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[Phil_S]

You afraid to answer the question ?

Trump said that under intense pressure from the media. He doesn't actually believe it.

It's obvious that you're trying to put people into a box: "oh you support Trump, so you must agree with everything he said ever".

You think your opponents are so stupid that such primitive tricks might work?

[Torque]

The Republican controlled Senate House Committee came to the conclusion that Russia interfered in the election.

Just so we are clear, you don’t believe the Republican Party when they say Russia interfered in the election?

The entire establishment is on the left, so no.

Ok.  


Do you believe Trump when he says that Russia meddled in the election?  

Or is Trump part of the establishment / Deep State?

I believe that Russia could have "meddled in the election". But here's the thing : specifics and facts matter.

"Meddling" as in hacking/rigging voting machines would matter. Actually it would matter a lot, as it would be a serious breach of U.S. national security and sovereignty. It would be the thing to get really upset over.

-vs.-

"Meddling" as in creating a bunch of bogus Facebook accounts and marketing propaganda against the Dems does not matter. As not only does that shit happen around the world every single year (political smear campaigns are the norm), and apparently anyone with enough $$$ and clout can do that, but it would specifically be a Facebook problem. One that they don't seem very keen on making sure doesn't happen again. FACEBOOK problem.

So please, quit bandying around "meddling in the election" as some kind of generic catch all smoking gun. It isn't.

[Rosewater Foundation]

I used to be very confused about Donald Trump until I realized he is the America most Americans actually want. Democracy is odd.

[Phil_S]

Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, YouTube, etc are global platforms, people all over the world use it to discuss freaking everything, including U.S. elections. Better get used to it, because it's not going away, ever. U.S. voters are going to be exposed to opinions of foreigners.

By the way, John Oliver is a foreigner, right?  

[Rosewater Foundation]

Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, YouTube, etc are global platforms, people all over the world use it to discuss freaking everything, including U.S. elections. Better get used to it, because it's not going away, ever. U.S. voters are going to be exposed to opinions of foreigners.

By the way, John Oliver is a foreigner, right?  

Most commonwealth citizens are initially appalled by American-style DIY healthcare. Watching people die for no good reason probably takes some getting used to.

[gentlemand]

Watching people die for no good reason probably takes some getting used to.

Here in Brexit Britain they've now set up mobile cinemas in car parks around in the country in anticipation of the dismantling of the NHS.

Each citizen spends several hours a day watching the debilitated being towed out and left on glaciers after 'death committees' have decided they're no longer viable. Slippery devices are attached to one's johnson or minge and you're only allowed out when you signal your approval by sexual arousal.

[Rosewater Foundation]

All collective action toward the public good is for suckers. Your tribe extends to your front door and no further. Whatever.

[Phil_S]

Google and Amazon etc compete by giving employees not only salaries, but "free" cafeteria food, "free" dental etc.

Rich western countries compete that way too. It's up to each country what kind of "free" benefits like healthcare they should provide.

You don't like "salary+benefits" package, you move to a better country.

[SimonJones]

From the pool it looks like bears are in the majority. Looks like it's time for the bull market to start. Interesting days.

[bitserve]

But, but... Bitcoin?

[Rosewater Foundation]

Google and Amazon etc compete by giving employees not only salaries, but "free" cafeteria food, "free" dental etc.

Rich western countries compete that way too.

It's up to each country what kind of "free" benefits like healthcare they should provide.

Corporations are soulless mummies mandated to maximize shareholder profit. Imagining market forces will manage humans with anything other than complete indifference is nuts.

You don't like "salary+benefits" package, you move to a better country.

Just everybody get rich and move to a seastead then. Good plan.

[MERlT]

All collective action toward the public good is for suckers. Your tribe extends to your front door and no further. Whatever.

True, just give them a flag and a dose of x-factor twice a week, and the Sheeple will never even notice!

[gentlemand]

It's up to each country what kind of "free" benefits like healthcare they should provide.

America's health businesses have got it nailed. Not only do health providers charge the population, they also make the American government spend more than double per capita what other governments spend for the 'free' stuff.

That's an extremely impressive trick.

[HairyMaclairy]

It’s 4 times the cost.  For worse outcomes on average.  But freedom !

[Rosewater Foundation]

It’s 4 times the cost.  For worse outcomes on average. 

Corporations are in the business of fleecing people. It stands to reason.

[Totscha]

But, but... Bitcoin?

Bitcoin is a side topic.

Join the main debates: juice, ruskies and global corporate domination.

[Phil_S]

It's up to each country what kind of "free" benefits like healthcare they should provide.

America's health businesses have got it nailed. Not only do health providers charge the population, they also make the American government spend more than double per capita what other governments spend for the 'free' stuff.

That's an extremely impressive trick.

I don't think John Oliver is coming back to UK... nice HBO salary far outweighs the negatives.

[Heater]

But, but... Bitcoin?

Bitcoin is a side topic.

Join the main debates: juice, ruskies and global corporate domination.

And minge, you forgot minge. But I did learn a new word today.

[Torque]

Google and Amazon etc compete by giving employees not only salaries, but "free" cafeteria food, "free" dental etc.

Offset by setting up shop in the nation's most expensive cities, where housing is completely unaffordable, no free parking, high food/drink costs outside of work, highest city and state taxes, etc. And talk of adding a 'head tax'.

So no, not really "free". They get their pound of flesh one way or another.

Hey, live in San Fran, make north of $80K/year, and you can.... live in a van down by the river!
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/high-rents-force-silicon-valley-live-vehicles

[Rosewater Foundation]

America I feel sentimental about the Wobblies.