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Author Topic: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com  (Read 3050097 times)
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September 25, 2013, 12:47:30 AM
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But hopefully not too many orders from Russia  Cheesy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyPsqsH8I4M

Oh, Mama Mia. There he goes again...........
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September 25, 2013, 01:46:28 AM
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But hopefully not too many orders from Russia  Cheesy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyPsqsH8I4M

Oh, Mama Mia. There he goes again...........

WTF was that!??
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September 25, 2013, 01:49:06 AM
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Can't go wrong with a reliable Casio


The NSA is now watching this thread.   Undecided

Thanks.
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September 25, 2013, 02:15:52 AM
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September 25, 2013, 02:40:16 AM
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I won't bother you with the details of what I do for a living... all i will say is that Fotoforensic is no where near accurate enough for it to be used in anything other than as a case support for something that has already been deemed original or altered by other means.  It is far too limited in what it can do and too inconsistent.  It can easily be tricked and sometimes original images comeout like a total hackjob after analysis as well.
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September 25, 2013, 02:44:57 AM
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Can't go wrong with a reliable Casio


I had that exact watch when i was in grade 4!!!
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September 25, 2013, 02:58:03 AM
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Can't go wrong with a reliable Casio


I had that exact watch when i was in grade 4!!!

Sure, make me look old! I had one like that in school too. Grade 9. Arrgghh!

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September 25, 2013, 03:58:26 AM
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yep, pictures were modified in Photoshop.

http://gbimg.org/8tJoO
http://gbimg.org/mEgoj

otherwise, I think that that just for resize/crop.)
No one posted the photo with two Marcus's in this thread, so where did it come from? Or am I entirely missing crumbs wacky humour on this one?

Crumbs is a nutjob.  Just put him on ignore.

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September 25, 2013, 04:51:36 AM
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Seriously, why are you such a cock? What turned you from being someone that approached me via private messaging with sincere questions, if they ever really were sincere, into someone full of spite?

You got straight answers from me, as have anyone that's contacted me. Your questions weren't even related to this thread. I've never lied to anyone on this forum. You're the one trolling.

this finally got me to just ignore 'orama since he insists on quoting all the trolls until the end of time

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September 25, 2013, 05:12:20 AM
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Sorry, but what else should they be doing in their spare time?

Generate test patterns for the chip tester in the fab (STIL or WGL). It should only take a few hours to generate files with a pretty high coverage due to the nature of a miner. That way they would only get passing chips and have a higher confidence in the ASICs they mount on their PCB's.
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September 25, 2013, 05:14:07 AM
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And you are supposing that OrSoc, who is responsible for doing the chip production and testing, isn't clever enough to have thought of doing something like that?
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September 25, 2013, 05:18:06 AM
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And you are supposing that OrSoc, who is responsible for doing the chip production and testing, isn't clever enough to have thought of doing something like that?

According to this thread they have clearly stated that they will not run test patterns on the chip tester.
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September 25, 2013, 05:39:56 AM
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Then what would be the point of them spending their time generating test patterns that would never be run?
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September 25, 2013, 06:07:27 AM
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He was implying that they should do testing.
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September 25, 2013, 06:57:40 AM
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Does anyone know for sure if KNC will be selling expansion modules?  Right now I'm ordering a Bitfury board every time I accumulate enough BTC for another one.  I might put some aside if I knew that KNC was planning on adding them to the store soon.  I'll have 3 slots to fill since I only ordered a Mercury.
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September 25, 2013, 07:26:15 AM
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He was implying that they should do testing.

Yeah. I don't know why they chose not to do testing. I guess they figured they'd get the chips a day or two earlier without it.  Remember, there are four physically separated circuits on each die.  They're completely separate, the only difference between them an totally independent chips is the die isn't cut. I guess the theory is that it makes it cheaper to package/mount that way.

Anyway, it could be that KnC thinks its extremely unlikely that all four sub-chips will be bad, and therefore their plan is to mine with functional circuits on chips that have problems.

Seems like a reasonable plan to me.

I don't get why people are so obsessed with this - they are going to test the units before they send them to customers, and that's all that matters, right?

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September 25, 2013, 07:42:30 AM
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Does anyone know for sure if KNC will be selling expansion modules?  Right now I'm ordering a Bitfury board every time I accumulate enough BTC for another one.  I might put some aside if I knew that KNC was planning on adding them to the store soon.  I'll have 3 slots to fill since I only ordered a Mercury.

They said they would, and I dare say quite a few Mercury orderers would be pissed if they don't come good on that promise as it's been factored into some peeps purchase decisions

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September 25, 2013, 07:46:51 AM
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He was implying that they should do testing.

I know KnC is on record saying this is a cell based asic, not a hardcopy. But that was said a long time ago, and  if you look at the known facts:

- significantly worse GH/J than competing 28nm (and even 55nm) chips,
- judging by the chip package, massive die size, ~3x larger per GH than cointerra and hashfast
- extremely fast TTM (assuming they meet their goals), with apparently no need for any chip testing
- Chip developed by a company with a trackrecord in doing altera harcopy conversion
- Originally planned to do an FPGA
- PCB tested/photographed with an altera cyclone FPGA that just happens to fit

I have a hard time believing this is not a hardcopy or some other structured asic.

(Note: Im not saying thats a bad thing. Its what I would have done too).




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September 25, 2013, 08:47:18 AM
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He was implying that they should do testing.

I know KnC is on record saying this is a cell based asic, not a hardcopy. But that was said a long time ago, and  if you look at the known facts:

- significantly worse GH/J than competing 28nm (and even 55nm) chips,
- judging by the chip package, massive die size, ~3x larger per GH than cointerra and hashfast
- extremely fast TTM (assuming they meet their goals), with apparently no need for any chip testing
- Chip developed by a company with a trackrecord in doing altera harcopy conversion
- Originally planned to do an FPGA
- PCB tested/photographed with an altera cyclone FPGA that just happens to fit

I have a hard time believing this is not a hardcopy or some other structured asic.

(Note: Im not saying thats a bad thing. Its what I would have done too).


KnC have created a standard cell ASIC.

They aren't significantly worse GH/J than any other competing 28nm company, which has been my entire point the whole time.

The competing 28nm companies are using the same process, at the same node. Just KnC were first and have been honest, and realistic with their expectations, letting the evidence talk for itself when they have something to show.

The other competitors were months late and had to embellish upon marketing to tie up funds and promise figures based on best case simulations, just some have taken it a step further and been very dishonest.

28nm standard cell, is a 28nm standard cell, either you realise this now, or time will demonstrate this fact.

Sure KnC have probably employed margins that may have erred on the side of caution as they saw speed and mitigating risk as the main priority, but we are talking a minor percentage performance difference between competitors from the final result, not major as has been claimed.

That doesn't occur until the next major step down in geometry from 28nm.

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September 25, 2013, 08:51:11 AM
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Does anyone know for sure if KNC will be selling expansion modules?  Right now I'm ordering a Bitfury board every time I accumulate enough BTC for another one.  I might put some aside if I knew that KNC was planning on adding them to the store soon.  I'll have 3 slots to fill since I only ordered a Mercury.

They said they would, and I dare say quite a few Mercury orderers would be pissed if they don't come good on that promise as it's been factored into some peeps purchase decisions

Cool, maybe I'll hold back from any new preorders for a couple weeks and accumulate some coins.  Ah but I forget!  I can actually use a CC to order from KNC.   Cool
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