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April 06, 2018, 05:09:13 AM

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April 06, 2018, 05:57:13 AM

SEC Initiates Formal Proceedings on Coveted Bitcoin ETF

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I wonder if Cboe recommending an etf had something to do with SEC changing there mind?
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April 06, 2018, 06:22:18 AM

I don't think we can quite say they have changed their mind yet. 
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April 06, 2018, 06:30:24 AM

Can we stop pretending three months of crash is somehow tied to tax deadlines?

It would be great.


Remember the chinese new year? Everybody saying it would stabilize after that...





I have to admit, when Bob starts talking bollocks it makes me very nervous.

Every. Single. Time.
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April 06, 2018, 07:00:06 AM
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Looks like 6000 is coming soon.

Hopefully that will bottom and then take off.

I got my margin longs ready to support my coin investments.

At some point bull are gonna turn this around... but I wonder if bears are scared to attempt a 6000 bitcoin?

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April 06, 2018, 08:03:04 AM

SEC Initiates Formal Proceedings on Coveted Bitcoin ETF

https://hacked.com/sec-initiates-formal-proceedings-on-coveted-bitcoin-etf/
I wonder if Cboe recommending an etf had something to do with SEC changing there mind?

What more evidence do you need that bitcoin is a govt orchestrated scam to try and get people into a cashless society slave system instead of physical metals?
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April 06, 2018, 08:03:49 AM

The feeling of doom being right around the corner........
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April 06, 2018, 08:21:56 AM

Considering the enormous trade deficit the US has with China ($375 Billion), China has a lot more to lose from a trade war. But will they be able to surrender and still save face?

The main thing at stake for China is social unrest.  In the entire world, there is no other nation with as much excess production capacity as China.  The world will simply not function on a long timeline with everything being made there.  It's peak globalization so to speak, with no place to go but downwards.  So when they are forced to scale back production capacity, it will be large scale unemployment for a lot of sectors, which then leads to some social chaos and people trying to overthrow the establishment.  This is probably why Xi just made himself dictator.  They foresee shit hitting the fan very soon.

....... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy    usa customers will pay Chinese continue that 375 billion .. only for more expensive+25% price .. whole this trade war from  drumpf is HIDDEN TAX for us gov..and populistic game from falling country ..trump  know.. is impossible produce in usa that some BIG value  commodities and goods(and +pay back that gigantic 200+ trillion debt)... just watch charlieboo313 youtube channel. cayman island is now richiest country in world..240 trillion .. where usa buy back and sell own printed money ))))
Chinese are actually in phase 2 selling technology and borrow money, build in countries arround world with chinese tech. and people..
phase 3 is : selling in most of trade hi tech, military tech, and by nuclear third superpower .. phase 3 is very soon ..until 2025
Chinese are now leader in space and electric economy like cars , power factories, and bioeconomy-dessert to green.. and more , they want lowering dependency on saudis to long future.. and use cheaper resources  from Russia, africa,south america, also becouse they are more trustable partner... for long future..
keep usa in agony like walking death  Kiss  
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April 06, 2018, 08:23:16 AM

O.k. sure.  None of us really know what is going to go on exactly; however, I consider myself similar to you in having had formed a tentative framework for what I believe is going to happen in terms of short term or long term, and surely I have difficulties attempting to predict on any kind of meaningful basis except having decent considerations that bitcoin is a good long term investment and it is good to accumulate bitcoin, and even if there is short term noise, the fundamentals of bitcoin continue to get stronger and stronger.

Speaking about accumulation - I would certainly like to acquire more coins, but I am reluctant to buy now, when the market is almost uninterruptedly falling. At the same time, shorting bitcoin seems to be a dangerous pursuit. I am not a trader, although I played with some very small amounts about a year ago, before realizing that simply buying and holding can give better results. But at present I am thinking about hedging in the following way: buy bitcoin and simultaneously open a short position for the same amount (probably with 1:1 leverage). If the bear market continues, I would be able to increase both amounts, BTC and fiat. If the trend changes immediately, I would close the shorts. Of course, there is a possibility of another bull trap...

Yes, you seem to have been through quite a few volatile periods, and you seem more pessimistic than me about long term bitcoin fundamentals - even though you seem to have a decently long term following the space.  I gave you a merit for your explanation anyhow, in spite of your "lackings."... hahahahaha

Thanks! I am not pessimistic about fundamentals, I am pessimistic about the economic system in general. The financial capital survived a lot of transitions, from telegraph and telephones to computers and Internet, from precious metals to fiat. It will embrace bitcoin and blockchain if it is profitable, but it will not change the system.

Of course, this concept is fundamental to any volatile investment, but people still use it in differing ways.  I use it to consider that I am not leveraging or betting and that I have my living expenses covered for 6 months into the future with my cash flow, then any extra I can invest into bitcoin.  Over time, that can add up to a lot of money, especially once the bitcoin ends up appreciating 30x... So maybe starting off with a modest $10k ends up in the $300k territory... so motivations can change, even though the initial $10k did not seem to be very much the $300k gets into Lambo territory.. and some folks start to think,.... " I could have had a lambo for $10k?" when the price starts to go down, we can see where there can be emotions... and how much was initially invested can get lost in the shuffle.

At present I have a job that pays well (by local standards) and I am completely independent of any bitcoin fluctuations. It is a stockpile for the future. But cautious investing of my spare money looks appealing now, as it was in the summer of 2017. I am a man of simple tastes, I do not need a Lambo Wink Even 10x from the current level (or 3x from the ATH) would make me quite happy. Of course, 30x is better.

I learn about about myself and about my own stance by attempting to interact on ideas.. but sure, sometimes, just reading can be insightful, too.

Yes, interaction often helps to refine one's own position.
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April 06, 2018, 08:25:36 AM

Looks like 6000 is coming soon.

Hopefully that will bottom and then take off.

I got my margin longs ready to support my coin investments.

At some point bull are gonna turn this around... but I wonder if bears are scared to attempt a 6000 bitcoin?

 Roll Eyes

Weren´t we at 11000 just recently ? Now we´re talking 6000. Sometimes, i can´t keep up. Left, Right, and then directly into my balls . . . I´m a masochist !  Smiley
My girfriend  doesn´t understand it either.

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April 06, 2018, 08:28:15 AM
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With apologies, well, to all, we were riffing last night on what the Linnaean classification for certain terms might be.
Things are somewhat hazy, but I remember thus far

Capitulator ad ursos - weak hand
Adsiduus ad bellos - taxpayer
Emptor fomoensis - noob investor
Anima elota - rekt
Ferox tenator - hodler
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April 06, 2018, 08:41:19 AM

This is dropping faster then even I speculated. I thought that you'll get some temporal relief to like 7200$ during the weekend, but looks like it just keeps going down.
The market has 7billion$ worth of annual mining expenses on their back, while very little new money is currently rolling in. So, makes sense.
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April 06, 2018, 08:41:46 AM
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Can we stop pretending three months of crash is somehow tied to tax deadlines?
It would be great.
Remember the chinese new year? Everybody saying it would stabilize after that...
I have to admit, when Bob starts talking bollocks it makes me very nervous.
Every. Single. Time.

mumble mumble broken clock twice a day mumble mumble

EDIT: OOF. That 6 month chart is starting to look quite grim.
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April 06, 2018, 08:44:26 AM

We've seen it all before. See you all again in 2021 Smiley
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April 06, 2018, 08:47:08 AM

It's been a month since we last saw 5 digits

i told u
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If we go below 10k again, i am not sure we'll see 5 digits again for a very long time if ever.
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April 06, 2018, 09:10:53 AM

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/making-bitcoin-legal.pdf Ross Anderson, Ilia Shumailov and Mansoor Ahmed
shoulda read http://trilema.com/2014/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint/
and http://trilema.com/2012/the-reasons-why-bitcoin-securities-cant-be-regulated-by-the-sec/
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With apologies, well, to all, we were riffing last night on what the Linnaean classification for certain terms might be.
Things are somewhat hazy, but I remember thus far

Capitulator ad ursos - weak hand
Adsiduus ad bellos - taxpayer
Emptor fomoensis - noob investor
Anima elota - rekt
Ferox tenator - hodler

Is there further classification of hodlers into subspecies? Wink
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April 06, 2018, 09:33:46 AM
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Ferox tenator - hodler
Is there further classification of hodlers into subspecies? Wink

eg:

Ferox Tenator Nervosa
Ferox Tenator Zennist
Ferox Tenator Testicular-Grande
Ferox Tenator Capitulatos
Ferox Tenator Nihilismos


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Edit: I suck at this whole latin/taxonomy thing. You guys get the idea. Not deleting otherwise nonsense-post.
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April 06, 2018, 09:40:15 AM
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April 06, 2018, 09:45:09 AM

From 12 to 8 is a 33% variation. Maybe this kind of variation will be the norm now.

Double the price from 6 to 12, fall to 8, then double again to 16, fall to around 10, then double again to 20. How much time would this take?

I dont think we can reach 100k this year anymore. For that, we would be at 20k right now.

But we can still reach 50-70k by the end of the year.

My rough guesstimate would be 67-68 days.

for what?

For people to finally learn that price predictions are pure fine grade BS.

Or to not make investment decisions based on advice from random guys on a forum.

Take your pick  Wink

around 25 march we'll be around 5K

how's that for price prediction and timing ? 19 days left.  

you guys don't realize how powerful and mighty good some of us are at this game.

I guess everyone can see it coming now...

Sorry, I was off by a few days, I had clearly underestimated the amount of novices in the markets. It's not really reassuring for the future, as their optimistic attitude will have to be balance by as much desperation.

So yeah long term, we are going under 5K
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