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[aesma]

Ireland is part of the EU.  

The EU controls its borders.  

If the UK is not part of the EU, then there needs to be border controls between the EU and UK.

It’s like saying the United States is “forcing” Canada to have border controls.  

No what I'm saying is when the UK is sovereign and can control it's borders only one party is the one forced to have borders that being Ireland and it's not by their choice possibly but by the EU.

Sorry I don’t understand.   Can you explain it a different way?

If there is a border there needs to be guards on both sides of the border? Both on Northern Irish side and Irish side?  

What I am saying is once the UK is NOT a part of the EU they are again able without any other countries input allowed to do there borders. They may not WANT a physical border with Ireland and Ireland MAY NOT want a physical border with Norther Ireland. This would normally mean the two countries agree and there is no Physical border needed.

The possibility is the EU says NO, Ireland we want you to have a physical border with them since they are not an EU member.

Ireland and the UK(Post Brexit) both have a physical border they don't want due to an rules from a group of other nations.

Ireland could only blame themselves for having a physical border if they are the ones putting it up.

It's not just the EU, if there is no customs agreement between the UK and Ireland, and no free trade agreement, then WTO rules mandate a border.

Brexiteers are all saying the UK will be fine under WTO rules, well then, follow the rules, or get slapped with sanctions.

[Arriemoller]

Ireland is part of the EU.  

The EU controls its borders.  

If the UK is not part of the EU, then there needs to be border controls between the EU and UK.

It’s like saying the United States is “forcing” Canada to have border controls. 

No what I'm saying is when the UK is sovereign and can control it's borders only one party is the one forced to have borders that being Ireland and it's not by their choice possibly but by the EU.

There is no need for a border wall between EU and non EU countries. Denmark joined EU long before Sweden and we had tonally open borders back then, and Norway is not a member of the EU and we have totally open borders between Norway and Sweden.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Passport_Union

[Biodom]

1. Wow, that Hamilton vs Satoshi rap battle is pretty good...

2. On rotten banana and TNF...TNF is interesting/weird, but, unfortunately not a panacea.
One anecdote: Doctors had noted at some point that patients with very serious bacterial infections were paradoxically cured of tumors/cancers that they had. Hence, the investigation that resulted in TNF discovery.
Unfortunately, this cannot be put into practice for an obvious reason.
That said, nobody ever got poisoned by slightly rotten bananas, although super brown are just gross.

Gold got smashed today, but bitcoin was not...interesting...it is really an uncorrelated asset.
Maybe planB is right and bitcoin is controlled mainly by the underlying math in the form of the S/F.
I am a believer (for now).

[aesma]

Ireland is part of the EU. 

The EU controls its borders. 

If the UK is not part of the EU, then there needs to be border controls between the EU and UK.

It’s like saying the United States is “forcing” Canada to have border controls. 

No what I'm saying is when the UK is sovereign and can control it's borders only one party is the one forced to have borders that being Ireland and it's not by their choice possibly but by the EU.

There is no need for a border wall between EU and non EU countries. Denmark joined EU long before Sweden and we had tonally open borders back then, and Norway is not a member of the EU and we have totally open borders between Norway and Sweden.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Passport_Union

They're part of the European Single Market today so it's not a problem. The UK aims to leave the single market.

[Arriemoller]

I'm actually rather partial to y'alls Strv tanks with the hydraulic suspension Arrie.

You mean this one?

[Arriemoller]

Ireland is part of the EU. 

The EU controls its borders. 

If the UK is not part of the EU, then there needs to be border controls between the EU and UK.

It’s like saying the United States is “forcing” Canada to have border controls. 

No what I'm saying is when the UK is sovereign and can control it's borders only one party is the one forced to have borders that being Ireland and it's not by their choice possibly but by the EU.

There is no need for a border wall between EU and non EU countries. Denmark joined EU long before Sweden and we had tonally open borders back then, and Norway is not a member of the EU and we have totally open borders between Norway and Sweden.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Passport_Union

They're part of the European Single Market today so it's not a problem. The UK aims to leave the single market.

It's been like that since 1952 regardless of the different countries various and changing affiliations and memberships, and long before any single market.
The point is that it is neither unheard of nor hard to keep an open border. All you need is a will to do so.

[jojo69]

You mean this one?

the 103, yeah

really innovative design, and for 1963?? mind blowing really

For those not in the know;

>reliable autoloader gets off a 105mm round every 3 sec
>fixed gun and lack of a 4th crew (the loader) makes for an extremely low silhouette with radical frontal slope
>excellent track system, the entire vehicle can traverse 90 degrees in just over a second
>innovative hydraulic suspension to set gun elevation
>only MBT in the world that can be fought by one person, both the driver/gunner and the commander position have full mobility and gunnery controls
>and perhaps my favorite, 3rd crew member sits facing backward and has mobility controls, the vehicle can move just as fast in reverse.

[Arriemoller]

You mean this one?

the 103, yeah

really innovative design, and for 1963?? mind blowing really

I agree, but unfortunately impossible to upgrade due to the fixed fully automated canon.
Putting in a new and bigger canon would need a totally new vehicle, whereas a tank with a turret can just fit a new turret.
Thus it slowly became obsolete as the Russians started putting new and upgraded tanks with better armour and bigger canons in service.

[d_eddie]

I'm back. Before I catch up, I'd like to share some images collected during my trip. Here's my gf modeling against a background some of you might like

While some elements have been superimposed to protect the innocent, the wings are real and were actually hanging on the wall. They are a perfect fit for her <3

[HairyMaclairy]

Ireland is part of the EU.  

The EU controls its borders.  

If the UK is not part of the EU, then there needs to be border controls between the EU and UK.

It’s like saying the United States is “forcing” Canada to have border controls.  

No what I'm saying is when the UK is sovereign and can control it's borders only one party is the one forced to have borders that being Ireland and it's not by their choice possibly but by the EU.

Sorry I don’t understand.   Can you explain it a different way?

If there is a border there needs to be guards on both sides of the border? Both on Northern Irish side and Irish side?  

What I am saying is once the UK is NOT a part of the EU they are again able without any other countries input allowed to do there borders. They may not WANT a physical border with Ireland and Ireland MAY NOT want a physical border with Norther Ireland. This would normally mean the two countries agree and there is no Physical border needed.

The possibility is the EU says NO, Ireland we want you to have a physical border with them since they are not an EU member.

Ireland and the UK(Post Brexit) both have a physical border they don't want due to an rules from a group of other nations.

Ireland could only blame themselves for having a physical border if they are the ones putting it up.

Ok.  Let’s suppose in this new world England has a tax on cigarettes of £5 per packet and the EU has a tax of €1 per packet.

Do you really think that the UK would allow anyone to load up a lorry full of cigarettes in Dublin and drive it to Belfast and then on a ferry to Scotland?  Do you really believe that ?

Keep in mind that cigarette smuggling is said to be a major source of terrorist financing.

[d_eddie]

Here's a new round of the WOW (WO-Where?) game. I think it's going to be fairly difficult, at least until a few pixels are uncovered. However, the WO participants have already proven how good at this they are, so it might be cracked earlier than I imagine.

I have 5 smerits as of now, but I'm setting the prize for this round at a conservative 3 merits because I'm sure a couple of merits will go before I'm done catching up.

[Icygreen]

Breaking upwards, 10,725   feeling bullish BTC and bearish $hitcoin
CCMF's!

[Arriemoller]

Ireland is part of the EU.  

The EU controls its borders.  

If the UK is not part of the EU, then there needs to be border controls between the EU and UK.

It’s like saying the United States is “forcing” Canada to have border controls.  

No what I'm saying is when the UK is sovereign and can control it's borders only one party is the one forced to have borders that being Ireland and it's not by their choice possibly but by the EU.

Sorry I don’t understand.   Can you explain it a different way?

If there is a border there needs to be guards on both sides of the border? Both on Northern Irish side and Irish side?  

What I am saying is once the UK is NOT a part of the EU they are again able without any other countries input allowed to do there borders. They may not WANT a physical border with Ireland and Ireland MAY NOT want a physical border with Norther Ireland. This would normally mean the two countries agree and there is no Physical border needed.

The possibility is the EU says NO, Ireland we want you to have a physical border with them since they are not an EU member.

Ireland and the UK(Post Brexit) both have a physical border they don't want due to an rules from a group of other nations.

Ireland could only blame themselves for having a physical border if they are the ones putting it up.

Ok.  Let’s suppose in this new world England has a tax on cigarettes of £5 per packet and the EU has a tax of €1 per packet.

Do you really think that the UK would allow anyone to load up a lorry full of cigarettes in Dublin and drive it to Belfast and then on a ferry to Scotland?  Do you really believe that ?

Keep in mind that cigarette smuggling is said to be a major source of terrorist financing.

There are a lot of things that are differently taxed in Sweden and Norway, And the Norwegians do smuggle a lot of things to Norway from Sweden, but that is counteracted with spot checks and cameras. Open borders with no wall doesn't mean you are aloud to freely move goods, just people.

[HairyMaclairy]

As has already been said above, both Norway and Sweden are part of the Common Market. 

The UK is leaving the Common Market.  The situation is not comparable.

[jojo69]

not many problems you can't solve with a good tank

[Arriemoller]

As has already been said above, both Norway and Sweden are part of the Common Market. 

The UK is leaving the Common Market.  The situation is not comparable.

Yes they are, that open border was there before both countries was a member of the common market.

[HairyMaclairy]

As has already been said above, both Norway and Sweden are part of the Common Market. 

The UK is leaving the Common Market.  The situation is not comparable.

Yes they are, that open border was there before both countries was a member of the common market.

Again, irrelevant.   The Common Market started in 1958. 

Some members of this forum act we are still living in the 1950s, but the rest of the world has moved on.

[JayJuanGee]

Gold got smashed today, but bitcoin was not...interesting...it is really an uncorrelated asset.
Maybe planB is right and bitcoin is controlled mainly by the underlying math in the form of the S/F.
I am a believer (for now).

I surely don't give too many shits about gold; however, I looked at the Gold chart, and I did not see any significant or meaningful "smashing" for today.  I did see a little bit of a price correction today, but largely put gold at the same price as it was yesterday or the day before... What is the significance of that?

I am thinking that even if there is some truth to what you are saying in regards to Gold's correction for today and bitcoin staying either flat or slightly up, there is a need to zoom out and to look at longer periods than  a day or two or even weeks.  Probably more important to look at months or years to see how they are performing in comparison to each other, and even then might still have some difficulties describing/arguing correlation or lack thereof.  

[Arriemoller]

As has already been said above, both Norway and Sweden are part of the Common Market. 

The UK is leaving the Common Market.  The situation is not comparable.

Yes they are, that open border was there before both countries was a member of the common market.

Again, irrelevant.   The Common Market started in 1958. 

Some members of this forum act we are still living in the 1950s, but the rest of the world has moved on.

So what, Sweden and Norway joined at different times, yet always had an open border. When the common market started is irrelevant, what is relevant is that you can have one country in the common market and one outside and still have an open border as demonstrated by the Nordic countries.

[fabiorem]

Porsche type 597 Jagdwagen, mid 50s during Swedish tests. We decided not to buy.
But it would be a cool Porsche to own.

Why there are chains in the wheels?