  Huh Huh Huh

P/s: Those rigs was running ETH same speed. Giga = MSI = 25.2 MH/s
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November 06, 2016, 10:50:14 AM
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Anybody here have the same problem with me?

2 rig RX470 4GB, 1 Giga + 1 MSI. Same OS, same setting, same OC, same everything except brand, but different speed. Giga = 45 Sol, MSI = 35 Sol  Huh Huh Huh

P/s: Those rigs was running ETH same speed. Giga = MSI = 25.2 MH/s

Check what memory types they have, that's one thing that could make a difference, if it's higher quality Smiley
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Anybody here have the same problem with me?

2 rig RX470 4GB, 1 Giga + 1 MSI. Same OS, same setting, same OC, same everything except brand, but different speed. Giga = 45 Sol, MSI = 35 Sol  Huh Huh Huh

P/s: Those rigs was running ETH same speed. Giga = MSI = 25.2 MH/s
different memory

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They are all Hynix
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November 06, 2016, 10:54:17 AM
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- No one is complaining about 20% fee of zcash develop company.  On every block.  You see, because of them, we make some fast profit..

- No one is complaining (or see something suspicious) about the UNLOCKED wallet  (error: {"code":-16,"message":"Error: wallet encryption is disabled."}).  Eight (Cool years of cryptocurrency programming experience, and we end up with unencrypted wallets...  Such privacy!


Many are complaining about the 2.5% profit, like this one in not making profit for them!


Very nice.
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November 06, 2016, 10:54:24 AM
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Why you guys dumping on the exchanges?Huh

People are buying with big orders.....If you let them buy the price will move up....If you want good rewards for mining then stop dumping everything.
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November 06, 2016, 10:54:42 AM
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my case using zcashclient silent army to claymore zcash miner

280x from 25 to 45 sols
rx480 from 35 to 45 sols
r9 390 from 27 to 50 sols
290x from 30 to 50 sols
amd fury from 40 to 50 sols

is using this miner with 2.5% fee enticing enough for my case? i say yes..

it is still a challenge for the open source community to make zcash mining stable and optimized, specially for windows users..that day will come, but for now claymore is doing something others don't, and making money in the process.

i hope this issue right now gets sorted out.

Do you guys even read??

480 does 50+ with the silentarmy kernel modded by nerdralph!!
I even posted a screenshot of this! Yes, modded rom, but the same gpu's only hit 47 max! with your precious claymore miner...

Btw, it even does 50 on a 390 nitro!

Without fee! Open source!

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my case using zcashclient silent army to claymore zcash miner

280x from 25 to 45 sols
rx480 from 35 to 45 sols
r9 390 from 27 to 50 sols
290x from 30 to 50 sols
amd fury from 40 to 50 sols

is using this miner with 2.5% fee enticing enough for my case? i say yes..

it is still a challenge for the open source community to make zcash mining stable and optimized, specially for windows users..that day will come, but for now claymore is doing something others don't, and making money in the process.

i hope this issue right now gets sorted out.

Do you guys even read??

480 does 50+ with the silentarmy kernel modded by nerdralph!!
I even posted a screenshot of this! Yes, modded rom, but the same gpu's only hit 47 max! with your precious claymore miner...

Btw, it even does 50 on a 390 nitro!

Without fee! Open source!

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