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July 25, 2019, 07:07:46 AM

This is why Aristotle says money is required to be a physical commodity.

I did not know that Aristotle was able to foresee bitcoin and  to account for the resolution of the byzintine general's problem....

Bitcoin does not solve Byzantine generals because the basis of Byzantine generals is really just a Sybil attack and Bitcoin is not, and has never been Sybil proof when it's possible for the same guy to own every mining pool on earth in secrecy.  A single guy can therefore be operating right out in the open in a 51%+ attack state in perpetuity.  This has likely been the real world case for a good duration of Bitcoin's existence with the Bitmain monopoly and ownership of more than one pool, and secretly stashing hash power in different pools.

To attempt to fix this problem, you would need to use the Andrew Miller idea of non-outsourceable puzzle box to prevent the use of pools at all.  In that scenario, there would be more incentive for large hash rate actors to keep their hash rate pooled in the same place instead of diffusing it and would be more easy to identify, but since they can still selectively hide their resources in multiple locations to operate wide out in the open as a 51%+ monopoly, essentially colluding with themselves - Sybil - Bitcoin would still not solve Byzantine generals.  

It's 100% impossible to create a decentralized digital currency for numerous reasons such as this, from transaction validators being designed to centralize, to being unable to even check how centralized they are.

O.k.  makes sense.  Therefore, Aristotle was right.  It's gotta be physical or no gonna work.

TLDR:  Bitcorn ded.

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July 25, 2019, 07:18:16 AM

I randomly found that old post of mine from since the last pump started, reminding me how the ones fighting BTC in order to tame it are playing the people.

If this graph is correct, then this is going to be another disaster,
https://coinlib.io/global-crypto-charts#global_money_flow

As long as people trade their real Bitcoins with paper TetherUSD, whoever controls Tether can control BTC's price.
I suppose this difference of flow between fiat (USD, EUR, Yuan etc) and TUSD isn't that huge, but I didn't remember to look at it a few days before when the rally started.

I don't know if using alts would bring any benefit since the prices are still tied with BTC's price, maybe having like 5 to 10 different coins with no correlation to one another and banning USDT and other fiat-supported fake coins from exchanges would help.
Unfortunately the main users of crypto are people with little or no idea on how economies and the leaders of this world operate. Sure, there are some exceptions, but even among the whales there are many who became whales by accident and not by knowledge and skills.

I'm sorry for being pessimistic, I guess I kinda feel we're doomed! Yet, I'll keep on holding!! Grin

Yes, I felt as if we were doomed since getting into bitcoin, but for some reason BTC prices keep going up.

Hopefully you will not get shaken from your BTC by worrying about irrelevant bullshit such as tether fud claiming manipulation.
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July 25, 2019, 07:19:23 AM

Satoshi accidently posted his IP once, which showed he was in the California area at the time.

Good luck getting the 'real' Satoshi to show itself on the verge of people claiming the price is going to $100k - $1 million a coin while only having a $3k cost of production or $6k post halving.  Meaning it's completely impossible without mining expanding so much that it would use more power than every nation on earth.  So it either fails to generate the Ponzi profits people claim then goes into a death spiral leaving everyone homeless, or every square inch of the world is covered in ASIC miners and instantly banned.  Either way he would be facing a firing squad as the Ponzi comes to a conclusion one way or another.

You and Mnuchin gonna end this bitcoin thingie-ma-jiggie, right?
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July 25, 2019, 07:36:59 AM

when will BTC price superpass no. of  WO pages?
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July 25, 2019, 07:49:20 AM

You and Mnuchin gonna end this bitcoin thingie-ma-jiggie, right?

Most of the big moneychangers on earth at places like the squid are aware of my posts.  All of these people were hesitant about digital shitcoins in the first place because they're already wealthy and have no desire in being fleeced by a fly by night scam.  They worked hard to steal it all, you know?  

Since I'm one of the few people capable of explaining these things in non-jibberish form, pretty much everyone now knows none of these things have any actual fundamentals and are all just pump and dump scams.  They are therefore hostile towards being coerced into them with any of their own money when things like silver and gold are in inverse bubbles and a no-brainer to buy instead.  Nobody that already has any sort of money wants to play Russian roulette buying digital shitcoins in a momentum trade that can go catastrophically bad due to zero fundamentals when there's easy asymmetric trades at hand. 
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July 25, 2019, 07:51:44 AM

when will BTC price superpass no. of  WO pages?
 Undecided Huh Roll Eyes

Events to celebrate:

1. WO page parity
2. 100K BTCUSD
3. WO Post parity
4. Gold Parity (BTC capitalisation equals Gold Capitalisation).

This is more or less in inverse order of relevance to me!
Hopefully 1 comes before 2 and 3 before 4!
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July 25, 2019, 08:00:58 AM

when will BTC price superpass no. of  WO pages?
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You need the exact date& time man?  Grin
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July 25, 2019, 08:17:59 AM

when will BTC price superpass no. of  WO pages?

Going by the chart on the previous page, I'd say pretty soon.

ALL that text, in ALL those replies, that I DEFINITELY read, and VERY much enjoyed.

 Cheesy  Cheesy
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July 25, 2019, 08:23:45 AM

when will BTC price superpass no. of  WO pages?
 Undecided Huh Roll Eyes

It already did, for about one day, or less than one day if I recall correctly, that was on about December 17, 2017, when BTC prices surpassed $19,100 or something like that.  Price did not stay above page count for very long.

Oh?  You are asking about the next time that such a thing will happen?   Surely we need a sorcerer for that?  Maybe Mic could create a betting game for such a proposition to see who ends up being correct?  Or anyone else?  Inquiring minds want to know.  I am sure that members will wage their guess, even if no money is involved...
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July 25, 2019, 08:32:36 AM

ALL that text, in ALL those replies, that I DEFINITELY read, and VERY much enjoyed.

 Cheesy  Cheesy

Yeah... you are about as genuine as the typical troll/shill who comes into this thread, acting like a newbie, but well schooled on your dumbass bitcoin naysaying or altcoin pumping talking points. 

In short, NOT much genuineness coming from your side of this... additionally, like a typical troll/shill you seem quite ready to avoid and avert the discussion of any of the more important points, as long as you can get back to finding some way to raise your silly-ass repetitive talking points.
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July 25, 2019, 08:49:13 AM
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ALL that text, in ALL those replies, that I DEFINITELY read, and VERY much enjoyed.

 Cheesy  Cheesy

Yeah... you are about as genuine as the typical troll/shill who comes into this thread, acting like a newbie, but well schooled on your dumbass bitcoin naysaying or altcoin pumping talking points.  

In short, NOT much genuineness coming from your side of this... additionally, like a typical troll/shill you seem quite ready to avoid and avert the discussion of any of the more important points, as long as you can get back to finding some way to raise your silly-ass repetitive talking points.

Yeah there’s no way a genuine newbie comes straight to this thread & starts criticising bitcoin & questioning its use & future. It took me ages to discover this thread & start to enjoy it & feel a part of the WO Family.

This is a genuine noob 1st post (posted in Beginners & Help) -

Hi guys,

I'm new here but not particularly new to BTC.

I've been investing for just under 6 months & have so far amassed 8.75 BTC, I bought most of my coins when the price was around £350 (GBP) , unsure what that is in dollars but I'm at a pretty bad loss currently.

We're down to around £247 (GBP) as we speak, do I continue to invest in BTC or just hold what I've got?

I'm in a pretty healthy situation where the money I've invested so far isn't crucial to me, I live pretty comfortably so experts.......do I stay on 8.75 BTC or buy more gradually as I've done so far?

I'm not interested in selling.

Thanks in advance.

Edit - What an embarrassing noob I was Cheesy
And answer to the bolded - Yes I continued too invest, too fucking much Grin

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The morning coffee & view of silicone is nice too Cheesy

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July 25, 2019, 08:58:22 AM

You and Trollgoossens stop posting pictures of bagles.  Post a picture of your physical silver stack.  Good floors, though.  Also one of the few people with a ball and chain that doesn't have a ridiculous looking, female decorated house. In Trollgoossen's pictures you can tell it's some sort of Barbie playhouse nightmare and he just exists there as a prop while she controls everything.
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July 25, 2019, 09:03:06 AM

You and Trollgoossens stop posting pictures of bagles.  Post a picture of your physical silver stack.

I was going to tell you this a while ago but I didn’t want to give you the satisfaction but I mentioned the forum to my Dad months ago & said there’s a guy who is into physical metals. My Dad has 0BTC but he told me he has significant investments in physical metals  Angry

Edit - r0ach, you might get double whammy food pics in August. We are hooking up with mic & his gf to party in Amsterdam Cheesy
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July 25, 2019, 09:12:14 AM

Btw I thing my friend told me at 350-ish = he Said imagine this thing could rise crazy high with only a 10% chance of succeeding.... Then you must invest, and for him the % of success where much higher but nontheless imo you already should invest with thinking this.... might be b00ze talking now, and F*** mindrust go all-in bro, be more happy with your wealth in BTC as in crypto especially when there are no unexpected costs looking around the corner.... 

Personally, it seems to me that mindrust has a pretty decent approach, even though sometimes i do not really agree with him, and also he seems to go through a quite a lot of emotional turmoil regarding what to do exactly, yet I believe that he maintains most of his sanity by keeping some funds in fiat rather than "going all in."   

I do recognize that a decent number of people do kick themselves on a regular basis asserting that they should have gone all in at time x or time y or time z, and they had the money to do so, but they did not have the balls.  Seems like those people would be easily shaken too, so even though each of us may have tendencies to second guess ourselves in this regard, we have to balance an investment strategy and approach for the present, and not regretting about the past, and our present assessment has to prepare ourselves at each present time for either UP or DOWN, so in that regard, it comes off as way too foolish in the gambling direction to be going "all in" or anywhere close to "all in" when a guy (or gal) is hardly even close to confident regarding bitcoin's price direction - short term, medium term or even trepidations about long term.

I do think mindrust absolutely knows what he's doing..... but just always waiting for again lower the then push the pedal and invest the total reserved amount of FIAT is just not how I would do (again thats just me) I would prefer to push forward at whatever reasonable good price moment instead of waiting for the 30-50% drop....
I also prefer to hold more in BTC as I hold in FIAT.... and if he would buy he's reserved FIAT in BTC then there is enough time to buy dips with fresh incoming FIAT afterwards ......

But you must feel very confident and feel good with holding FIAT in BTC whiteout being emotional touched by its swings.....
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July 25, 2019, 09:18:24 AM

~snip~

^@LFC

When I was a newbie here, I spent almost 8-10 months as a lurker.

And it looks like you changed so much in comparison from your last pic, some drastic changes I would say  Tongue , tattoo missing too.

PS: Accidentally refreshed the merit page  Grin
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July 25, 2019, 09:28:30 AM

ALL that text, in ALL those replies, that I DEFINITELY read, and VERY much enjoyed.

 Cheesy  Cheesy

Yeah... you are about as genuine as the typical troll/shill who comes into this thread, acting like a newbie, but well schooled on your dumbass bitcoin naysaying or altcoin pumping talking points. 

In short, NOT much genuineness coming from your side of this... additionally, like a typical troll/shill you seem quite ready to avoid and avert the discussion of any of the more important points, as long as you can get back to finding some way to raise your silly-ass repetitive talking points.

Yeah there’s no way a genuine newbie comes straight to this thread & starts criticising bitcoin & questioning its use & future. It took me ages to discover this thread & start to enjoy it & feel a part of the WO Family.

This is a genuine noob 1st post (posted in Beginners & Help) -

Hi guys,

I'm new here but not particularly new to BTC.

I've been investing for just under 6 months & have so far amassed 8.75 BTC, I bought most of my coins when the price was around £350 (GBP) , unsure what that is in dollars but I'm at a pretty bad loss currently.

We're down to around £247 (GBP) as we speak, do I continue to invest in BTC or just hold what I've got?

I'm in a pretty healthy situation where the money I've invested so far isn't crucial to me, I live pretty comfortably so experts.......do I stay on 8.75 BTC or buy more gradually as I've done so far?

I'm not interested in selling.

Thanks in advance.

Edit - What an embarrassing noob I was Cheesy
And answer to the bolded - Yes I continued too invest, too fucking much Grin

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The morning coffee & view of silicone is nice too Cheesy



Gonna decrease the size of that image..... cause r0ach can't handle the female stuff Cheesy

Then again my first touch with the forum was the WO, read the thread a few months, then posted in the WO thread whiteout knowing there was anything else Roll Eyes

Haha lol I do remember JJG asking me to make a separate thread for those list games.... and I didn't knew wtf he was saying to me Roll Eyes
Damn I do come from far far away .......

But yeah my first post where ugly as F*** Cheesy

The coffee etc looking good, but F*** its to hot in here for that Smiley
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July 25, 2019, 09:30:13 AM

You and Trollgoossens stop posting pictures of bagles.  Post a picture of your physical silver stack.  Good floors, though.  Also one of the few people with a ball and chain that doesn't have a ridiculous looking, female decorated house. In Trollgoossen's pictures you can tell it's some sort of Barbie playhouse nightmare and he just exists there as a prop while she controls everything.

I do have silver, and gold and all have BTC logo's on it Cheesy

Also don't be jealous at the woman mister r0ach Smiley
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July 25, 2019, 09:31:14 AM

Gentle reminder:

Tomorrow is Future expiry date @ CME

https://www.cmegroup.com/trading/equity-index/us-index/bitcoin_quotes_volume_voi.html#tradeDate=20190724



Expect some fixing induced volatility.

Well, if bitcoin were a traditional financial asset, you could expect some volatility... but we know BTC is on his own league as financial asset!
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Good morning WO!
We are back again in five figure!
Observing @ $10,080
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