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August 15, 2019, 02:36:46 PM

Man, what a roller coaster ! I finally bought back with a profit, going from 70% cash to 80% BTC, after 2 weeks sweating, so I won't make such big trades again.
You mean you took the risk to sell your BTC expecting that the price will go down? Crazy 🤪

Yes. It's the only way to grow my stash, but I didn't do it right, I should have done smaller trades.
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August 15, 2019, 02:37:45 PM

Good morning Bitcoinland.

We're back to the battle for $10k I see... currently $10038USD/$13375CAD (Bitcoinaverage).

The doldrums of summer continue. Don't worry, autumn is just around the corner.
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August 15, 2019, 02:48:03 PM


Yes. It's the only way to grow my stash, but I didn't do it right, I should have done smaller trades.
Good lord. Happy that you recovered.
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August 15, 2019, 02:49:59 PM
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It can stay like this for years as far as I'm concerned. I'll DCA all the way.


News...
https://cointelegraph.com/news/time-for-plan-says-vaneck-exec-as-negative-yield-bonds-hit-27

I think this is nothing more than a blip...
https://cointelegraph.com/news/3b-ponzi-scheme-is-now-allegedly-dumping-bitcoin-by-the-hundreds

Given how China has captured the core group behind the scheme, and China's law enforcement history I'm expecting they'll get death.
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August 15, 2019, 02:50:09 PM

It is not too bad because who bought at dip can enjoy the bounce back and significant profits. However, I don't think bitcoin has already finished its correction. In my forecast, bitcoin will have to witness the last round of dip to finish its correction. When it finishes, it will rocket up, and we will never see bitcoin in the range below $14000.
How deep you think we can go from here. Correction is always healthy. Never seeing below $14k will be awesome to see however nothing is certain in Bitcoin.
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August 15, 2019, 02:53:07 PM

How deep you think we can go from here. Correction is always healthy. Never seeing below $14k will be awesome to see however nothing is certain in Bitcoin.
Around $8000, then boom, we will never see bitcoin stay below $14000.
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August 15, 2019, 02:53:31 PM

Jays in Seattle next week Jimbo.

Always a good time.
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August 15, 2019, 03:05:40 PM

Around $8000, then boom, we will never see bitcoin stay below $14000.
I sometimes bang my head against the wall and say myself why don't I take technical analysis very seriously. I need to focus on learning it 🤪
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August 15, 2019, 03:07:05 PM


Fair enough point, but I still would be hesitant to put all my eggs in one basket, no matter what my age. 

Or basket.

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August 15, 2019, 03:08:12 PM

coincidence??

 

I think not
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August 15, 2019, 03:13:19 PM

coincidence??

 

I think not
You mean the left one was also under plastic surgery? 🤪

I do not think so.
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August 15, 2019, 03:15:39 PM

HM, it looks like short term massive decline in bond's yield is cratering the stock market which, in turn, is affecting btc (negatively).
Gold/silver are outperforming, but probably not for too long (short term).
SP500 at 2150-2350 by October? BTW, SP500 is now marginally negative on a 1 year chart.

https://www.tradingview.com/chart/SPX/EsLWA86X-SPX-Top-Date-Coming-2-Sentiment-Low-Free-Market-Timing-Video/

TL;DR If SP500 crashes, bitcoin will go down with it. Then, hopefully, a re-bounce.

I don 't like when BTC follows S&P. Neither if gold follows S&P. It would mean we also run on QE fuel. It should be inverse to S&P... .

Agree, wtf. why people are acting like this is normal?

HM, it looks like short term massive decline in bond's yield is cratering the stock market which, in turn, is affecting btc (negatively).
Gold/silver are outperforming, but probably not for too long (short term).
SP500 at 2150-2350 by October? BTW, SP500 is now marginally negative on a 1 year chart.

https://www.tradingview.com/chart/SPX/EsLWA86X-SPX-Top-Date-Coming-2-Sentiment-Low-Free-Market-Timing-Video/

TL;DR If SP500 crashes, bitcoin will go down with it. Then, hopefully, a re-bounce.

I understand what you are saying but I don’t agree that Bitcoin and SP500 are correlated.  People keep looking to the news to explain Bitcoin price movements, but this is the wrong approach. Bitcoin gives no fucks about trade wars.

We are just going through our usual summer shakes before autumn bull season starts. 

Right, when this did become a thing? The institutional money got everyone's mind warped?

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August 15, 2019, 03:20:16 PM

Given how China has captured the core group behind the scheme, and China's law enforcement history I'm expecting they'll get death.

Is there a tool that can generate those sorts of wallet address graphs?
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August 15, 2019, 03:43:57 PM

never gonna see sub $10k prices again.  Cry

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I would be very happy it that were true.
I have a fraction of my btc hoard loaned out to celsius.network at 4.6% annual interest,
Paid weekly in btc
I sell it as soon as I get it, since I'm retired (thanks solely to btc).
Until last week was 4.6%. now it's 3.75 %

What are you gonna do when celsius.network steals your coins?
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August 15, 2019, 03:47:45 PM

Jays in Seattle next week Jimbo.

Always a good time.

First they play 3 games here in Toronto starting tomorrow night. It's nice to play one of the few teams lower in the standings than the rebuilding Jays.

Of course any game in Seattle is like a home game for the Jays and this will be an opportunity for Jays' fans in western Canada to see the rookie-dominated team, especially the 3 amigos, Guerrero, Bichette and Biggio. Seems just about every game Bichette is setting a new record.

The painful part of the rebuilding process is being left behind and is being replaced by the excitement of seeing the new core gel into a cohesive unit. It helps that this core developed together in the minor leagues, winning championships at each level, and already has a pre-made camaraderie.

Now all the team needs is some pitching but there's even some hope in that. Several of the Jays' rookies are showing great promise and #1 pitching prospect Nate Pearson projects to be an ace. He's still a couple of years away though. By then the young core should be hitting their prime and hopefully a couple of free agents or trades will push the team over the top.

These are exciting times for the Jays, similar to where the Yankees were at a few short years ago.

Hope you get out to see them play at Safeco Field. I love the cheering contests between the 2 groups of fans.  Cool
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August 15, 2019, 04:12:24 PM

Given how China has captured the core group behind the scheme, and China's law enforcement history I'm expecting they'll get death.

Is there a tool that can generate those sorts of wallet address graphs?

Not publicly available, I am afraid.
every decent chain-analytic firm has their own private tool to graph those dependency of course, but they are really careful not to make those available.
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August 15, 2019, 04:21:00 PM

Sorry to interrupt, but can someone please let me know if I should be panicking at this point, because, TBH, I'm seriously, SERIOUSLY thinking of just tuning out anything Bitcoin related until after the halvening and just focus on IRL stuff for a while.

Think I'm finally finding a good IRL routine that is keeping me somewhat entertained and productive. Starting to really get the hang of this retirement thing.

Watching Bitcoin tank like it is, just makes me sad. I don't need it until 2021-ish anyway...

Bah. Someone hold me. No homo.

I honestly think this is a good strategy.  I mean, I am not an active trader.  The tax implications of a sell are too ridiculous for me to profit, and I am in this for the long haul.  Or at least a good medium haul.

Bitcoin has certainly grown me a pair of balls.

The risk we take when we do this is we won't be able to "sell before it's too late"?  But I just see that as a false risk. I am not selling while we are down anyway.

Maybe I drank the kool-aid?  Meh...  Purple drank.
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August 15, 2019, 04:41:24 PM
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Fair enough point, but I still would be hesitant to put all my eggs in one basket, no matter what my age.  Of course, if you are real young and barely just living on your own (moving out of the parent house or even living with parents and in the early stages of building your wealth), then in those cases, you usually do start with just investing in one thing while you are building your portfolio, and then you might start to expand out with the passage of time.  If you only have one investment because you are just starting to invest, then probably in those kinds of circumstances, you might start out with bitcoin... perhaps?  Those are somewhat individually tailored decisions concerning how diversified any person needs to be in terms of cash flow and projected expenses, too.

It also depends on your income. I'm not 20 but still at the start of my career, without a good diploma, so not a great salary. Most of my savings go towards my company's stock, as it's making a matching contribution, it's a safe bet I can't overlook. I was in the stock market but sold everything as it became scary, two years later it has basically not moved (French stock market), so I just lost some dividends, but got peace of mind. Overall I'm 30% company stock, 30% cash, 40% BTC, with BTC's share quite volatile obviously. At current prices I couldn't even buy 1BTC/year so not really worth it, better keep cash and buy when it's lower. I want to put the company stock and some/most of the cash towards a home with a small mortgage on top, after that I might put more money towards BTC, but not even sure, I'd like some land, maybe a bit of forest.

You seem to be describing Armageddon-like scenarios in which gold might prosper in such a way that is appreciating 10x or more from current value, and yeah, I agree that we should not be making the bulk of our investment decisions and/or allocations based on such unlikely scenarios, but we might chose to make 1% to 10% of our investment choices based on such scenarios, especially if we assign them a high probability (such as 10%, which seems a bit high to me, but might seem reasonable to some of the Armageddon nutjobs out there, such as roach and like-thinking acolytes of similar dumbass mindsets)

In that case you also need physical gold, stashed at home. An ETF or whatever is useless. Stashing at home has its own downsides.
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