Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[Biomech]

 So yeah, 6 days effectively to produce and send the first 700+ units.

Wrong. Effective days of production begin only AFTER receiving the chips!, they have posted a video of a circuit board without chips because they obviously don't have them yet, rest assured the moment they have them in Sweden you'll see pics/videos.

Untrue. They could do almost every subassembly prior to receiving the chips.

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[cognoscente]

 

Opinions and assholes.   Everyone has one.  Why contract it out, if they felt like taking a break from behind their desks, and doing it themselves?  Does everyone in the fucking world have to try to second guess how they run their operation    Jesus...

A break is in order AFTER they ship the goods.  Who died and left you in charge of policing opinions? 

[blastbob]

My big toe tells me that they will assembly over the weekend and deliver day1 and day2 on monday

[tempestb]

I have a question, and am not trying to be a troll or anything, this is legit as I don't understand it and would like some clarity from someone who does understand it.

When the chip and the circuit board meet, doesn't there need to be some kind of testing to make sure the components are all working properly together?  I know a lot of other companies struggled with this and took awhile to get things done.  That's why folks like Avalon and BFL sent sample chips out so the guys making the boards and everything had time to tweak their designs.  So why does it seem like KNC is just slapping the chip on the board and shipping it out?  Or do they have both the chips and the boards now and are doing the tweaking as we speak?  Does this have something to do with the fact that they took the design from an FPGA and didn't do any work on it, so that they know exactly what they need and it doesn't require tweaking?

Just trying to understand the process and why they can slap everything together in a weekend and be done with it, where others took a lot longer to do (What seems) like the same thing.

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I have a question, and am not trying to be a troll or anything, this is legit as I don't understand it and would like some clarity from someone who does understand it.

When the chip and the circuit board meet, doesn't there need to be some kind of testing to make sure the components are all working properly together?  I know a lot of other companies struggled with this and took awhile to get things done.  That's why folks like Avalon and BFL sent sample chips out so the guys making the boards and everything had time to tweak their designs.  So why does it seem like KNC is just slapping the chip on the board and shipping it out?  Or do they have both the chips and the boards now and are doing the tweaking as we speak?  Does this have something to do with the fact that they took the design from an FPGA and didn't do any work on it, so that they know exactly what they need and it doesn't require tweaking?

Just trying to understand the process and why they can slap everything together in a weekend and be done with it, where others took a lot longer to do (What seems) like the same thing.

The answer, my boy, is the famed Swedish engineering, as exacting and precise as the proverbial Swedish watch!

Wait... was it Swedish?  Swiss??

Anyhow, they can make watches everywhere now -- it's no big deal

[donch]

Just trying to understand the process and why they can slap everything together in a weekend and be done with it, where others took a lot longer to do (What seems) like the same thing.

Because KNC are professionals and have done this kind of thing before (unlike unnamed others)?

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Opinions and assholes.   Everyone has one.  Why contract it out, if they felt like taking a break from behind their desks, and doing it themselves?  Does everyone in the fucking world have to try to second guess how they run their operation   Jesus...

A break is in order AFTER they ship the goods.  Who died and left you in charge of policing opinions?  

Nobody.  The exact same person who died and left you in charge of deciding who should build KNC's data center...

[rizzman]

So, Bitcoinorama: are you going to be in Stockholm during the weekend? Maybe Monday?

Looks like they're confident enough to ask me to get a flight, so erm i think so. I mean to be fair I was always assuming I would be before, or around this point, but was beginning to question this internally recently myself. This really sounds like it will be down to the absolute wire, if they pull this off.

Just for clarity: they asked you to get a plane ticket - for when? When are you arriving to Stockholm? When will you return home?

I think this info is important in order to know when they expect to have the first units in hand.

From an Operational Security perspective you shouldn't ask him to disclose how / when he is travelling considering some of the nut-jobs on this forum. and the mixed demeanor towards him. Any endeavor where someone else money is on the line it is better to tread cautiously...

Just my two cents / military paranoia kicking in. Food for thought.

[Bitcoinorama]

So, Bitcoinorama: are you going to be in Stockholm during the weekend? Maybe Monday?

Looks like they're confident enough to ask me to get a flight, so erm i think so. I mean to be fair I was always assuming I would be before, or around this point, but was beginning to question this internally recently myself. This really sounds like it will be down to the absolute wire, if they pull this off.

Just for clarity: they asked you to get a plane ticket - for when? When are you arriving to Stockholm? When will you return home?

I think this info is important in order to know when they expect to have the first units in hand.

From an Operational Security perspective you shouldn't ask him to disclose how / when he is travelling considering some of the nut-jobs on this forum. and the mixed demeanor towards him. Any endeavor where someone else money is on the line it is better to tread cautiously...

Just my two cents / military paranoia kicking in. Food for thought.

FWIW blatantly I'm not giving that info out. You want hashing vids, and a write-up from the wee hours, happy to oblige. But other Day oners should be making themselves known if they can pick up in Stockholm at a moments notice, inc. Mon PM if needs be.

[soy]

I have a question, and am not trying to be a troll or anything, this is legit as I don't understand it and would like some clarity from someone who does understand it.

When the chip and the circuit board meet, doesn't there need to be some kind of testing to make sure the components are all working properly together?  I know a lot of other companies struggled with this and took awhile to get things done.  That's why folks like Avalon and BFL sent sample chips out so the guys making the boards and everything had time to tweak their designs.  So why does it seem like KNC is just slapping the chip on the board and shipping it out?  Or do they have both the chips and the boards now and are doing the tweaking as we speak?  Does this have something to do with the fact that they took the design from an FPGA and didn't do any work on it, so that they know exactly what they need and it doesn't require tweaking?

Just trying to understand the process and why they can slap everything together in a weekend and be done with it, where others took a lot longer to do (What seems) like the same thing.

I don't recall exactly what interface KnC using.  I wonder if the ball grid array in general was preferred over pins for the cost benefit or if it had to do with switching speed and spurious signal transmission in the radio frequency range.  But, BGA seems to have a higher failure rate than a pin/socket arrangement I think.  I'm not well versed in these matters so this is just speculation.

[rizzman]

They said, or rather Sam has said, can I make the weekend, this one?

A quick question: How do you plan on getting that miner back to the UK?
I'm asking because I've paid over 240USD for delivery and I'd rather get a ticket and bring them back myself, but I don't think they will survive in the checked in luggage and will not fit in the carry on luggage.

Lol when I first inquired months back, Sam said it would fit in hand luggage. that beast does not meet any hand luggage requirements I know of, but I reckon a clean swipe could take out one of Ryanair's boarding trolls. It may have to be checked in, in a bag with a lot of socks. This is another dilema. Train would take to long, but don't those now have elec outlets and free wifi??

Anyone know how X-rays affect SSD's? (assuming the OS will be written to SSD) since the thing will probably have to go through security's X-ray

[DeathAndTaxes]

They said, or rather Sam has said, can I make the weekend, this one?

A quick question: How do you plan on getting that miner back to the UK?
I'm asking because I've paid over 240USD for delivery and I'd rather get a ticket and bring them back myself, but I don't think they will survive in the checked in luggage and will not fit in the carry on luggage.

Lol when I first inquired months back, Sam said it would fit in hand luggage. that beast does not meet any hand luggage requirements I know of, but I reckon a clean swipe could take out one of Ryanair's boarding trolls. It may have to be checked in, in a bag with a lot of socks. This is another dilema. Train would take to long, but don't those now have elec outlets and free wifi??

Anyone know how X-rays affect SSD's? (assuming the OS will be written to SSD) since the thing will probably have to go through security's X-ray

It has no effect.

[DoomDumas]

I've already paid 240USD for shipping, but I'm looking at ways to improve my ROI, so saving on delivery is one of them + maybe safer and quicker + I get to see Stockholm (again).

Is your $240 for both miners? or each? and how did you choose the express method?

My shipping to canada is $136.80 per miner and I never had an option to choose any method.  It just says UPS ZONE 7.

And as far as I know according to the UPS zone chart, UPS ZONE 7 = importing from the United States, so I don't know what that's about.

$120.40 per Miner and no options to select. Carl told me over the phone it is UPS Express Saver.
Seems a bit expensive for delivery to UK, when you pay $136 to get it to Canada.
I'm UPS Zone 3.

I use UPS all the time. $120.40 for UPS Express Saver from Sweden to UK for something of that weight is not expensive at all, in fact is pretty much OK.

Then the guy from Canada should thank KNC for offering such a discounted price on delivery

What could be a disguting surprise is the custom fees that may apply if it is concidered as import from USA !!

[dwdoc]

I've already paid 240USD for shipping, but I'm looking at ways to improve my ROI, so saving on delivery is one of them + maybe safer and quicker + I get to see Stockholm (again).

Is your $240 for both miners? or each? and how did you choose the express method?

My shipping to canada is $136.80 per miner and I never had an option to choose any method.  It just says UPS ZONE 7.

And as far as I know according to the UPS zone chart, UPS ZONE 7 = importing from the United States, so I don't know what that's about.

$120.40 per Miner and no options to select. Carl told me over the phone it is UPS Express Saver.
Seems a bit expensive for delivery to UK, when you pay $136 to get it to Canada.
I'm UPS Zone 3.

I use UPS all the time. $120.40 for UPS Express Saver from Sweden to UK for something of that weight is not expensive at all, in fact is pretty much OK.

Then the guy from Canada should thank KNC for offering such a discounted price on delivery

What could be a disguting surprise is the custom fees that may apply if it is concidered as import from USA !!

It could be worse than that. Look what happened to Bitcentury in Russia:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=226846.msg3220533#msg3220533

[The Avenger]

Man, I can't wait to see security at Stockholm airport when dozens of casually dressed men turn up with a non-descript piece of electronic equipment in a box they *insist* on taking on-board as hand luggage  

[soy]

They said, or rather Sam has said, can I make the weekend, this one?

A quick question: How do you plan on getting that miner back to the UK?
I'm asking because I've paid over 240USD for delivery and I'd rather get a ticket and bring them back myself, but I don't think they will survive in the checked in luggage and will not fit in the carry on luggage.

Lol when I first inquired months back, Sam said it would fit in hand luggage. that beast does not meet any hand luggage requirements I know of, but I reckon a clean swipe could take out one of Ryanair's boarding trolls. It may have to be checked in, in a bag with a lot of socks. This is another dilema. Train would take to long, but don't those now have elec outlets and free wifi??

Anyone know how X-rays affect SSD's? (assuming the OS will be written to SSD) since the thing will probably have to go through security's X-ray

Early in the BFL ASIC production threads there was speculation about what was causing the high error rate.  Heat causing wrong firing of FETs or impure silicone and heat causing misfiring of FETS was speculated.  Back in the late '70's I read somewhere about IC's failing in space due to radiation causing misfirings and that a special grade IC was then made for high radiation exposure.  If  the miner is scanned by a radiation emitting device it would probably not cause damage as the miner doesn't have power and disallowed states that may be created would likely be cleared later at boot.

If it's a carry on then an X ray I assume.  Baggage within the US sometimes is scanned with a device that bombards with neutrons, counting those in versus those out as explosives absorb neutrons, hence the advice not to put wool clothing in airline baggage as wool absorbs neutrons and gets slightly radioactive after passing thru.

[Xialla]

IMHO, KNC should be spending more time relaying progress reports from Orsoc, and less time getting blisters assembling a data center that they should have contracted out in the first place.  I feel like a mushroom.

good point..why IT architects/developers/engineers wasting their time/energy during night shifts with drill in hand and posting pics of their blisters/injuries is the great unknown and definitely not professional manner.)

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IMHO, KNC should be spending more time relaying progress reports from Orsoc, and less time getting blisters assembling a data center that they should have contracted out in the first place.  I feel like a mushroom.

good point..why IT architects/developers/engineers wasting their time/energy during night shifts with drill in hand and posting pics of their blisters/injuries is the great unknown and definitely not professional manner.)

There are obviously a bunch of people on here that have never been especially creative.   They do it because it's FUN and it's a break from the normal routine.  It shows interest.  It shows creative energy.  One of my favorite things to do in the evenings after working a 10 hour day as a code jockey was hanging / taping / sanding sheetrock.   Because it's physical, it's a break from mental labor, and it's fun as hell to get down and get your hands dirty.

I'm glad that KNC just ignores the naysayers and losers here, and just DOES stuff.  If they listened to 1/2 the armchair jockeys on this forum - it's too hard, it'll take too long, you can't do it that way, it won't work, you shouldn't do this, you shouldn't do that - they wouldn't have even taped out yet.

So many whiney losers on here on here that think they know better than the boys that are actually getting the things done.  Never did, never tried, and never will have shit in their lives, because it's TOO HARD, it won't work, it'll take too long...   All your whining is doing is proving to everyone that you're LOSERS...


  

[Bitcoinorama]

IMHO, KNC should be spending more time relaying progress reports from Orsoc, and less time getting blisters assembling a data center that they should have contracted out in the first place.  I feel like a mushroom.

good point..why IT architects/developers/engineers wasting their time/energy during night shifts with drill in hand and posting pics of their blisters/injuries is the great unknown and definitely not professional manner.)

Sorry, but what else should they be doing in their spare time? They promised hosting, so they built it themselves by hand with their customer service staff. The majority of ORSoC's engineers aren't there. Do you honestly expect Sam, Andreas, Marcus and Johan to leave the hosting to chance? Fact is they got it done, and proved it. What's more, by the looks of things they had fun. Sweat, injuries, and blisters are a sign of hard work, and prob a means of unwinding. You can't be academic or professional and be seen to enjoy yourself?! I used to do gymnastics whilst studying an engineering degree. Those blisters and wounds are nothing, you want to see how much skin a piece of dowling rod and leather pulls from your hand when combined with a pair of rings or a high bar. I used to look like a lepper, but it sure as hell let me release from the stress of studying and kept me super competitive. The chip delivery is out of their hands, and it looks like they are ready and focused for when the ASICs do arrive.

[Dreadmand]

Man, I can't wait to see security at Stockholm airport when dozens of casually dressed men turn up with a non-descript piece of electronic equipment in a box they *insist* on taking on-board as hand luggage  

lol... They might deny their boarding or worst case confiscate the said equipment for verification.