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May 21, 2013, 03:41:04 AM
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I noticed that some nodes have fees. I was wondering how they set it up that way? I am not planning on adding a fee to my node I'm just curious.
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May 21, 2013, 04:53:45 AM
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Yeah right, looks like other pools are confirming these transactions:
http://blockchain.info/fr/unconfirmed-transactions

Currently that's 21MB worth of transactions which is at least 40 blocks with the default bitcoind settings (~500kB).

Down to slightly under 11MB, so it is coming down.
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May 21, 2013, 05:49:00 AM
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Yeah right, looks like other pools are confirming these transactions:
http://blockchain.info/fr/unconfirmed-transactions

Currently that's 21MB worth of transactions which is at least 40 blocks with the default bitcoind settings (~500kB).

Down to slightly under 11MB, so it is coming down.
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Do you have a solution to the bitcoind latency problems that doesn't include taking issue with how people run their p2pool node?
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May 21, 2013, 07:14:34 AM
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Yeah right, looks like other pools are confirming these transactions:
http://blockchain.info/fr/unconfirmed-transactions

Currently that's 21MB worth of transactions which is at least 40 blocks with the default bitcoind settings (~500kB).

Down to slightly under 11MB, so it is coming down.
With thanks to the good pools that are committing them Smiley
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Do you have a solution to the bitcoind latency problems that doesn't include taking issue with how people run their p2pool node?

I do. Fix p2pool software. Bitcoind works perfectly with every other pool, as is the norm. Can you imagine what would happen to Bitcoin if every miner from every pool started messing with the Bitcoin wallet configuration like most p2pool users do? It makes me laugh how p2pool users say that they are doing the most for Bitcoin when the opposite is true by messing with their wallets configuration files. The difference in actual earnings by doing so is marginal at most, while the damage to the Bitcoin network is far greater.

I use p2pool, but I will/have never changed the Bitcoin config - leave that to the devs. Fix that which is broken.

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May 21, 2013, 07:39:00 AM
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Yeah right, looks like other pools are confirming these transactions:
http://blockchain.info/fr/unconfirmed-transactions

Currently that's 21MB worth of transactions which is at least 40 blocks with the default bitcoind settings (~500kB).

Down to slightly under 11MB, so it is coming down.
With thanks to the good pools that are committing them Smiley
Certainly not certain people in this thread ...

Do you have a solution to the bitcoind latency problems that doesn't include taking issue with how people run their p2pool node?

I do. Fix p2pool software. Bitcoind works perfectly with every other pool, as is the norm. Can you imagine what would happen to Bitcoin if every miner from every pool started messing with the Bitcoin wallet configuration like most p2pool users do? It makes me laugh how p2pool users say that they are doing the most for Bitcoin when the opposite is true by messing with their wallets configuration files. The difference in actual earnings by doing so is marginal at most, while the damage to the Bitcoin network is far greater.

I use p2pool, but I will/have never changed the Bitcoin config - leave that to the devs. Fix that which is broken.

I guess the fees would go up, right? 

$ 0.012USD isn't worth it?  Bandwidth limits and such

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May 21, 2013, 08:32:44 AM
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Yeah right, looks like other pools are confirming these transactions:
http://blockchain.info/fr/unconfirmed-transactions

Currently that's 21MB worth of transactions which is at least 40 blocks with the default bitcoind settings (~500kB).

Down to slightly under 11MB, so it is coming down.
With thanks to the good pools that are committing them Smiley
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Do you have a solution to the bitcoind latency problems that doesn't include taking issue with how people run their p2pool node?

I do.

No you don't. If you can't motivate other miners to use your solution it isn't one.

Fix p2pool software. Bitcoind works perfectly with every other pool, as is the norm. Can you imagine what would happen to Bitcoin if every miner from every pool started messing with the Bitcoin wallet configuration like most p2pool users do?

How naive. What do you think pool operators do? Do you think p2pool miners are the first to tune bitcoind? There was a time when several big pools had to reject transactions because they suspected they put enough load on their node that it was generating orphans. There are actually guidelines from Gavin for the kind of filtering you argue against (use Google). Some pool operators actually patch bitcoind to filter some transactions they don't like (at least there was/is a patch for filtering out Satoshidice that was used by at least Eligius recently).

Anyway, I run a p2pool node and I changed its configuration not because of p2pool itself, I have other scripts using getblocktemplate or getmininginfo that can't afford to wait for several seconds on a regular basis. Patching p2pool even if it would make sense in your little world is of no use for me.

It makes me laugh how p2pool users say that they are doing the most for Bitcoin when the opposite is true by messing with their wallets configuration files. The difference in actual earnings by doing so is marginal at most, while the damage to the Bitcoin network is far greater.

I use p2pool, but I will/have never changed the Bitcoin config - leave that to the devs. Fix that which is broken.

What p2pool does is decentralizing mining power, it's good for the network and that's not what is discussed here. Including more than 1MB of transactions is not possible, some selection must be done and if transactions pile up like they did, some transactions must not be relayed or nodes will start to drop from out-of-memory conditions.

This already happened: Bitminter had stability problems recently due to the same transactions that bothered p2pool users, search the forums before posting nonsense.

What is happening is simply free market. If it's too costly for pool operators to include some transactions, they will not be mined and even not be relayed. This is expected. If a transaction is worth being mined/relayed it will eventually be. Arguing against that is a waste of time. And if bitcoind latencies issues become a problem for p2pool miners that they can't solve by tuning its configuration, maybe someone will patch bitcoind.

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May 21, 2013, 08:54:58 AM
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Yeah right, looks like other pools are confirming these transactions:
http://blockchain.info/fr/unconfirmed-transactions

Currently that's 21MB worth of transactions which is at least 40 blocks with the default bitcoind settings (~500kB).

Down to slightly under 11MB, so it is coming down.
With thanks to the good pools that are committing them Smiley
Certainly not certain people in this thread ...

Do you have a solution to the bitcoind latency problems that doesn't include taking issue with how people run their p2pool node?

I do.

No you don't. If you can't motivate other miners to use your solution it isn't one.

Fix p2pool software. Bitcoind works perfectly with every other pool, as is the norm. Can you imagine what would happen to Bitcoin if every miner from every pool started messing with the Bitcoin wallet configuration like most p2pool users do?

How naive. What do you think pool operators do? Do you think p2pool miners are the first to tune bitcoind? There was a time when several big pools had to reject transactions because they suspected they put enough load on their node that it was generating orphans. There are actually guidelines from Gavin for the kind of filtering you argue against (use Google). Some pool operators actually patch bitcoind to filter some transactions they don't like (at least there was/is a patch for filtering out Satoshidice that was used by at least Eligius recently).

Anyway, I run a p2pool node and I changed its configuration not because of p2pool itself, I have other scripts using getblocktemplate or getmininginfo that can't afford to wait for several seconds on a regular basis. Patching p2pool even if it would make sense in your little world is of no use for me.

It makes me laugh how p2pool users say that they are doing the most for Bitcoin when the opposite is true by messing with their wallets configuration files. The difference in actual earnings by doing so is marginal at most, while the damage to the Bitcoin network is far greater.

I use p2pool, but I will/have never changed the Bitcoin config - leave that to the devs. Fix that which is broken.

What p2pool does is decentralizing mining power, it's good for the network and that's not what is discussed here. Including more than 1MB of transactions is not possible, some selection must be done and if transactions pile up like they did, some transactions must not be relayed or nodes will start to drop from out-of-memory conditions.

This already happened: Bitminter had stability problems recently due to the same transactions that bothered p2pool users, search the forums before posting nonsense.

What is happening is simply free market. If it's too costly for pool operators to include some transactions, they will not be mined and even not be relayed. This is expected. If a transaction is worth being mined/relayed it will eventually be. Arguing against that is a waste of time. And if bitcoind latencies issues become a problem for p2pool miners that they can't solve by tuning its configuration, maybe someone will patch bitcoind.

Naive?  My little world?  As that where we're at now - posting personal insults publicly?

Coming from the same person who has constantly denied that there is a problem with the stratum code implementation and still does, even though it's proven - that's quite rich, don't you think? It's a bit sad to dislike someone because they were right, but there's absolutely no excuse to resort to insulting them, weather they are correct or not.

Let's have some manners please......and some constructive criticism instead of childish remarks.

EDIT: And yes, I'm very aware of what pool ops do, thanks.

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May 21, 2013, 09:24:17 AM
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Hello guys.
I am still waiting with my Block Erupter Blades for some developer willing to improve these bugs (stratum proxy incompatible with p2pool and p2pool itself incompatible with BE Blade). I can donate machine worktime to developer.
Can someone is interested in debugging this?

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FWIW, adding this to the bottom of my bitcoind.conf fixed the massive recent latency issues.  Now, I'm not sure if this is the best-for-the-network settings, but it certainly fixed my latency.   I increased the relay fee minimum some, and I think most importantly I doubled the time it takes for txns to become high priority.  Of course, that part is only a temporary fix...

EDIT: This only helped for a couple hours.... Sad

blockprioritysize=500000
mintxfee     =0.0002
minrelaytxfee=0.0002

You should lower blockprioritysize and increase mintxfee/minrelaytxfee a bit more. Blockprioritysize=500000 is way too much, you are allocating 500 kB to free transactions!

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mintxfee     =0.0005
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May 21, 2013, 09:37:33 AM
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Naive?  My little world?  As that where we're at now - posting personal insults publicly?

I'm fed up with trolls and people ignoring reality on some recurrent subjects like bitcoind latency problems. I think you are naive and you can't get the big picture, if you are easily offended by my opinion and think it's a personal attack that's your problem and you are free to ignore me and my opinions. Don't expect me to ignore the misinformation you help spread though.

As for stratum problems, I don't have an opinion right now and IIRC my posts on the subject repeatedly asked for data to find out a pattern and didn't reject problem reports as PEBKAC out of hand like you seem to imply.
I don't have any problem with stratum even with hashrates equivalent or above some people having problems so if there is a bug it's in some configurations not all. If people don't report bugs with enough context for the devs to start investigating, they should not complain that their problem isn't fixed (especially when this work is done for free).

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May 21, 2013, 09:46:57 AM
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Naive?  My little world?  As that where we're at now - posting personal insults publicly?

I'm fed up with trolls and people ignoring reality on some recurrent subjects like bitcoind latency problems. I think you are naive and you can't get the big picture, if you are easily offended by my opinion and think it's a personal attack that's your problem and you are free to ignore me and my opinions. Don't expect me to ignore the misinformation you help spread though.

As for stratum problems, I don't have an opinion right now and IIRC my posts on the subject repeatedly asked for data to find out a pattern and didn't reject problem reports as PEBKAC out of hand like you seem to imply.
I don't have any problem with stratum even with hashrates equivalent or above some people having problems so if there is a bug it's in some configurations not all. If people don't report bugs with enough context for the devs to start investigating, they should not complain that their problem isn't fixed (especially when this work is done for free).

Trolls........lol.

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May 21, 2013, 11:10:34 AM
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You know, all this bickering back and forth about the tx stuff don't make a lot of sense to me. If it wasn't an issue why did the official client add the option in? Clearly there must be some motivation behind it.

When I looked:
Total Fees   1.36079892 BTC
Total Size   12163.966796875 (KB)

Then there are the ones that say your hardware is crap. Umm.. just what should a full node be running on?
Currently I have a Dual Xeon server with 16 cores and 32 Gig of memory and SAS 10k drives in it and a Gig connection to the internet. And I was getting latencies over 10 seconds. How much more power do I need to throw at BTC???


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May 21, 2013, 11:18:40 AM
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i have seen enough , nice steal software this p2pool thing.

its to fucking easy to steal other miners money.

the whole setup of p2pool just sucks.

its designed not to make you money or at least as little as possible.

never install python with the windows executable either , its an easy way to hack your pc.

i've watched this p2pool software enough, how many f*** don't like to edit the source files to their liking?


months of p2pool got me 15 ltc, 4 days solos and i allready have a 50ltc block found.


Keep your shitty hacktool.
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May 21, 2013, 12:54:27 PM
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months of p2pool got me 15 ltc, 4 days solos and i allready have a 50ltc block found.

Keep your shitty hacktool.

So you don't understand shit about mining and you risk being sued for libel by people you don't know anything about. Nice move.

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May 21, 2013, 01:47:09 PM
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i have seen enough , nice steal software this p2pool thing.

its to fucking easy to steal other miners money.

the whole setup of p2pool just sucks.

its designed not to make you money or at least as little as possible.

never install python with the windows executable either , its an easy way to hack your pc.

i've watched this p2pool software enough, how many f*** don't like to edit the source files to their liking?


months of p2pool got me 15 ltc, 4 days solos and i allready have a 50ltc block found.


Keep your shitty hacktool.

yeah, i know

i got 1.2 bitcoins out of bitminter even though i found a 25 btc block

what the hell is that

you dirty ratbastards

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May 21, 2013, 02:10:29 PM
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You should lower blockprioritysize and increase mintxfee/minrelaytxfee a bit more. Blockprioritysize=500000 is way too much, you are allocating 500 kB to free transactions!

Oops.  I misunderstood what blockprioritysize meant, thanks!
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May 21, 2013, 03:47:17 PM
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Naive?  My little world?  As that where we're at now - posting personal insults publicly?

Coming from the same person who has constantly denied that there is a problem with the stratum code implementation and still does, even though it's proven - that's quite rich, don't you think? It's a bit sad to dislike someone because they were right, but there's absolutely no excuse to resort to insulting them, weather they are correct or not.

You were not right, in fact you were very wrong. You need to understand why you're not getting anywhere and people have lost patience with you:

Order of events
1) We had a run of long blocks one month ago around the same time the stratum protocol was implemented in p2pool.
2) You said, "it's impossible to be this unlucky, it must be stratum since that was the most recent change. FIX STRATUM"
3) stratum has absolutely nothing to do with the rate of finding blocks per work. If stratum was 99% broken (so only 1% of the work actually gets accounted for), the rate of finding blocks per work would not have been affected at all - so you were ignored by everyone that knows how mining works since your data did not back up your claim. Also, it was shown that the rate of bad luck was likely to happen when we were at low p2pool network hash rates.
4) Suddenly, without "fixing anything" we had a run of luck close to 180% for a week or two, wiping out the bad luck from (1) above.
5) ASICs came online, no cgminer or p2pool dev had an avalon, but there were reports of p2pool not being able to keep up with avalons
6) actual, real reports with data came out showing that something isn't 100% right with ASICs and p2pool (they work, but need some tweaking) - but still no p2pool dev had one to fix it. We still don't know exactly what it is, but it has something to do with what avalon expects to see and what p2pool is serving. Aseras donated Avalon time to cgminer to finally get cgminer support for avalons.
7) BFL donated an ASIC to forrestv to make sure BFL SCs work with p2pool
8 ) you show up again, "see I was right - you should have listened to me although I had no data and no logical argument backing up my claim"

So in the end, you were wrong - but keep trying until you found someone with a real bug and then claimed credit for it, even though their bug had nothing to do with your evidence or what you are claiming originally.

Let's have some manners please......and some constructive criticism instead of childish remarks.

Demanding fixes without actually knowing what you are asking to fix is childish and naive. Developers don't know what to fix if an oracle shows up saying "fix it" - they need data, which you have never given. It's like saying, "My internet connection is slow. Microsoft, fix Windows!" Then later someone finds a problem with a printer driver and you say, "See, I told you Windows was broken and you all ignored me!" No one in the world will fix it and repeatedly demanding it will get you nowhere. That's why you feel like this lone crusader martyr, you don't know how to help and are frustrated that no one will do what you demand.

We've been begging you to give us data and bug reports for months, but you just lurk around to yell "fix it." That's why people are losing patience with you and is the behaviour of a troll.
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May 21, 2013, 04:37:53 PM
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I noticed that some nodes have fees. I was wondering how they set it up that way? I am not planning on adding a fee to my node I'm just curious.
--fee lol, use --help

Wow don’t I feel like the idiot thx for the help.
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May 21, 2013, 05:34:25 PM
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[..long explanations..]
We've been begging you to give us data and bug reports for months, but you just lurk around to yell "fix it." That's why people are losing patience with you and is the behaviour of a troll.

Wow, you have the patience of an angel.

I'm not in any condition to be patient right now (health problems making my everyday life more difficult) but even in my best shape I don't think I would have it in me to write this.

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May 21, 2013, 05:39:04 PM
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Naive?  My little world?  As that where we're at now - posting personal insults publicly?

Coming from the same person who has constantly denied that there is a problem with the stratum code implementation and still does, even though it's proven - that's quite rich, don't you think? It's a bit sad to dislike someone because they were right, but there's absolutely no excuse to resort to insulting them, weather they are correct or not.

You were not right, in fact you were very wrong. You need to understand why you're not getting anywhere and people have lost patience with you:

Order of events
1) We had a run of long blocks one month ago around the same time the stratum protocol was implemented in p2pool.
2) You said, "it's impossible to be this unlucky, it must be stratum since that was the most recent change. FIX STRATUM"
3) stratum has absolutely nothing to do with the rate of finding blocks per work. If stratum was 99% broken (so only 1% of the work actually gets accounted for), the rate of finding blocks per work would not have been affected at all - so you were ignored by everyone that knows how mining works since your data did not back up your claim. Also, it was shown that the rate of bad luck was likely to happen when we were at low p2pool network hash rates.
4) Suddenly, without "fixing anything" we had a run of luck close to 180% for a week or two, wiping out the bad luck from (1) above.
5) ASICs came online, no cgminer or p2pool dev had an avalon, but there were reports of p2pool not being able to keep up with avalons
6) actual, real reports with data came out showing that something isn't 100% right with ASICs and p2pool (they work, but need some tweaking) - but still no p2pool dev had one to fix it. We still don't know exactly what it is, but it has something to do with what avalon expects to see and what p2pool is serving. Aseras donated Avalon time to cgminer to finally get cgminer support for avalons.
7) BFL donated an ASIC to forrestv to make sure BFL SCs work with p2pool
8 ) you show up again, "see I was right - you should have listened to me although I had no data and no logical argument backing up my claim"

So in the end, you were wrong - but keep trying until you found someone with a real bug and then claimed credit for it, even though their bug had nothing to do with your evidence or what you are claiming originally.

Let's have some manners please......and some constructive criticism instead of childish remarks.

Demanding fixes without actually knowing what you are asking to fix is childish and naive. Developers don't know what to fix if an oracle shows up saying "fix it" - they need data, which you have never given. It's like saying, "My internet connection is slow. Microsoft, fix Windows!" Then later someone finds a problem with a printer driver and you say, "See, I told you Windows was broken and you all ignored me!" No one in the world will fix it and repeatedly demanding it will get you nowhere. That's why you feel like this lone crusader martyr, you don't know how to help and are frustrated that no one will do what you demand.

We've been begging you to give us data and bug reports for months, but you just lurk around to yell "fix it." That's why people are losing patience with you and is the behaviour of a troll.
you know there is a ignore button for spammers/trolls/morons/retards and also for ppl who dont understand anything but trying to argue about it (ie, him) lol

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