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Author Topic: [1500 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool  (Read 2587069 times)
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April 07, 2013, 10:12:40 PM
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The avalon is not like 1 very fast miner. It's not a Ferrari. It's a freight train. It's a lot of little miners working together. On p2pool with short long polls, it has too much "momentum" going on to stop and start again quickly so you loose a significant amount of work.  99% of work at high difficulties are returned in 15 seconds. Some take as long as 20+ seconds.

Right now most of p2pool work is "weak". I use +16 and +32 difficulty shares. That seems to even out the earnings since a single valid share at that difficulty counts as dozens or more at normal difficulty, and most work is discarded anyways.

The fork I made was to extend LP time to 15 seconds, 20 seconds and 30 seconds to see how each worked. 15 worked almost as well as 30. 20 seemed to be the sweet spot though. 10 still causes considerable lost work to doa or reject shares.

My suggestion currently would be to make a hard fork and create a p2pool-ASIC fork, and keep the current p2pool as p2pool-gpu. They would be completely separate.

Although that's just my assumption as I don't know how hard it would be to integrate them, or how much it would hurt gpu.

I do feel however that any gpu miners days are seriously numbered. And the quickly rising difficulty is going to bury them and necessitate changes to p2pool to accommodate the longer time needed to do much larger difficulty, longer work times. it will pretty much make gpu mining bitcoin unworkable except for the complete die hards, the stupid or botnets within a few months.
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April 07, 2013, 10:33:13 PM
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Still getting 0H/s even with the -a removed. The output from my miner doesn't look right though. I don't know if that's just a p2pool thing though. Any ideas?

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07/04/2013 23:31:18, started OpenCL miner on platform 0, device 1 (Cypress)
 07/04/2013 23:31:18, Setting server (noob @ localhost:9332)
localhost:9332 07/04/2013 23:31:18, checking for stratum...
localhost:9332 07/04/2013 23:31:19, diverted to stratum on localhost:9332
localhost:9332 07/04/2013 23:31:19, Setting new difficulty: 0.999984741211
localhost:9332 07/04/2013 23:31:20, authorization failed with noob:sauce@localhost:9332
localhost:9332 07/04/2013 23:31:20, Setting new difficulty: 0.999984741211
localhost:9332 07/04/2013 23:31:23, IO errors - 1, tolerance 2
localhost:9332 07/04/2013 23:31:49, checking 1615820210 <= 0
localhost:9332 07/04/2013 23:31:50, checking 3741571565 <= 0
localhost:9332 07/04/2013 23:32:06, checking 1991599613 <= 0
localhost:9332 07/04/2013 23:32:08, checking 2221794573 <= 0
localhost:9332 07/04/2013 23:32:18, 0:1:Cypress [298.922 MH/s (~0 MH/s)] [Rej: 0/0 (0.00%)]

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April 07, 2013, 10:38:04 PM
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I do feel however that any gpu miners days are seriously numbered. And the quickly rising difficulty is going to bury them and necessitate changes to p2pool to accommodate the longer time needed to do much larger difficulty, longer work times. it will pretty much make gpu mining bitcoin unworkable except for the complete die hards, the stupid or botnets within a few months.

Actually... people have been saying that for 6 months now.  ASICs are still very hard to come by (and there's no way I'm spending $10k on an avalon).  At $150/BTC, and electricity at $.05, I'm still very profitable with GPUs.  Not reaping it in hand over fist like the lucky folks who got batch 1/2 avalons, but still very profitable.  Probably more so than it's ever been, even back pre-halving days.  The rising value of BTC is what people seem to forget.  Yes difficulty is 2x what it was a few months ago, but so is the value of BTC.

As for forking.. I'm not using p2pool as long as there's < 1TH in it.  The variance is simply too much for me.  If the ASIC fork is unusable by GPUs, then I simply will never use p2pool again.  It's unfortunate, but that's how it is.

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April 07, 2013, 10:55:01 PM
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As for forking.. I'm not using p2pool as long as there's < 1TH in it.  The variance is simply too much for me.  If the ASIC fork is unusable by GPUs, then I simply will never use p2pool again.  It's unfortunate, but that's how it is.
Instead of switching and helping us you're sitting there and waiting for miracle. Act now and do something, waiting will never help it to raise to that hashrate level. I just switched my miners to p2pool couple of days ago, I will accept variance because I am getting more BTC than anywhere else.
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Shares: 1056 (79 orphan, 25 dead) Stale rate: ~9.8% (8-12%) Efficiency: ~114.2% (111-117%)

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April 07, 2013, 11:04:14 PM
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As for forking.. I'm not using p2pool as long as there's < 1TH in it.  The variance is simply too much for me.  If the ASIC fork is unusable by GPUs, then I simply will never use p2pool again.  It's unfortunate, but that's how it is.
Instead of switching and helping us you're sitting there and waiting for miracle. Act now and do something, waiting will never help it to raise to that hashrate level. I just switched my miners to p2pool couple of days ago, I will accept variance because I am getting more BTC than anywhere else.
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Shares: 1056 (79 orphan, 25 dead) Stale rate: ~9.8% (8-12%) Efficiency: ~114.2% (111-117%)

As I said, the variance is too much for me. 

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April 07, 2013, 11:06:21 PM
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I do feel however that any gpu miners days are seriously numbered. And the quickly rising difficulty is going to bury them and necessitate changes to p2pool to accommodate the longer time needed to do much larger difficulty, longer work times. it will pretty much make gpu mining bitcoin unworkable except for the complete die hards, the stupid or botnets within a few months.

Actually... people have been saying that for 6 months now.  ASICs are still very hard to come by (and there's no way I'm spending $10k on an avalon).  At $150/BTC, and electricity at $.05, I'm still very profitable with GPUs.  Not reaping it in hand over fist like the lucky folks who got batch 1/2 avalons, but still very profitable.  Probably more so than it's ever been, even back pre-halving days.  The rising value of BTC is what people seem to forget.  Yes difficulty is 2x what it was a few months ago, but so is the value of BTC.

As for forking.. I'm not using p2pool as long as there's < 1TH in it.  The variance is simply too much for me.  If the ASIC fork is unusable by GPUs, then I simply will never use p2pool again.  It's unfortunate, but that's how it is.

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Agreed. Also, if I DID have an Avalon I would point it at a more compatible pool that would get the most out of it, obviously. Forking p2pool is not a good idea at all, what would happen if Avalon chips decide to pack in after 6 months? Far better for everyone if p2pool was compatible with ALL miners, as is the norm.

lenny, if you consider 3 blocks/payouts  per week the most you've earned than anywhere else you must have been doing something badly wrong before...... Roll Eyes

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April 07, 2013, 11:08:58 PM
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I do feel however that any gpu miners days are seriously numbered. And the quickly rising difficulty is going to bury them and necessitate changes to p2pool to accommodate the longer time needed to do much larger difficulty, longer work times. it will pretty much make gpu mining bitcoin unworkable except for the complete die hards, the stupid or botnets within a few months.

Actually... people have been saying that for 6 months now.  ASICs are still very hard to come by (and there's no way I'm spending $10k on an avalon).  At $150/BTC, and electricity at $.05, I'm still very profitable with GPUs.  Not reaping it in hand over fist like the lucky folks who got batch 1/2 avalons, but still very profitable.  Probably more so than it's ever been, even back pre-halving days.  The rising value of BTC is what people seem to forget.  Yes difficulty is 2x what it was a few months ago, but so is the value of BTC.

As for forking.. I'm not using p2pool as long as there's < 1TH in it.  The variance is simply too much for me.  If the ASIC fork is unusable by GPUs, then I simply will never use p2pool again.  It's unfortunate, but that's how it is.

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Agreed. Also, if I DID have an Avalon I would point it at a more compatible pool that would get the most out of it, obviously. Forking p2pool is not a good idea at all, what would happen if Avalon chips decide to pack in after 6 months? Far better for everyone if p2pool was compatible with ALL miners, as is the norm.

lenny, if you consider 3 blocks/payouts  per week the most you've earned than anywhere else you must have been doing something badly wrong before...... Roll Eyes

Unless I'm missing something, forking isn't necessarily a bad thing.  In fact, I'm pretty sure there are already other forks out there.  This is open source after all.  It shouldn't affect the "GPU" pool at all.

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April 07, 2013, 11:11:55 PM
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I do feel however that any gpu miners days are seriously numbered. And the quickly rising difficulty is going to bury them and necessitate changes to p2pool to accommodate the longer time needed to do much larger difficulty, longer work times. it will pretty much make gpu mining bitcoin unworkable except for the complete die hards, the stupid or botnets within a few months.

Actually... people have been saying that for 6 months now.  ASICs are still very hard to come by (and there's no way I'm spending $10k on an avalon).  At $150/BTC, and electricity at $.05, I'm still very profitable with GPUs.  Not reaping it in hand over fist like the lucky folks who got batch 1/2 avalons, but still very profitable.  Probably more so than it's ever been, even back pre-halving days.  The rising value of BTC is what people seem to forget.  Yes difficulty is 2x what it was a few months ago, but so is the value of BTC.

As for forking.. I'm not using p2pool as long as there's < 1TH in it.  The variance is simply too much for me.  If the ASIC fork is unusable by GPUs, then I simply will never use p2pool again.  It's unfortunate, but that's how it is.

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Agreed. Also, if I DID have an Avalon I would point it at a more compatible pool that would get the most out of it, obviously. Forking p2pool is not a good idea at all, what would happen if Avalon chips decide to pack in after 6 months? Far better for everyone if p2pool was compatible with ALL miners, as is the norm.

lenny, if you consider 3 blocks/payouts  per week the most you've earned than anywhere else you must have been doing something badly wrong before...... Roll Eyes

Unless I'm missing something, forking isn't necessarily a bad thing.  In fact, I'm pretty sure there are already other forks out there.  This is open source after all.  It shouldn't affect the "GPU" pool at all.

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Sorry, my bad use of words - I meant splitting - as in one for gpu's and one for everyone else.

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April 07, 2013, 11:12:32 PM
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Far better for everyone if p2pool was compatible with ALL miners, as is the norm.
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April 07, 2013, 11:40:50 PM
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I do feel however that any gpu miners days are seriously numbered. And the quickly rising difficulty is going to bury them and necessitate changes to p2pool to accommodate the longer time needed to do much larger difficulty, longer work times. it will pretty much make gpu mining bitcoin unworkable except for the complete die hards, the stupid or botnets within a few months.

Actually... people have been saying that for 6 months now.  ASICs are still very hard to come by (and there's no way I'm spending $10k on an avalon).  At $150/BTC, and electricity at $.05, I'm still very profitable with GPUs.  Not reaping it in hand over fist like the lucky folks who got batch 1/2 avalons, but still very profitable.  Probably more so than it's ever been, even back pre-halving days.  The rising value of BTC is what people seem to forget.  Yes difficulty is 2x what it was a few months ago, but so is the value of BTC.

As for forking.. I'm not using p2pool as long as there's < 1TH in it.  The variance is simply too much for me.  If the ASIC fork is unusable by GPUs, then I simply will never use p2pool again.  It's unfortunate, but that's how it is.

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Agreed. Also, if I DID have an Avalon I would point it at a more compatible pool that would get the most out of it, obviously. Forking p2pool is not a good idea at all, what would happen if Avalon chips decide to pack in after 6 months? Far better for everyone if p2pool was compatible with ALL miners, as is the norm.

lenny, if you consider 3 blocks/payouts  per week the most you've earned than anywhere else you must have been doing something badly wrong before...... Roll Eyes

Unless I'm missing something, forking isn't necessarily a bad thing.  In fact, I'm pretty sure there are already other forks out there.  This is open source after all.  It shouldn't affect the "GPU" pool at all.

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Sorry, my bad use of words - I meant splitting - as in one for gpu's and one for everyone else.

And that's different from a fork how?

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April 07, 2013, 11:41:49 PM
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I do feel however that any gpu miners days are seriously numbered. And the quickly rising difficulty is going to bury them and necessitate changes to p2pool to accommodate the longer time needed to do much larger difficulty, longer work times. it will pretty much make gpu mining bitcoin unworkable except for the complete die hards, the stupid or botnets within a few months.

Actually... people have been saying that for 6 months now.  ASICs are still very hard to come by (and there's no way I'm spending $10k on an avalon).  At $150/BTC, and electricity at $.05, I'm still very profitable with GPUs.  Not reaping it in hand over fist like the lucky folks who got batch 1/2 avalons, but still very profitable.  Probably more so than it's ever been, even back pre-halving days.  The rising value of BTC is what people seem to forget.  Yes difficulty is 2x what it was a few months ago, but so is the value of BTC.

As for forking.. I'm not using p2pool as long as there's < 1TH in it.  The variance is simply too much for me.  If the ASIC fork is unusable by GPUs, then I simply will never use p2pool again.  It's unfortunate, but that's how it is.

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Agreed. Also, if I DID have an Avalon I would point it at a more compatible pool that would get the most out of it, obviously. Forking p2pool is not a good idea at all, what would happen if Avalon chips decide to pack in after 6 months? Far better for everyone if p2pool was compatible with ALL miners, as is the norm.

lenny, if you consider 3 blocks/payouts  per week the most you've earned than anywhere else you must have been doing something badly wrong before...... Roll Eyes

sure, it's still more than any pool that charges fees

the amount earned isn't the issue, the variance is

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April 07, 2013, 11:44:17 PM
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I do feel however that any gpu miners days are seriously numbered. And the quickly rising difficulty is going to bury them and necessitate changes to p2pool to accommodate the longer time needed to do much larger difficulty, longer work times. it will pretty much make gpu mining bitcoin unworkable except for the complete die hards, the stupid or botnets within a few months.

Actually... people have been saying that for 6 months now.  ASICs are still very hard to come by (and there's no way I'm spending $10k on an avalon).  At $150/BTC, and electricity at $.05, I'm still very profitable with GPUs.  Not reaping it in hand over fist like the lucky folks who got batch 1/2 avalons, but still very profitable.  Probably more so than it's ever been, even back pre-halving days.  The rising value of BTC is what people seem to forget.  Yes difficulty is 2x what it was a few months ago, but so is the value of BTC.

As for forking.. I'm not using p2pool as long as there's < 1TH in it.  The variance is simply too much for me.  If the ASIC fork is unusable by GPUs, then I simply will never use p2pool again.  It's unfortunate, but that's how it is.

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Agreed. Also, if I DID have an Avalon I would point it at a more compatible pool that would get the most out of it, obviously. Forking p2pool is not a good idea at all, what would happen if Avalon chips decide to pack in after 6 months? Far better for everyone if p2pool was compatible with ALL miners, as is the norm.

lenny, if you consider 3 blocks/payouts  per week the most you've earned than anywhere else you must have been doing something badly wrong before...... Roll Eyes

sure, it's still more than any pool that charges fees

the amount earned isn't the issue, the variance is

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April 07, 2013, 11:59:35 PM
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sure, it's still more than any pool that charges fees

the amount earned isn't the issue, the variance is

You can be 0% on bitminter.

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April 08, 2013, 12:00:59 AM
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i was going to mention the added perk of being able to mine the illustrious 'ixcoins' on p2pool, but it looks like Vircurex has stopped trading ixcoins... even as they were at like a 6 month high..   jesus!   Shocked

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April 08, 2013, 04:22:34 AM
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Anybody else has problems currently?
run_p2pool started ok (loading all shares etc), Scryptminer Gui says it's finding thousands of shares, but no payment in over 9 hours (normally one per hour or more).

Stale rate 19.8% New work found all the time, but no payment, 42kh/s??
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It appears my current problems may have an answer here:

http://www.terracointalk.org/index.php/topic,3.msg275.html#msg275

Getting too late in the night to set up cgminer though. I'll have to play tomorrow.

Edit: Ah, who needs sleep? cgminer installed and graphs are doing something. Yaysome!

Edit2: OK, now to figure out how to get it running under cygwin. Gives "redirection is not allowed". Not a show-stopper but I like to be able to ssh in.

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Can I use P2Pool to set up a PPC pool?

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Anybody else has problems currently?
run_p2pool started ok (loading all shares etc), Scryptminer Gui says it's finding thousands of shares, but no payment in over 9 hours (normally one per hour or more).

Stale rate 19.8% New work found all the time, but no payment, 42kh/s??

I also haven't been paid in about 9 hours myself.  LTC blocks seem have been solved during the night but no payouts for me.

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Anybody else has problems currently?
run_p2pool started ok (loading all shares etc), Scryptminer Gui says it's finding thousands of shares, but no payment in over 9 hours (normally one per hour or more).

Stale rate 19.8% New work found all the time, but no payment, 42kh/s??

I also haven't been paid in about 9 hours myself.  LTC blocks seem have been solved during the night but no payouts for me.
17 hours now, at 42kh/s, but zero payout. All older payments have cleared, but nothing new. Waste of CPU and energy, I am out.
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April 08, 2013, 01:41:25 PM
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I left p2pool running and restarted my litecoind and and cgminer and got paid within an hour.  I think litecoind got messed up somehow.

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