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July 24, 2019, 12:51:51 AM
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I have been having some troubles with the seemingly cancelling of BTC buy/sell orders on one of my exchanges.

Either I don't put the BTC buy or sell order through properly, or sometimes such orders are cancelling before they execute/fill (maybe by the algorithm or whatever the fuck you call that software that is running on the exchange and preserving my orders?).

So, yeah, jeez.  

I saw that I had one of my BTC buy orders that did not fill that should have had filled, and in order to compensate for that seeming mistake, and based on the current momentum, I changed buy amounts and increments for three of my buy orders in order to attempt to properly stagger them out, while attempting to take advantage of what seems to be current momentum and likelihoods (absent a sudden spring back, which I know could happen, also).... Anyhow, what I am trying to say is that I would not mind filling one or two of those newly established buy orders in order to make up for the damned mistaken cancelled one.. that I just discovered...

So, yeah, usually I do not wish for down, and frequently, I will berate and hassle any guys (or perhaps gal) who makes such down wishes, but holy moley, when a guy (or a gal if it were to be possible?) has BTC buy orders that are both really close to executing and they are making up for history that should have already taken place, then maybe a itsy bitsy teenie weenie amount of down wishing is acceptable?  Common guys (and gal) ?  Accept my little down proposition on this one....

I don't want to disclose the exact amount of the down for what I am wishing or the exact exchange that this is on since I fear that some bullwhales could purposefully come in just because they hate me very very much and come in and personally sabotage me, but I will disclose that we are surely within double digits of reaching my next buy orders..... so... .. I won't belittle myself too much more than I already have by begging any further....   Wink  I got my begging limits.   Lips sealed

Edit: I will provide a further disclosure that is likely against my best interests, but it could be helpful to other guys (and perhaps gal) regarding how I specifically think about adjusting my order increments when a screw up like this happens.  For the record, in this phase,  I had buy orders that were about every $200, so when one of my upper buy orders had not executed, then that price had already past, but another dynamic that was going on was that my other already set buy order was only within about $23 of filling, but had not filled, so what I ended up doing, was I cancelled the order that was within $23 of filling, and I also cancelled the next buy order that would have been $200 down from that order, and then I took the total amount of fiat that was in my account that was "available" for trade (meaning not locked up), and I divided that amount by 3. 

Therefore, my next three revised buy orders are now $150 apart from one another, rather than $200 apart from one another (and even the 4th order which would have been $200 down from the 3rd order, ends up being only $150 apart between the 3rd and the 4th orders).  My first order ended up being about $40 higher than where my $23 within filling had been placed, so that order ends up being about $17 higher than what is the current low on that particular exchange).  So it should be easier to fill the 1st order and the second order is only $110 lower than what the previously highest unfilled order, so given recent momentum both the first and the second orders should not be too difficult to fill - except for the odd chance that no moar down is coming.

TLDR:  Waiting........ waiting.....   
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July 24, 2019, 01:02:22 AM

I usually do buys/sells by following the trend, not by some arbitrarily chosen number.
in a long run, though, all buys in btc below, say, 50K are going to be either spectacularly good or account zeroing ones.
The difference lies only in numbers of btc bought.
Personally, I am not buying here.

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July 24, 2019, 01:05:56 AM

OUCH!

Why are you acting surprised when any fool can look at the charts and see every movement upwards from $4000 was a completely non-aggregate, cliff face rise manipulation originating from a single entity?  It was like a classic, textbook pump and dump ending with a double top.

I'm not surprised by this little correction. That "OUCH!" wasn't actually due to little BTC price dump, it was posted by me because I was reading the article Gold prices fall sharply after touching record high, silver follows suit, and though I don't own any Silver myself, I thought of someone (from this thread) who still owns old-fashioned, rustable metal. That "OUCH!" was for that guy. Poor soul. Not sure who still considers metals as a good investment in 2019, smh. Look at the YTD return of BTC vs. Silver.

About BTC, I've been saying it for weeks and I'll say it again that it's not easy to break $10,000 for good. We'll touch it, go above it for a while, and then keep returning to <$10k till we smash $15k and go beyond that. IMO, it'd take at least another month or two, as I still believe that we're following the (bullish and sideways) price actions of 2016, not the crazy price actions of 2017. Moreover, I agree that even at this stage, it's possible to manipulate bitcoin to some extent; however, with each passing day, it's becoming more and more difficult to manipulate it. Ultimately, we'll reach the point when it'll become impossible for anyone to manipulate bitcoin, and that includes Bitfinex/Tether. The market is maturing, and until it matures completely, I'm fine with these little manipulations. And yeah, if you think that bitcoin has been driven up by Tether injections, then you're surely forgetting the buzzword "Libra". I believe that to some extent, Suckerburg helped us in reversing the bearish trend of bitcoin.
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I could sit here and watch this for some time

I like ice cream

I did. Tongue

And I don't like Ice Cream.


I can only think brain freeze!

So sad, that was my first thought as well. Smiley

She's no amateur.   Shocked Shocked

Brain froze years ago! Cheesy
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source: howmanyconfs.com

FYI, this is a worthless metric.



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Did you mean "Biased"? Nice first post. Smiley
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July 24, 2019, 01:29:39 AM

I usually do buys/sells by following the trend, not by some arbitrarily chosen number.

Based on the past several exchanges between you and me, we should have already figured out that we have differing ways of approaching our attempts to take advantage of near inevitable BTC price volatility.  You seem to attempt to predict way the fuck more than I do, but that's your choice, and if it is working for you, then that is the most important part.  I believe that my system works really well for me, and that is why I like to talk about it so much.   

By the way, even though I believe I know what you are trying to say about my supposed "arbitrarily chosen number," I would like to believe that my numbers are NOT arbitrarily chosen.  I do go through a bit of a process to select them and then revise them from time to time based on a variety of factors, but mostly I attempt to sell a round about quantity, such as 1% for every 10% that the BTC price goes up, but my increments of buying or selling are not 1% apart, but the amounts should add up to approximately selling 1% for every 10% that the BTC price goes up... sometimes I tweak that number a little bit too, so I believe that currently I am a little below 1%, but that is also currently how I am feeling  - which is largely bullish.

Regarding the buy back amounts, I try to get the quantity of my buy backs to go to the further place that I believe that the BTC price could reasonably go.. but I do tend to error a little bit on bullish expectations, so frequently the quantity of money that I will have to buy will go down a bit much when the BTC price drops to large extremes.... So I had to do some juggling when BTC prices dropped from $6k to $3k in November, and even though I have orders that are set down to below $4k, I surely will plan on doing some decent amount of rethinking of my views and the spread of my buy orders if BTC prices were to drop below $7k again... otherwise, they are sort of established currently to well below $4k with a decent amount in reserve that I could actually set if BTC prices were to go below $4k... .. fuck I hope not... but whatever, i am ready for that possibility even though currently I calculate the odds of below $4k to be decently low... .. probably in the less than 25% arena.


in a long run, though, all buys in btc below, say, 50K are going to be either spectacularly good or account zeroing ones.

I think that we largely agree on this part, but I still think that it is prudent to engage in these kinds of trading behaviors, just in case BTC's price does not go up as we expect.. or even prepare for possibilities that even in the long term it goes down rather than up.  I hope not, but still I believe that it is good to be prepared financially and psychologically..

The difference lies only in numbers of btc bought.
Personally, I am not buying here.

I already have plenty of BTC for up, and maybe that is part of the framework of our differing perspectives?  I feel that I have been stocked up for UP since about late 2014 - but I became way more comfortable in my BTC holdings by about early to mid 2017.. and a lot fewer feelings of worry about if I have enough BTC, just in case, x, y or z.. and perhaps part of that has to do with the quantity of my BTC and my expectations regarding my returns (which by then, BTC had way overshot even my minimum expectations).

I don't know.  I think that the punchline is that we continue to have decently differing perspectives, and even though my BTC price swings have been getting to be greater and greater, I still don't try to strategically time buys and sells as much as you seem to be doing; however, if BTC drops below $8500 or whatever is your price point, then maybe you will have profited more than me, even though I am way more comfortable with the system that I have already established for myself and I have been tweaking for almost 4 years now.
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July 24, 2019, 01:40:54 AM

I have been having some troubles with the seemingly cancelling of BTC buy/sell orders on one of my exchanges.

Either I don't put the BTC buy or sell order through properly, or sometimes such orders are cancelling before they execute/fill

Hmm.

If I were in your shoes, I'd determine definitively whether it was me or the exchange that was at fault. If the exchange (indeed), I'd move to an exchange that treated me better.
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I remember a time of low 3 digits, where both advocates and trolls would laugh (heartily) on this very forum at the notion of Bitcoin hitting $10K, much less hovering there near a stable price. It seemed like a pipe dream to almost everyone.

Now it's here. In just a few years after. Which means that it's no only achievable to go much higher, but everyone has set their expectations way too low.

Sounds logical to me.


I have been having some troubles with the seemingly cancelling of BTC buy/sell orders on one of my exchanges.

Either I don't put the BTC buy or sell order through properly, or sometimes such orders are cancelling before they execute/fill

Hmm.

If I were in your shoes, I'd determine definitively whether it was me or the exchange that was at fault. If the exchange (indeed), I'd move to an exchange that treated me better.

Thx for quoting this , I had polo do this to me for 6 months, about a year before circle bought them, when I was margin trading and it was only when I made a winning bet a instant before the bots changed direction. I had the timing down pretty well and i guess they didn't like that. Smiley

Which exchange JJG?

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Well, say something that is somewhat relevant then, besides your "hi" that does not even quite say "hi."

and you don't need to bold or capitalize in order to get our attention. 



If you post like an attention whore, then you probably will not receive a very decent welcome, but perhaps we will be able to give you a little bit of benefit of the doubt on your first post, perhaps?...

Maybe get started by telling us about your relationship, if any, with our lil fiend, bitcoin?
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 Future POTUS goes dark yet again...
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I could sit here and watch this for some time

I like ice cream

I did. Tongue

And I don't like Ice Cream.


I can only think brain freeze!

So sad, that was my first thought as well. Smiley

She's no amateur.   Shocked Shocked

Brain froze years ago! Cheesy

That's the way we like em?

Personally, fun is good, but if there is nothing beyond fun or too much fun, then I might not be able to keep up.
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I remember a time of low 3 digits, where both advocates and trolls would laugh (heartily) on this very forum at the notion of Bitcoin hitting $10K, much less hovering there near a stable price. It seemed like a pipe dream to almost everyone.

Now it's here. In just a few years after. Which means that it's no only achievable to go much higher, but everyone has set their expectations way too low.

Sounds logical to me.


I have been having some troubles with the seemingly cancelling of BTC buy/sell orders on one of my exchanges.

Either I don't put the BTC buy or sell order through properly, or sometimes such orders are cancelling before they execute/fill

Hmm.

If I were in your shoes, I'd determine definitively whether it was me or the exchange that was at fault. If the exchange (indeed), I'd move to an exchange that treated me better.

Thx for quoting this , I had polo do this to me for 6 months, about a year before circle bought them, when I was margin trading and it was only when I made a winning bet a instant before the bots changed direction. I had the timing down pretty well and i guess they didn't like that. Smiley

Which exchange JJG?


Just because of some things that have been going on, I am not going to disclose which exchange, and I don't really believe that the cancelling of my BTC orders is a BIG deal.... I have a variety of relatively small orders, and if I miss one or two, then frequently I can still reset them.  

My main point in bringing up that incident was to describe the context and to say why that I was in a position of having to reset some of my BTC buy orders.  

Furthermore, unlike what jbreher is trying to suggest with his high and mighty expectations of consumer power over exchanges, or liquidation options or whatever other point that he was making, sometimes there can be a few difficulties to vote with your feet in our current atmosphere, including the fact that some exchanges offer differing features, and there could be some reluctancies regarding setting up more and more accounts.  

Jbreher should know that as well as anyone when he is involved in variations of bcash which tend to be less liquid than BTC, but maybe he is just trying to assert that bcash is expanding and wanting to suggest that people involved in a variety of shitcoins, including bcash, have more trading platform options as compared with BTC?  

I will tell you one thing, I am not going to start to embrace a variety of shitcoins merely to improve my BTC liquidation options.  Getting involved in shitcoins in order to improve liquidation options involves additional risk with which I am NOT willing to experiment, especially when I am not overall dissatisfied with that particular exchange in which I had the cancellation issue.
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July 24, 2019, 04:09:57 AM

Augh. Watching this drop is depressing. Gonna tune out for a while and concentrate on healing/physio.

Fucking Bitcorn. Doesn't look like I'm helping Rick retire sooner, at this rate.

Sheeit. Just Goddamnit even.
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July 24, 2019, 05:26:44 AM

Senate Banking Committee to Hold Hearing on Crypto Regulation

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The committee said in a press release that it would hold an open session titled “Examining Regulatory Frameworks for Digital Currencies and Blockchain” on July 30, though it is unclear if this would be a fact-finding mission or if any specific pieces of legislation would be discussed.

The hearing will be livestreamed.

https://www.coindesk.com/senate-banking-committee-to-hold-hearing-on-crypto-regulation-next-week

Noise, noise and more noise.

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July 24, 2019, 05:34:56 AM

well...

they can hardly claim we are in an overheated bubble, so we got that going for us
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July 24, 2019, 06:14:48 AM

Well so far it has bounced back up lively so I'm sure that will be the case this time too. We'll be back into 5 dig later today after this microdump. Keep calm and HODL!  Grin
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well...

they can hardly claim we are in an overheated bubble, so we got that going for us

lol, true

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pipTwjwrQYQ
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July 24, 2019, 06:49:27 AM

Good morning WO!
Observing BTC@9695.
Bitcoin is dead!
Bitcoin is dead and wants to kill us!


A catastrphic study by IEA:

Bitcoin energy use - mined the gap

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I have been having some troubles with the seemingly cancelling of BTC buy/sell orders on one of my exchanges.

Either I don't put the BTC buy or sell order through properly, or sometimes such orders are cancelling before they execute/fill

Hmm.

If I were in your shoes, I'd determine definitively whether it was me or the exchange that was at fault. If the exchange (indeed), I'd move to an exchange that treated me better.

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Thx for quoting this , I had polo do this to me for 6 months, about a year before circle bought them, when I was margin trading and it was only when I made a winning bet a instant before the bots changed direction. I had the timing down pretty well and i guess they didn't like that. Smiley

Which exchange JJG?


Just because of some things that have been going on, I am not going to disclose which exchange, and I don't really believe that the cancelling of my BTC orders is a BIG deal....

I disagree. Well, not about your right to non-disclosure, but of your willingness to let your exchange get away with screwing you.

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sometimes there can be a few difficulties to vote with your feet in our current atmosphere, including the fact that some exchanges offer differing features, and there could be some reluctancies regarding setting up more and more accounts.

Battered spouse syndrome?

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Jbreher should know that as well as anyone when he is involved in variations of bcash which tend to be less liquid than BTC, but maybe he is just trying to assert that bcash is expanding and wanting to suggest that people involved in a variety of shitcoins, including bcash, have more trading platform options as compared with BTC?

Not at all. I am just saying that such unilateral bad behavior (likely tacit evidence of front-running) should not be tolerated.

Whatevs, man. If'n you enjoy (figuratively) taking it up the rear, that's your choice.
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