Tezos discussion

[popcorn1]

If Tezos is still building a blockchain after asking for ID then your CRAZY ..
CENTRAL DATABASE   much better ..i don't mind     be like VISA  but with information and monies  ..
Fast secure and accountable   OH and way way more things you can do ..

But lets call it for what it is CENTRALISED    FACT    and you plan carrying on building on a slower less
effective manner ..

LADBROKES   WILLIAMHILL  store your information in a safe centralised manner ..
Fast and efficient centralised BUT yes the government can check my account when ever they want too
and also the company it's self can close me down ..Might not like me  ..

Just Imagine the TF can say we don't like the abuse they give me close his account ..
Might of posted something on YOUTUBE  ..

You are at many PERILS now     basically been STIFFED   ..
I wonder how many law suits now ?..

Could say false information on the donation box cough white paper ..

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JUST THOUGHT?..
If you donated you can donate and be anonymous under charity rules  NOW are you saying i invested
YES or NO?  ..So why the ID ?  No charity like the POPPY FUND ask for ID ..
Can do it without telling you who I AM ..

Now if your asking for ID you are now 100% saying it's an INVESTMENT   FACT..
Whole new ball game for me as in LAW wise ..
Oh how TEZOS is like a game of NOMIC ..Except i keep winning in the debates  ..

I thought a DONATION you can be  MR MAGIC MAN if i so choose ..
So now people did invest after all ? ..

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Jovan Smith
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Replying to @chadgoe
Says the guy who avoided as a choice not because it wasn’t an option lol... We know now Tezos is gonna be huuuggeeee. Ya hear me huuuge

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Chad G
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People have to realize that if you want the big boys money to enter, we have to have some rules.

Yes OK but why build it on a slower platform? ARE YOU 2 STUPID ?
Jovan was saying we are DECENTRALISED  crying it out he was    when really your not and building it on a slower platform ..

If the government at any time can switch you off then your CENTRALISED ..A bank account is better and more safe IF governments are involved ..

Tezos has become a dump coin fact  because your technology cannot beat a central database  FACT..

It was the fact  that GOVERNMENTS didn't or couldn't control your asses this is why decentralised blockchains was invented ..
So stop with the BULLSHIT ..

The government can say to TEZOS pass me so and so information and they will pass it FACT   ..
Now i don't care BUT why build it on a slower platform?..

TEZOS IS THE LAST BLOCKCHAIN ?..

Someone can build a centralised database that shares tokens out as in spending them but they will be way way faster more storage data and no transaction cost   and do way way more things ..
Now the point is you don't want a central server because that's a government thing ?  SO WHY THE ID?..

The governments can check when they want on your so called "DECENTRALISED BLOCKCHAIN"   so why build a blockchain at all?..

BECAUSE YOUR CRAZY.. and people call me mad ..NO JUST DON'T LIE..

85% of people believe in MAGIC SKY DADDIES   so i guess many tezos believe they are decentralised ..

[popcorn1]

What about a bank   you need ID to have an account BUT with a bank i can claim for so many things if it's stolen and i can get at least 50k if anything goes
wrong like if it collapses ..
BUT with TEZOS and many other so called decentralised lying blockchains you lost everything if it collapses   NO INSURANCE ..

TEZOS THE NOT SO DECENTRALISED BLOCKCHAIN  ..
You can play GOD believing and pretend something that's not so   like decentralised  BUT stop tricking your own minds please ..

You do know many other ways to get around hiding monies? ..
Just it's made TEZOS not what it was suppose to be a decentralised ecosystem ..

Centralised database is a jet engine..
decentralised blockchain is a hairdryer ..

Last to to get it in your heads ..
The reason you built on a hairdryer was so no government central body could do anything  ..
So now they can by PHOTO ID why build on a hairdryer ?   AND GOODNIGHT  ..

[popcorn1]

One more thing before i go..

 KYC. Yet , many of them were dead silent during the Gevers fiasco/lawsuits. I am inclined to think that either they are just spreading fud or they don't want to have exposure to paying taxes

to paying taxes ..Well i can go to court in the UK and argue i took a gamble and under gambling rules i don't pay tax the BOOKIES DOES ..I.E Tezos TF ..

Also under UK tax laws we don't pay tax unless we earn 12k  per year ..
So did i take a gamble or do i have less than 12k?   ..

12K TAXED   OR TOOK A GAMBLE?.. I DONATED so do you pay any tax
well i will do when on exchanges ..

I took a gamble   i donated   i never earned more than 12k a year..

BUT did these lot get taxed for investing in BITCOIN   or did they take a gamble?..
Are you guaranteed to gain?  < SO THAT'S A GAMBLE ..


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I made a bet with my wife  ..

 UK girl made millions off BITCOIN▶   TAXED or a gamble?..
So if i go to court i point out so many people who never paid TAX and on video and TV saying how much they made with no court action BUT you picked on me for taking a gamble

I will sue for PICKING ON ME   and not the others ..
Plus i poor i only own 200 TEZOS  ..Turn them into millions BY GAMBLING ..

Trading is gambling FACT..Well if it's not then am i guaranteed to gain?
so if not IT'S A GAMBLE<<FACT..

A gamble is a game of chance is trading not the same ? you don't know the outcome and your not guaranteed to win  so it's a gamble ..

And i never made more than 12k   and i donated so why are you asking me the poor for monies?
And my ID ..

BATMAN NEVER GIVES HIS ID     NOT UNLESS HE PUMPS THE NICE GIRL

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What is this Watchlist Check, again?
twitter.com/2012ja... KYC..

It says on check list if you check politically exposed person ARR that's me ..
So that's why i don't want to be exposed..

It says on check list if you check disqualified directors  ARR that's you Arthur
So how do you claim your tokens Arthur ? security you cannot invest in anything for 2 years REMEMBER ..
Or will you do the jail time ?..

Not donation it was an investment must of been to have to show ID ..
So who will you get Arthur to claim your TEZOSESERS  ..

Remember ID checks Arthur got 2 years ban  SO if you go all big chops get away with it but not little chops
then your government are the BUMS like i always talked about ..

BUMS the G7 BUMS..

I hate liars  ..Governments do it to me all the time   BUT your so called community that people paid
for is not on ..

Wouldn't it be best if a bank made a new VISA information card ? ..
Well your now the same as a bank you PLONKERS with a shit record as in the gevers scam and all the lies lack of communication and now the ID    A BANK IS WAY WAY SAFER and better FACT..

Just all we can now do is lie to get a higher price to bail out leaving the others with a shit slow way of doing things ..FACT..

Centralised database is way way faster ..YOU HAVE GIVE YOUR ID  ..
You are now centralised riding a hairdryer engine  FACT..

Someone will come along and make a way way faster datacoin like as fast as VISA with all information in a database ecosystem that smashed ANY BLOCKCHAIN for speed and storage and less cost FACT..

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Just so i can understand how things work ..

[eastwind_ja]

have seen a  news  that   all investors  who have invested in  tezos  need  to   do  kyc  in the  near future  , is this true ?    what if  any investor  could not pass  the   kyc  ?

[mladen00]

have seen a  news  that   all investors  who have invested in  tezos  need  to   do  kyc  in the  near future  , is this true ?    what if  any investor  could not pass  the   kyc  ?

yes, its true.
But I remember Modum ICO, just before ''new law" (KYC 4 all ICO investors); but because they started and finished ico before law it was no must to do KYC 4 investors.
Maybe its the same 4 Tezos ICO. They have lawyers...

[capensis]

have seen a  news  that   all investors  who have invested in  tezos  need  to   do  kyc  in the  near future  , is this true ?    what if  any investor  could not pass  the   kyc  ?

if not pass KYC you can not claim your tezos.

also carefully read and understand the T&C attached to the KYC/AML..... no guarantee one will get any tezos at all

also anyone who joined up to the TZLibre fork well Tesoz can just refuse to give you your XTZ and seems nothing one can do about it..... again read and understand the T&C you agree to when claiming your Tezos

[virasisog]

have seen a  news  that   all investors  who have invested in  tezos  need  to   do  kyc  in the  near future  , is this true ?    what if  any investor  could not pass  the   kyc  ?

yes, its true.
But I remember Modum ICO, just before ''new law" (KYC 4 all ICO investors); but because they started and finished ico before law it was no must to do KYC 4 investors.
Maybe its the same 4 Tezos ICO. They have lawyers...

That was reasonable because the contributors have no requirement to buy in the ico and when it finish along this year when kyc was being required to release i think it will not necessarily to require. While now still they are with the lawsuit that makes the development become slow.

[capensis]

New Tezos fork = nTezos (NTZ)

https://ngscrypto.com/news/tezos-will-fork-before-its-even-launched

 nTezos.com

nTezos is an independent and self-governing network running the Tezos software

No KYC
The token allocation will follow the Tezos fundraiser terms to the letter (except for the Tezos foundation allocation)
No "special rewards" (~ premine) for the people spearheading the nTezos effort.
Auditable genesis block
DLS/early contributors and contractors will keep their token allocation and vesting schedule.
The Tezos foundation will lose its veto powers and an alternative structure (veto rights for a year) will be setup using on-chain voting.
The Tezos foundation token allocation will be locked and spent at the community's discretion using on-chain voting
Subreddit: /r/ntezos
Matrix/Riot: #ntezos
Twitter: @ntezos
It is not affiliated with the Tezos foundation

[capensis]

and another new Tezos fork = OpenTezos

no KYC/AML

opentezos.com

[bitbouillion]

XTZ will be listed fork without listing itself. Things will be very interesting. The prize will be reflected negatively.

[mladen00]

and another new Tezos fork = OpenTezos

no KYC/AML

opentezos.com

they ae forking code that isnt finished (tested)

stupid, stupid thing 4 5 min of fame

[legday]

and another new Tezos fork = OpenTezos

no KYC/AML

opentezos.com

they ae forking code that isnt finished (tested)

stupid, stupid thing 4 5 min of fame

I don't think Tezos foundation can prevent anyone to do the fork. So much drama adds to the anticipation and makes Tezos even more popular. You will see a lot of ICO-s moving on Tezos platform.

[mt55]

What will happen for the IOU holder on HitBTC?
the IOU TZX will be automatically transformed in real TZX?

Which would mean that the exchange participated in the ICO. But what happens if it doesn't?

they will transfer it when XTZ will be listed

So it's no wrong to assume that the price of 1 TZY will be approximatively 5$ worth. it's not too bad in my opinion  

I wouldn't assume that. Because it is so limited market. And thousands of investors have been waiting for the launch almost a year. During that time market prices went up and also expectations. I'm not sure if the investors will be willing to sell around $5.

$5 would push the total value to: 763,306,929 TZY * $5 = $3.8 bn

Thing is: If the launch should go smooth and Tezos being listed on good exchanges while the overall market situation should not be too bad or even bullish, that may be possible or even find a higher price - considered that EOS for example is traded at a marketcap of about $10 bn.

But... I personally have zero clue what to expect from this project tbh.

Any data as to what the average price for investors was? Haven't been following this a lot but it seems that there would be massive instant profit if it lists at $5?

If it launched at $5 at today's btc price those selling tezos would gain about 3x in bitcoin value.

Ok so it is quite safe to expect a good number of people to take profit when it launches in that price range.

I seriously don't think most people who were forced to hold for an entire year to be happy with 3x gains.

Depends a lot on the experience you have I'd say. As your rank says you have been into this world for a good amount of time, but those who are in it for not so long will most likely take profits. You know, when I was a newbie I took 3x profits to just look at the rocket going 100x a few days after I sold

[mladen00]

Nobody will sell XTZ for 3xROI, but for 30xROI...maybe

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Kate Sills
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Best advice I can give you is stop taking advice from twitter pop philosophers and read a damn book.
  ..Like these books ?

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MAYBE YOU SHOULD READ THE ABOVE BOOK ..^^^^

I wont because i only read a few books ..     I lived and found out EVERYONE IS A LIAR ..
YEP including me ..      to say i have never lied    i would be a liar

So how many books have you read that turned out to be POPPYCOCK?..
Well you just wasted your life clock ..

I read how to build a home ..NVQ2 on building site for 1 year for free ..
Bobcat licence    dumper truck licence    bucket loader licence    forklift truck licence counterbalance and reach licence   health and safety licence    licence for confined spaces  Car licence 
CSCS CARD with EXPERIENCED CONSTRUCTION WORKER on the front ..
Was a foreman of a massive company ..
worked in many places building well known buildings around the UK  fixing them back up or building new ones ..

Now the point is WE get our hands dirty WE don't write or read books WE get things DONE..
Now how many BULLSHIT LYING BOOKS DID YOU READ? ..

twitter pop philosophers   PHILOSOPHER OF LIFE..I lived and seen many many things and had many things done to me .. <<PHILOSOPHER OF LIFE..

Now what i have done in my life QUALIFIES ME as knowing what the fuck i talk about..

LIKE you as for ID   not a problem to me BUT why build on a slower PLATFORM? BLOCKCHAIN no good
You have give your ID .. <<DEFEATS THE OBJECT..

So build on a better centralised MACHINE  ..<<I READ A BIT

You have no hiding you give your ID PHOTO ID ..

[UpsilonTrooper]

have seen a  news  that   all investors  who have invested in  tezos  need  to   do  kyc  in the  near future  , is this true ?    what if  any investor  could not pass  the   kyc  ?

yes, its true.
But I remember Modum ICO, just before ''new law" (KYC 4 all ICO investors); but because they started and finished ico before law it was no must to do KYC 4 investors.
Maybe its the same 4 Tezos ICO. They have lawyers...

That was reasonable because the contributors have no requirement to buy in the ico and when it finish along this year when kyc was being required to release i think it will not necessarily to require. While now still they are with the lawsuit that makes the development become slow.

That seems to be very contradictory to even say lmao "contributors" are people who contribute in any form. If they "contribute" it means they bought in the ICO