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I am unclear on any consequences that 'fake satoshi' would have in this court case. Assuming he is gonna lose it.

1) it is a civil case? thus big whoop?

2) Craig Wright can just not do the judgment or the payment or whatever, if found guilty, being overseas and all?

3) Call "Dog: The bounty hunter!"

Just sum up for me, if he Craig Wright is gonna get 'dinged' on this in any manner,

or he will just walk away without any 'real' consequences.

I want his 'ass' but I think he is gonna walk without even a slap on his tiny wrists. Sad

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Wright v Kleiman is a civil case.

CSW and David Kleiman supposedly mined 1.1 million bitcoins which are tied up in a complicated trust structure called the “Tulip Trust”.  CSW claims the entirety of the trust was handed over to him.

Ira Kleiman, brother of David Kleiman, is suing for half.  

The problem is there is no evidence that any bitcoins were mined, or if they were, they weren’t sold a long time ago. It is almost certain that Tulip Trust is just a bullshit publicity stunt.

So it’s a big law suit about nothing which is going nowhere.  Nothing will happen to CSW - he will just get more publicity.
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August 13, 2019, 11:11:47 PM

If there is no trust with actual 1.1mil btc and by actual I mean btc for which the trust has private keys for, then it is even more idiotic than i thought.
Let's toast to this!
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August 13, 2019, 11:15:35 PM

I already responded both that your facts are not correct and also,

So you're asserting that the charts I posted links to contain fraudulent figures? Interesting. I don't believe your assertion is correct, so I will tentatively conclude that you are delusional on these additional matters of fact.

I'll be happy to rescind my conclusion of delusional, just as soon as you post links to credible evidence of corrected data.

... and even if you might be using some actual facts ... emphasizing facts (if true) in your favor

I know that at one time, in about late 2017, you and your buddy, PeterR were advocating 50/50 or some baloney like that

Nope. You misrememberate. I think Peter suggested just not divesting your other Bitcoins. For my part, I have divulged several times that I have several times the number of BCH, and of BSV, than I do of BTC, though the dollar value of my BTC exceeds the rest of my holdings. And no, I do not feel stupid about it. I fully expect total vindication upon the onset of Blockalypse II. Even if not, I am doing just fine, thankyouverymuch.

That is not much materially different than I had remembered, and of course, you are trying to say that you have some different holding and allocations phylosophy from PeterR.

Nonetheless, it sure it is good to figure out some of these stakes from time to time (even for the benefits of other readers of this thread who might read some of you frequently bitcoin naysaying posts), and surely even though I disagree with you opinions in terms of your choice to hold onto those two shitcoins (bcash variants ABC and SV), I disagree with you pumpening baloney Bcash crap here, but it is laudable that you, at least, to give us some ideas about the approximate ratios of your bcash bag holdings, especially if you are going to be making certain kinds of uptalking attempts of those bcash variants and attempting to suggest that such talk is somehow relevant to this thread, including your ongoing bitcoin neggings..

By the way, even though you are saying that your dollar value held in BTC is greater than BCH and BSV, that would not be too difficult to accomplish by even holding 10x more of each of those stupid ass shit coins, based on current BTC dollar values, but yeah, perhaps there will be some kind of pumpening of those coins, but I doubt that long term holding of those coins would be prudent, nor vindication likely, as you are suggesting, but surely if your money is where your mouth is, then perhaps that is some kind of credibility... even if still seeming to stretch the concept of relevance, here, especially when a kind of meaningful vindication, such as either of those shit projects gaining meaningful network effects to supplant bitcoin (which seems to be what you are suggesting to be not only plausible but likely) seems to be quite a long shot - maybe even in the less than 1% scenarios of likelihood, similar to roach's seeming planning and preparing for Armageddon.....
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August 13, 2019, 11:31:34 PM
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I already responded both that your facts are not correct and also,

So you're asserting that the charts I posted links to contain fraudulent figures? Interesting. I don't believe your assertion is correct, so I will tentatively conclude that you are delusional on these additional matters of fact.

I'll be happy to rescind my conclusion of delusional, just as soon as you post links to credible evidence of corrected data.

... and even if you might be using some actual facts ... emphasizing facts (if true) in your favor

I know that at one time, in about late 2017, you and your buddy, PeterR were advocating 50/50 or some baloney like that

Nope. You misrememberate. I think Peter suggested just not divesting your other Bitcoins. For my part, I have divulged several times that I have several times the number of BCH, and of BSV, than I do of BTC, though the dollar value of my BTC exceeds the rest of my holdings. And no, I do not feel stupid about it. I fully expect total vindication upon the onset of Blockalypse II. Even if not, I am doing just fine, thankyouverymuch.

That is not much materially different than I had remembered, and of course, you are trying to say that you have some different holding and allocations phylosophy from PeterR.

Nonetheless, it sure it is good to figure out some of these stakes from time to time (even for the benefits of other readers of this thread who might read some of you frequently bitcoin naysaying posts), and surely even though I disagree with you opinions in terms of your choice to hold onto those two shitcoins (bcash variants ABC and SV), I disagree with you pumpening baloney Bcash crap here, but it is laudable that you, at least, to give us some ideas about the approximate ratios of your bcash bag holdings, especially if you are going to be making certain kinds of uptalking attempts of those bcash variants and attempting to suggest that such talk is somehow relevant to this thread, including your ongoing bitcoin neggings..

By the way, even though you are saying that your dollar value held in BTC is greater than BCH and BSV, that would not be too difficult to accomplish by even holding 10x more of each of those stupid ass shit coins, based on current BTC dollar values, but yeah, perhaps there will be some kind of pumpening of those coins, but I doubt that long term holding of those coins would be prudent, nor vindication likely, as you are suggesting, but surely if your money is where your mouth is, then perhaps that is some kind of credibility... even if still seeming to stretch the concept of relevance, here, especially when a kind of meaningful vindication, such as either of those shit projects gaining meaningful network effects to supplant bitcoin (which seems to be what you are suggesting to be not only plausible but likely) seems to be quite a long shot - maybe even in the less than 1% scenarios of likelihood, similar to roach's seeming planning and preparing for Armageddon.....

IF jbreher would make public his actual holding figures maybe his position would be more understandable. He is basically hedging a more than winning bet in either case. He probably doesn't even "need" (as in won't ever spend) as much Bitcoins as he actually still have. And he is somewhat deluded into thinking that the possibility of a "blockapocallipse" is much higher than it really is... so he does hedge his chances knowing that even if he is wrong in his stance about BCH/BSV he will do (very) well. It will just be a small and almost unnoticeable dent on his total net worth. And if he is (he won't) right then double win.

This is a clear case of YMMV and "don't try this at home". His situation is not the average Bitcoiner one. Again, don't fucking try to do this unless you have so much BTC you feel like you need to do something about it... and recklessly blowing it all on lambos, whores and coke is not your thing.

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August 13, 2019, 11:33:58 PM


So he can he be charged for these fraudulent actions?
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August 13, 2019, 11:45:45 PM

If there is no trust with actual 1.1mil btc and by actual I mean btc for which the trust has private keys for, then it is even more idiotic than i thought.
Let's toast to this!

Highly unlikely such a trust actually exists.
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August 13, 2019, 11:48:23 PM

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Theoretically possible but unlikely

CSW will probably end up losing the law suit and have to pay the costs of Ira Kleiman.  But Ira Kleiman is suing to recover something that doesn’t exist so Ira can’t win in any meaningful sense.

So it will all wash away in a wave of bullshit and the BSV shillboys will proclaim it a miracle for BSV.

Someone will jump on something the judge says in the judgement and hold it up as proof that a US court has ruled that CSW is Satoshi.  Of course it won’t say that, but shillboys will believe anything.
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Theoretically possible but unlikely

CSW will probably end up losing the law suit and have to pay the costs of Ira Kleiman.  But Ira Kleiman is suing to recover something that doesn’t exist so Ira can’t win in any meaningful sense.

So it will all wash away in a wave of bullshit and the BSV shillboys will proclaim it a miracle for BSV.

Someone will jump on something the judge says in the judgement and hold it up as proof that a US court has ruled that CSW is Satoshi.  Of course it won’t say that, but shillboys will believe anything.

Yeah, this sounds likely.  there is something about being charged for frivolous lawsuits but that would fall on the plaintiff I think. Which is ironic considering csw is the king of those...well trump is really. Smiley
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https://www.coindesk.com/goldman-sachs-analysts-note-says-nows-a-good-time-to-buy-bitcoin
Do you see stupid manipulation? Where were they when btc was $4k.
Goldman sachs bullish on what they called scam. Dump it.
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August 14, 2019, 12:56:19 AM

I already responded both that your facts are not correct and also,

So you're asserting that the charts I posted links to contain fraudulent figures? Interesting. I don't believe your assertion is correct, so I will tentatively conclude that you are delusional on these additional matters of fact.

I'll be happy to rescind my conclusion of delusional, just as soon as you post links to credible evidence of corrected data.

... and even if you might be using some actual facts ... emphasizing facts (if true) in your favor

I know that at one time, in about late 2017, you and your buddy, PeterR were advocating 50/50 or some baloney like that

Nope. You misrememberate. I think Peter suggested just not divesting your other Bitcoins. For my part, I have divulged several times that I have several times the number of BCH, and of BSV, than I do of BTC, though the dollar value of my BTC exceeds the rest of my holdings. And no, I do not feel stupid about it. I fully expect total vindication upon the onset of Blockalypse II. Even if not, I am doing just fine, thankyouverymuch.

<<... deflection continues ...>>

Lest we forget which facts JJG asserted are incorrect:

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From end of 2017 Feb to mid 2017 Jun, BTC dominance plunged from over 85% to below 40%.
https://coinmarketcap.com/charts/#dominance-percentage

The beginning of 2017 is when blocks started becoming persistently full.
https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/bitcoin-size.html

The loss of dominance was due neither to BCH nor ICOs. 'Twas the Blockalypse. Or more precisely, Blockalypse I.

OK, actually only the first two were facts. The last paragraph was merely a rational conclusion based upon those preceding facts.
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August 14, 2019, 12:59:29 AM

And he is somewhat deluded into thinking that the possibility of a "blockapocallipse" is much higher than it really is...

You may wish to ponderate upon this trend line: https://www.blockchain.com/en/charts/avg-block-size?timespan=all
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August 14, 2019, 01:26:43 AM

no green pump today

Another digital shitcoin scammer vanquished by the savage sword of r0ach the physical silver barbarian.



You gotta zoom out a bit, Roach.

Yeah, maybe some of your old-school PMs are doing relatively well in the short-term; however, if you come at the matter from a broader angle, those PMs have not faired too well, relative to bitcoin, and the future is likely to show a similar history in which, relatively speaking, bitcoin out performs them, by leaps and bounds.

So, yeah, revel while it lasts in some of your short-term pumpenings of various PMs including gold and silver.
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August 14, 2019, 01:35:54 AM

I already responded both that your facts are not correct and also,

So you're asserting that the charts I posted links to contain fraudulent figures? Interesting. I don't believe your assertion is correct, so I will tentatively conclude that you are delusional on these additional matters of fact.

I'll be happy to rescind my conclusion of delusional, just as soon as you post links to credible evidence of corrected data.

... and even if you might be using some actual facts ... emphasizing facts (if true) in your favor

I know that at one time, in about late 2017, you and your buddy, PeterR were advocating 50/50 or some baloney like that

Nope. You misrememberate. I think Peter suggested just not divesting your other Bitcoins. For my part, I have divulged several times that I have several times the number of BCH, and of BSV, than I do of BTC, though the dollar value of my BTC exceeds the rest of my holdings. And no, I do not feel stupid about it. I fully expect total vindication upon the onset of Blockalypse II. Even if not, I am doing just fine, thankyouverymuch.

<<... deflection continues ...>>

Lest we forget which facts JJG asserted are incorrect:

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From end of 2017 Feb to mid 2017 Jun, BTC dominance plunged from over 85% to below 40%.
https://coinmarketcap.com/charts/#dominance-percentage

The beginning of 2017 is when blocks started becoming persistently full.
https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/bitcoin-size.html

The loss of dominance was due neither to BCH nor ICOs. 'Twas the Blockalypse. Or more precisely, Blockalypse I.

OK, actually only the first two were facts. The last paragraph was merely a rational conclusion based upon those preceding facts.

My dear bear, correlation does not equal causation

A crypto bull market will shrink Bitcoin market dominance

A crypto bull market will also increase Bitcoin transactions

Guess what: both of these things happened
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For fucks sake JJG.  We discussed this yesterday. I asked you quite nicely not to quote Roach.

Ignored for a week for quoting Roach.
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August 14, 2019, 01:40:27 AM

And he is somewhat deluded into thinking that the possibility of a "blockapocallipse" is much higher than it really is...

You may wish to ponderate upon this trend line: https://www.blockchain.com/en/charts/avg-block-size?timespan=all



Nothing to worry just yet. Segwit and tx batching doing its job to increase capacity. And nothing a moderate (ie 2x) additional block size increase plus some LN adoption couldn't solve.

I never said we won't need SOME block size increase. Quite the contrary. But forking to go full retarded on 1GB blocks is... well... just retarded.

That being said, I understand your hedging.  If you believe there is a significant chance for a "blockapocallipse" severely hitting Bitcoin in the near future then... well... maybe your putting (some) of your money when your beliefs are...

Even if that were the case, crypto (as a whole) would be severely (if not deadly) hurt.

Ouch... third dumping leg... probably time to BTFD.
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For fucks sake JJG.  We discussed this yesterday.

Ignored for a week for quoting Roach.



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You gotta zoom out a bit, Roach.

Yeah, maybe some of your old-school PMs are doing relatively well in the short-term; however, if you come at the matter from a broader angle, those PMs have not faired too well, relative to bitcoin, and the future is likely to show a similar history in which, relatively speaking, bitcoin out performs them, by leaps and bounds.

So, yeah, revel while it lasts in some of your short-term pumpenings of various PMs including gold and silver.

Well, we almost made it 48 hours without another ignore...
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