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May 01, 2013, 12:40:25 AM
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The amount the share is worth is based on the target diff you were aiming for, not what diff the share ended up being.
Brilliant! Got it now thanks!
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So what does the +d bit do at the end?
(No really! I'd like to be fairly sure I knew!)
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May 01, 2013, 01:34:17 AM
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i update once every day or two, to the latest git version.  though, the main thing as far as the getblocktemplate latency goes is how many transactions you have stored, i.e. bitcoind getmininginfo.  the more that builds up, the slower it goes.   mine is at 360 right now but clears out after blocks..... because I "cheated" a bit and set my relay fee to 50000 (the same as the creation fee, in everything *BUT* 8.1.99)... once the release is made public w/ the 10000 relay & creation fee, then i won't mess w/ it anymore... but as long as all the official releases have the creation fee at 50000, i don't see anything wrong with setting my relay fee to 50000 as well.  that cuts out a lot of the transactions that end up clogging your pooledtx.  

also, max blocksize has a lot to do with it.  i'm at 5k max blocksize, if I went up to 50k, I'd be getting 2 or 3s latency..

It's all on a ramdrive, too... but that has less to do with it then you think, probably.... example (and i had nothing to do w/ his bitcoin address):

http://rehtid.com:9332/static/graphs.html?Week

i sent him a custom copy of bitcoind on tues, now he runs around a constant 3.5-4ms latency.  this is on some cheap $40 OVH machine.  8GB RAM and some semi-junk CPU.   this was accomplished essentially by just raising the tx fee to 100000.  at that rate, you'll only get tx'es that'll clear out on the next block.   he's also set to 5000 max blocksize.   though, you'd start to notice the ramdrive a lot more once you start raising the blocksize.  the problem I have with it is that it also increases the # of orphans..

i think it'd be much better if the block solver got all the TX fees instead of however the reward system works now (and, no, this isn't favoring someone that's 60ghash, because like the share difficulty, in the long run it would all even out).

it does bother me when people have the maxblocksize set to <1000, though.... because occasionally you will get that transaction with the 5 BTC fee and it only takes a few KB to get it in a block...  lenny solved one of those just about a week or two ago (block was worth 33, I believe)

in any case, it isn't a huge deal right now since ~7 blocks are being solved every hour.. but I don't like limiting my blocksize due to the orphans...  there needs to be the counterbalance (re: getting the tx fees).

with my avg 6-7ghash, i've solved 3 p2p blocks in the last 3-4 weeks (yes, amazing luck (ed: also solved 1 block on bitminter, for about 1.5BTC worth of mining... and got an 8M difficulty share earlier today, lol))...   but everyone would distribute my normal reward and the blocks would be .3 or .4 btc more if i got to keep all the transaction fees =p

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May 01, 2013, 01:40:29 AM
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Sorry it seems I mixed up your graphs with centove's graphs, painkillers seems to have a measurable effect on my ability to read...

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May 01, 2013, 01:42:12 AM
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Sorry it seems I mixed up your graphs with centove's graphs, painkillers seems to have a measurable effect on my ability to read...

I just thought you were being sarcastic, w/ the quoted Subo msg  Grin

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May 01, 2013, 01:50:11 AM
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i think it'd be much better if the block solver got all the TX fees instead of however the reward system works now (and, no, this isn't favoring someone that's 60ghash, because like the share difficulty, in the long run it would all even out).

I'd like to see the reward system change as well.  The current one doesn't give much incentive.  I like your idea, all the TX fees go to the solver + his portion of the block.

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May 01, 2013, 02:24:47 AM
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Is there an easy way to keep graph stats when upgrading/using to a newer version ?

I'm using the windows binary.

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May 01, 2013, 02:36:45 AM
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i think it'd be much better if the block solver got all the TX fees instead of however the reward system works now (and, no, this isn't favoring someone that's 60ghash, because like the share difficulty, in the long run it would all even out).

Sounds like something someone with a 60ghash miner would say  Roll Eyes

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May 01, 2013, 03:09:19 AM
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Is there an easy way to keep graph stats when upgrading/using to a newer version ?

I'm using the windows binary.

Just copy the "data" folder to the directory of a newer version.
Or you can keep the "data" folder somewhere outside the p2pool directory,
and add a "--datadir" parameter to your batch file, for example:
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c:/p2pool/p2pool_win32_11.4/run_p2pool.exe --datadir c:/p2pool/data  ...

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May 01, 2013, 03:25:50 AM
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Is there an easy way to keep graph stats when upgrading/using to a newer version ?

I'm using the windows binary.

Just copy the "data" folder to the directory of a newer version.
Or you can keep the "data" folder somewhere outside the p2pool directory,
and add a "--datadir" parameter to your batch file, for example:
Code:
c:/p2pool/p2pool_win32_11.4/run_p2pool.exe --datadir c:/p2pool/data  ...


Thanks a lot.

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May 01, 2013, 04:06:12 AM
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How is the hash rate on the network calculated? I have two miners which combined are averating 1.08Gh/s but p2pool.info only shows ~800MH/s ?

Edit: the 1.08GH/s is from the mean value on my nodes daily graph, not from the miners themselves.

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May 01, 2013, 04:29:59 AM
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i think it'd be much better if the block solver got all the TX fees instead of however the reward system works now (and, no, this isn't favoring someone that's 60ghash, because like the share difficulty, in the long run it would all even out).

Sounds like something someone with a 60ghash miner would say  Roll Eyes
Well, unless it has changed, the block solver already gets a bonus, so if the solver is going to get all the TX fees, then the other bonus shouldn't be done anymore.

Pick one or the other, not both.

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May 01, 2013, 08:56:03 AM
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i think it'd be much better if the block solver got all the TX fees instead of however the reward system works now (and, no, this isn't favoring someone that's 60ghash, because like the share difficulty, in the long run it would all even out).

Sounds like something someone with a 60ghash miner would say  Roll Eyes

 Roll Eyes   except I'm at 5-7ghash, not 60.

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Well, unless it has changed, the block solver already gets a bonus, so if the solver is going to get all the TX fees, then the other bonus shouldn't be done anymore.

Pick one or the other, not both.

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Yeah, so there's really no reason not to just change it over to the TX'es.     Add them to your blocks, take the risk of having a few more orphans, but get the whole TX amt if you solve it

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Yeah, so there's really no reason not to just change it over to the TX'es.     Add them to your blocks, take the risk of having a few more orphans, but get the whole TX amt if you solve it
Except that is the exact opposite of the BTC design.
BTC design is to halve every 4 years coz transaction fees will 'supposedly' cover this over time.
So doing it that way means to head in the direction of giving all the reward to the block finder ... i.e. the opposite of being a pool.

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Well, unless it has changed, the block solver already gets a bonus, so if the solver is going to get all the TX fees, then the other bonus shouldn't be done anymore.

Pick one or the other, not both.

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Yeah, so there's really no reason not to just change it over to the TX'es.     Add them to your blocks, take the risk of having a few more orphans, but get the whole TX amt if you solve it

All p2pool nodes help propagating the transactions contributed to the blocks you mine,
so I guess they all deserve a portion of fees Wink
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May 01, 2013, 12:27:30 PM
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The amount the share is worth is based on the target diff you were aiming for, not what diff the share ended up being.
Brilliant! Got it now thanks!
Uhm.
So what does the +d bit do at the end?
(No really! I'd like to be fairly sure I knew!)

+d changes the difficulty of work that is served to your miner. e.g., if you only want your miner to return 16 difficulty shares to your p2pool node, add +16 to user name. If you want your miner to tell the p2pool node to only send 5000 difficulty blocks back to the p2pool network, then add /5000 to user name. If you want both, append /5000+16 to the name.
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May 01, 2013, 01:48:31 PM
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Yeah, so there's really no reason not to just change it over to the TX'es.     Add them to your blocks, take the risk of having a few more orphans, but get the whole TX amt if you solve it
Except that is the exact opposite of the BTC design.
BTC design is to halve every 4 years coz transaction fees will 'supposedly' cover this over time.
So doing it that way means to head in the direction of giving all the reward to the block finder ... i.e. the opposite of being a pool.

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May 01, 2013, 03:25:23 PM
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so obtuse

i'm not helping propagate your share full of transactions, because it gets orphaned

if a large amount of transactions still cause shares to have an increased chance of being orphaned and assuming people still use p2pool when this may matter, in 4, 8, or 12 years, then i suspect it would be wise to then do a rethink. 

oh, assuming the issue w/ the increased orphans isnt solved by then, in a decade or whatever.

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May 01, 2013, 09:08:15 PM
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great, now just someone should make p2p exchange which is ddos safe and crypto is stabilized.
oh and it vould be a great idea to develop some wallet where you can have several crypto at once.
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great, now just someone should make p2p exchange which is ddos safe and crypto is stabilized.
oh and it vould be a great idea to develop some wallet where you can have several crypto at once.
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How difficult is it to modify the source to support new coins? I have no experience with Python, but I can program in C++.

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