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Author Topic: [1500 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool  (Read 2035316 times)
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April 07, 2013, 02:47:13 PM
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I've spent quite a bit of time hacking on the Avalon(s) the last few days thanks to Aseras and then Xiangfu giving me access to them. I've come to the conclusion that any latency issues that prevent it mining on p2pool should be resolved in the next cgminer release incorporating the changes I've committed to the code. The max latency for restart should be on the order of 100ms now which is fine even for 10s longpolls. Hopefully it will talk to p2pool better via stratum as well.

Truly impressive. I can't wait to see a bunch of ASICs join p2pool.

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April 07, 2013, 03:41:58 PM
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Alas the p2pool end is not exactly playing ball with the avalons though, and I'm not touching the p2pool code itself, just trying to make Avalons work well and be prepared to work with p2ool design, assuming p2pool scales and does all the right things. The current p2pool git master does not meet that criteria, and Aseras himself has been playing with that as you can see above.

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April 07, 2013, 04:19:23 PM
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I think I'm mining. My miners look like they are mining. Fans are spinning high and the room is getting warm. Yet the top graph is flat at zero even on the hour view. Is this supposed to be the case?

Local rate on main page also says 0. What is happening to the MH/s that my miners are claiming?

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April 07, 2013, 06:05:05 PM
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I think I'm mining. My miners look like they are mining. Fans are spinning high and the room is getting warm. Yet the top graph is flat at zero even on the hour view. Is this supposed to be the case?

Local rate on main page also says 0. What is happening to the MH/s that my miners are claiming?

If your miners have a Bitcoin address username, this will happen. Those graphs and numbers are for the main address, which defaults to one requested from bitcoind and can be set with the -a option on P2Pool. Letting P2Pool manage the payout address is the recommended course.

However, your local rate and current payout should show up under the "Miners" header on the graphs page.

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April 07, 2013, 06:51:03 PM
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I think I'm mining. My miners look like they are mining. Fans are spinning high and the room is getting warm. Yet the top graph is flat at zero even on the hour view. Is this supposed to be the case?

Local rate on main page also says 0. What is happening to the MH/s that my miners are claiming?

If your miners have a Bitcoin address username, this will happen. Those graphs and numbers are for the main address, which defaults to one requested from bitcoind and can be set with the -a option on P2Pool. Letting P2Pool manage the payout address is the recommended course.

However, your local rate and current payout should show up under the "Miners" header on the graphs page.

My miners are using the noob/sauce user & password but I did use the -a option to set the address to my bitcoinspinner wallet.

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April 07, 2013, 06:58:45 PM
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My miners are using the noob/sauce user & password but I did use the -a option to set the address to my bitcoinspinner wallet.

Hm. Litecoin mining?

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April 07, 2013, 06:59:09 PM
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My miners are using the noob/sauce user & password but I did use the -a option to set the address to my bitcoinspinner wallet.
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April 07, 2013, 07:37:14 PM
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My miners are using the noob/sauce user & password but I did use the -a option to set the address to my bitcoinspinner wallet.
bitcoinspinner? do you know if that wallet can receive generated coin? you should confirm that before you mine to that wallet.

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I had no idea that one could not. I will try without setting the address later and see if that helps any.

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April 07, 2013, 07:48:17 PM
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Alas the p2pool end is not exactly playing ball with the avalons though, and I'm not touching the p2pool code itself, just trying to make Avalons work well and be prepared to work with p2ool design, assuming p2pool scales and does all the right things. The current p2pool git master does not meet that criteria, and Aseras himself has been playing with that as you can see above.

Appreciate all your hard work ckolivas, fair play to you.  Can I ask you what, in your experienced opinion, do you think needs to be done to the p2pool code/program in order for it to play nicely with avalons/stratum? In laymans terms if possible please..... Wink

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April 07, 2013, 10:12:40 PM
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The avalon is not like 1 very fast miner. It's not a Ferrari. It's a freight train. It's a lot of little miners working together. On p2pool with short long polls, it has too much "momentum" going on to stop and start again quickly so you loose a significant amount of work.  99% of work at high difficulties are returned in 15 seconds. Some take as long as 20+ seconds.

Right now most of p2pool work is "weak". I use +16 and +32 difficulty shares. That seems to even out the earnings since a single valid share at that difficulty counts as dozens or more at normal difficulty, and most work is discarded anyways.

The fork I made was to extend LP time to 15 seconds, 20 seconds and 30 seconds to see how each worked. 15 worked almost as well as 30. 20 seemed to be the sweet spot though. 10 still causes considerable lost work to doa or reject shares.

My suggestion currently would be to make a hard fork and create a p2pool-ASIC fork, and keep the current p2pool as p2pool-gpu. They would be completely separate.

Although that's just my assumption as I don't know how hard it would be to integrate them, or how much it would hurt gpu.

I do feel however that any gpu miners days are seriously numbered. And the quickly rising difficulty is going to bury them and necessitate changes to p2pool to accommodate the longer time needed to do much larger difficulty, longer work times. it will pretty much make gpu mining bitcoin unworkable except for the complete die hards, the stupid or botnets within a few months.
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April 07, 2013, 10:33:13 PM
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Still getting 0H/s even with the -a removed. The output from my miner doesn't look right though. I don't know if that's just a p2pool thing though. Any ideas?

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07/04/2013 23:31:18, started OpenCL miner on platform 0, device 1 (Cypress)
 07/04/2013 23:31:18, Setting server (noob @ localhost:9332)
localhost:9332 07/04/2013 23:31:18, checking for stratum...
localhost:9332 07/04/2013 23:31:19, diverted to stratum on localhost:9332
localhost:9332 07/04/2013 23:31:19, Setting new difficulty: 0.999984741211
localhost:9332 07/04/2013 23:31:20, authorization failed with noob:sauce@localhost:9332
localhost:9332 07/04/2013 23:31:20, Setting new difficulty: 0.999984741211
localhost:9332 07/04/2013 23:31:23, IO errors - 1, tolerance 2
localhost:9332 07/04/2013 23:31:49, checking 1615820210 <= 0
localhost:9332 07/04/2013 23:31:50, checking 3741571565 <= 0
localhost:9332 07/04/2013 23:32:06, checking 1991599613 <= 0
localhost:9332 07/04/2013 23:32:08, checking 2221794573 <= 0
localhost:9332 07/04/2013 23:32:18, 0:1:Cypress [298.922 MH/s (~0 MH/s)] [Rej: 0/0 (0.00%)]

This is the command line if that helps

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April 07, 2013, 10:38:04 PM
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I do feel however that any gpu miners days are seriously numbered. And the quickly rising difficulty is going to bury them and necessitate changes to p2pool to accommodate the longer time needed to do much larger difficulty, longer work times. it will pretty much make gpu mining bitcoin unworkable except for the complete die hards, the stupid or botnets within a few months.

Actually... people have been saying that for 6 months now.  ASICs are still very hard to come by (and there's no way I'm spending $10k on an avalon).  At $150/BTC, and electricity at $.05, I'm still very profitable with GPUs.  Not reaping it in hand over fist like the lucky folks who got batch 1/2 avalons, but still very profitable.  Probably more so than it's ever been, even back pre-halving days.  The rising value of BTC is what people seem to forget.  Yes difficulty is 2x what it was a few months ago, but so is the value of BTC.

As for forking.. I'm not using p2pool as long as there's < 1TH in it.  The variance is simply too much for me.  If the ASIC fork is unusable by GPUs, then I simply will never use p2pool again.  It's unfortunate, but that's how it is.

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April 07, 2013, 10:55:01 PM
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As for forking.. I'm not using p2pool as long as there's < 1TH in it.  The variance is simply too much for me.  If the ASIC fork is unusable by GPUs, then I simply will never use p2pool again.  It's unfortunate, but that's how it is.
Instead of switching and helping us you're sitting there and waiting for miracle. Act now and do something, waiting will never help it to raise to that hashrate level. I just switched my miners to p2pool couple of days ago, I will accept variance because I am getting more BTC than anywhere else.
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April 07, 2013, 11:04:14 PM
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As for forking.. I'm not using p2pool as long as there's < 1TH in it.  The variance is simply too much for me.  If the ASIC fork is unusable by GPUs, then I simply will never use p2pool again.  It's unfortunate, but that's how it is.
Instead of switching and helping us you're sitting there and waiting for miracle. Act now and do something, waiting will never help it to raise to that hashrate level. I just switched my miners to p2pool couple of days ago, I will accept variance because I am getting more BTC than anywhere else.
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Shares: 1056 (79 orphan, 25 dead) Stale rate: ~9.8% (8-12%) Efficiency: ~114.2% (111-117%)

As I said, the variance is too much for me. 

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April 07, 2013, 11:06:21 PM
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I do feel however that any gpu miners days are seriously numbered. And the quickly rising difficulty is going to bury them and necessitate changes to p2pool to accommodate the longer time needed to do much larger difficulty, longer work times. it will pretty much make gpu mining bitcoin unworkable except for the complete die hards, the stupid or botnets within a few months.

Actually... people have been saying that for 6 months now.  ASICs are still very hard to come by (and there's no way I'm spending $10k on an avalon).  At $150/BTC, and electricity at $.05, I'm still very profitable with GPUs.  Not reaping it in hand over fist like the lucky folks who got batch 1/2 avalons, but still very profitable.  Probably more so than it's ever been, even back pre-halving days.  The rising value of BTC is what people seem to forget.  Yes difficulty is 2x what it was a few months ago, but so is the value of BTC.

As for forking.. I'm not using p2pool as long as there's < 1TH in it.  The variance is simply too much for me.  If the ASIC fork is unusable by GPUs, then I simply will never use p2pool again.  It's unfortunate, but that's how it is.

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Agreed. Also, if I DID have an Avalon I would point it at a more compatible pool that would get the most out of it, obviously. Forking p2pool is not a good idea at all, what would happen if Avalon chips decide to pack in after 6 months? Far better for everyone if p2pool was compatible with ALL miners, as is the norm.

lenny, if you consider 3 blocks/payouts  per week the most you've earned than anywhere else you must have been doing something badly wrong before...... Roll Eyes

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April 07, 2013, 11:08:58 PM
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I do feel however that any gpu miners days are seriously numbered. And the quickly rising difficulty is going to bury them and necessitate changes to p2pool to accommodate the longer time needed to do much larger difficulty, longer work times. it will pretty much make gpu mining bitcoin unworkable except for the complete die hards, the stupid or botnets within a few months.

Actually... people have been saying that for 6 months now.  ASICs are still very hard to come by (and there's no way I'm spending $10k on an avalon).  At $150/BTC, and electricity at $.05, I'm still very profitable with GPUs.  Not reaping it in hand over fist like the lucky folks who got batch 1/2 avalons, but still very profitable.  Probably more so than it's ever been, even back pre-halving days.  The rising value of BTC is what people seem to forget.  Yes difficulty is 2x what it was a few months ago, but so is the value of BTC.

As for forking.. I'm not using p2pool as long as there's < 1TH in it.  The variance is simply too much for me.  If the ASIC fork is unusable by GPUs, then I simply will never use p2pool again.  It's unfortunate, but that's how it is.

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Agreed. Also, if I DID have an Avalon I would point it at a more compatible pool that would get the most out of it, obviously. Forking p2pool is not a good idea at all, what would happen if Avalon chips decide to pack in after 6 months? Far better for everyone if p2pool was compatible with ALL miners, as is the norm.

lenny, if you consider 3 blocks/payouts  per week the most you've earned than anywhere else you must have been doing something badly wrong before...... Roll Eyes

Unless I'm missing something, forking isn't necessarily a bad thing.  In fact, I'm pretty sure there are already other forks out there.  This is open source after all.  It shouldn't affect the "GPU" pool at all.

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April 07, 2013, 11:11:55 PM
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I do feel however that any gpu miners days are seriously numbered. And the quickly rising difficulty is going to bury them and necessitate changes to p2pool to accommodate the longer time needed to do much larger difficulty, longer work times. it will pretty much make gpu mining bitcoin unworkable except for the complete die hards, the stupid or botnets within a few months.

Actually... people have been saying that for 6 months now.  ASICs are still very hard to come by (and there's no way I'm spending $10k on an avalon).  At $150/BTC, and electricity at $.05, I'm still very profitable with GPUs.  Not reaping it in hand over fist like the lucky folks who got batch 1/2 avalons, but still very profitable.  Probably more so than it's ever been, even back pre-halving days.  The rising value of BTC is what people seem to forget.  Yes difficulty is 2x what it was a few months ago, but so is the value of BTC.

As for forking.. I'm not using p2pool as long as there's < 1TH in it.  The variance is simply too much for me.  If the ASIC fork is unusable by GPUs, then I simply will never use p2pool again.  It's unfortunate, but that's how it is.

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Agreed. Also, if I DID have an Avalon I would point it at a more compatible pool that would get the most out of it, obviously. Forking p2pool is not a good idea at all, what would happen if Avalon chips decide to pack in after 6 months? Far better for everyone if p2pool was compatible with ALL miners, as is the norm.

lenny, if you consider 3 blocks/payouts  per week the most you've earned than anywhere else you must have been doing something badly wrong before...... Roll Eyes

Unless I'm missing something, forking isn't necessarily a bad thing.  In fact, I'm pretty sure there are already other forks out there.  This is open source after all.  It shouldn't affect the "GPU" pool at all.

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Sorry, my bad use of words - I meant splitting - as in one for gpu's and one for everyone else.

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Far better for everyone if p2pool was compatible with ALL miners, as is the norm.
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April 07, 2013, 11:40:50 PM
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I do feel however that any gpu miners days are seriously numbered. And the quickly rising difficulty is going to bury them and necessitate changes to p2pool to accommodate the longer time needed to do much larger difficulty, longer work times. it will pretty much make gpu mining bitcoin unworkable except for the complete die hards, the stupid or botnets within a few months.

Actually... people have been saying that for 6 months now.  ASICs are still very hard to come by (and there's no way I'm spending $10k on an avalon).  At $150/BTC, and electricity at $.05, I'm still very profitable with GPUs.  Not reaping it in hand over fist like the lucky folks who got batch 1/2 avalons, but still very profitable.  Probably more so than it's ever been, even back pre-halving days.  The rising value of BTC is what people seem to forget.  Yes difficulty is 2x what it was a few months ago, but so is the value of BTC.

As for forking.. I'm not using p2pool as long as there's < 1TH in it.  The variance is simply too much for me.  If the ASIC fork is unusable by GPUs, then I simply will never use p2pool again.  It's unfortunate, but that's how it is.

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Agreed. Also, if I DID have an Avalon I would point it at a more compatible pool that would get the most out of it, obviously. Forking p2pool is not a good idea at all, what would happen if Avalon chips decide to pack in after 6 months? Far better for everyone if p2pool was compatible with ALL miners, as is the norm.

lenny, if you consider 3 blocks/payouts  per week the most you've earned than anywhere else you must have been doing something badly wrong before...... Roll Eyes

Unless I'm missing something, forking isn't necessarily a bad thing.  In fact, I'm pretty sure there are already other forks out there.  This is open source after all.  It shouldn't affect the "GPU" pool at all.

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Sorry, my bad use of words - I meant splitting - as in one for gpu's and one for everyone else.

And that's different from a fork how?

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April 07, 2013, 11:41:49 PM
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I do feel however that any gpu miners days are seriously numbered. And the quickly rising difficulty is going to bury them and necessitate changes to p2pool to accommodate the longer time needed to do much larger difficulty, longer work times. it will pretty much make gpu mining bitcoin unworkable except for the complete die hards, the stupid or botnets within a few months.

Actually... people have been saying that for 6 months now.  ASICs are still very hard to come by (and there's no way I'm spending $10k on an avalon).  At $150/BTC, and electricity at $.05, I'm still very profitable with GPUs.  Not reaping it in hand over fist like the lucky folks who got batch 1/2 avalons, but still very profitable.  Probably more so than it's ever been, even back pre-halving days.  The rising value of BTC is what people seem to forget.  Yes difficulty is 2x what it was a few months ago, but so is the value of BTC.

As for forking.. I'm not using p2pool as long as there's < 1TH in it.  The variance is simply too much for me.  If the ASIC fork is unusable by GPUs, then I simply will never use p2pool again.  It's unfortunate, but that's how it is.

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Agreed. Also, if I DID have an Avalon I would point it at a more compatible pool that would get the most out of it, obviously. Forking p2pool is not a good idea at all, what would happen if Avalon chips decide to pack in after 6 months? Far better for everyone if p2pool was compatible with ALL miners, as is the norm.

lenny, if you consider 3 blocks/payouts  per week the most you've earned than anywhere else you must have been doing something badly wrong before...... Roll Eyes

sure, it's still more than any pool that charges fees

the amount earned isn't the issue, the variance is

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