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June 11, 2018, 02:17:45 PM
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13+BTC and confirmed!
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June 11, 2018, 02:30:36 PM
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Let’s get a quick block before noon eastern standard time.

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June 11, 2018, 02:33:56 PM
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Let’s get a quick block before noon eastern standard time.
or even noon PST would be good  Cool

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June 11, 2018, 02:49:10 PM
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Let’s get a quick block before noon eastern standard time.
or even noon PST would be good  Cool

even noon HST  Grin

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I am down to .023 a block

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June 11, 2018, 03:11:28 PM
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8 years of pooled mining and input from many maths geniuses has failed to find a "better way" than PPLNS - the stochastic nature of block finding is the actual issue. Even if I charged 10% fee and ran PPS the pool would have gone bankrupt by now. A different cryptocurrency with a deterministic block finding would be so much easier, but so much more game'able.
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Respectfully...that argument does not seem to hold true...Via & BTC.com should be evidence enough no?
(Via is currently 1% and pays a portion of the TX while BTC. is 3.5% and shares full TX now)
If it is as you say...How do they survive and why are they the top two dogs in the race?

(And I and Tesla would argue those Math experts are idiots and have no relation to true genius..Meni Rosen schmuck especially)

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June 11, 2018, 03:28:03 PM
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I am down to .023 a block
For the 1st 10 blocks I was at 1.14-0.25; if we hit right this second, I'm at 0.09444954 (based on a 13 reward).


...Respectfully...that argument does not seem to hold true...Via & BTC.com should be evidence enough no?
(Via is currently 1% and pays a portion of the TX while BTC. is 3.5% and shares full TX now...

1) the "now" is your answer to that one. Screwing people early on and paying "more" a year later is a PR stunt that anyone can do.
2) via charges 1% on solo and up to 4% on PPS (with PPS paying "up to 96.91%" of expected)
3) How does one use that nickname and not do any actual math before posting?

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June 11, 2018, 03:39:00 PM
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Respectfully...that argument does not seem to hold true...Via & BTC.com should be evidence enough no?
(Via is currently 1% and pays a portion of the TX while BTC. is 3.5% and shares full TX now)
If it is as you say...How do they survive and why are they the top two dogs in the race?

(And I and Tesla would argue those Math experts are idiots and have no relation to true genius..Meni Rosen schmuck especially)


ViaBTC has historically been a classic 4% PPS pool.  They dropped that to 2% for a few months after an issue as a "sorry" response.  If they are down to 1% now its likely because they are keeping a part of transaction fees.  

3.5% for BTC.COM as a PPS pool sharing full TX fees is not a bad deal - IF your need PPS's lower volatility.  

However, unless your a smaller miner (say a S9 or two or less), PPS will cost you more over PPLNS.  Its just a question of risk management (aka variance acceptance).  Slushpool at 2% is large enough you wouldn't feel that variance if measured in terms of months not days.  Kano at 0.9% is good if measured over quarters not weeks.  Ckpool is smaller than Kano, so has even larger variance, but has grown enough recently that your very likely going to find several blocks per difficulty period - which is big enough for those with a very long time horizon.

For those smaller miners "dust" becomes an issue - where your reward is less than the fee associated with sending it to you.  But even there, just select a pool like Slushpool that allows you to set a payout thresehold so your dust can accumulate to something reasonable before payout.

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June 11, 2018, 03:54:39 PM
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When the pool was 10ph or less  blocks came slowly  and our luck was decent.

So pressure of variance simply did not happen.

Now at 168ph  we should hit  5 blocks in a week

So if we hit 2 blocks  we are short 60%

Ie 0.0100 in payouts is 0.0400  that is stressful

We hit  these last 5 blocks  and my payouts  went from .041 to .023  due to high hasher stripping  my %  = bad for me

We hit these last 5 blocks  and we should have hit 9 with average luck  = bad for me.

All of this was has happened in about 35 days  which makes it seem worse.

First 8 months we did about 8 blocks and had average luck.

Last month we did about 5 blocks and had shit luck  

In my case  I collected around

0.1500 with poor luck

if luck was "normal"

it would have been

0.2700 btc

but  the shortfall is true for all of us.

Now I have  t1's here and they do not have much choice  but I could have them at f2pool  doing pps I did not do this.  My decision  to mine here will be me mining here and I won't grumble about "bad" luck

I always liked -ck  so for now I am here.

It just past 12 noon  EST  where is that block?


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June 11, 2018, 04:00:55 PM
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Someone please explain to me HOW exactly... "Variance" knows if a pool is large or small?
Variance occurs IRRESPECTIVE OF SIZE. It IS NOT proportional to ANY given hashrate.
Also Variance MAY HURT small pools MORE than a large pool IF/AS THE DIFF INCREASES...
But Large pools CAN and DO suffer EQUALLY in proportion to small pools from Variance AND diff increases.

Too many people confuse the effects of increasing difficulty with Variance.
They can COMPOUND to be devastating OR highly advantagous but ARE NOT related.

A small pool CAN enjoy great luck OR bad over any given time with either NO increase or a dramatic increase in the diff.
The same is true for a large pool.

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June 11, 2018, 04:07:28 PM
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...Too many people confuse the effects of increasing difficulty with Variance.
They can COMPOUND to be devastating OR highly advantagous but ARE NOT related.

A small pool CAN enjoy great luck OR bad over any given time with either NO increase or a dramatic increase in the diff...
Which begs the question:
Knowing that, wtf are you on about?  Roll Eyes

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June 11, 2018, 04:11:06 PM
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...Too many people confuse the effects of increasing difficulty with Variance.
They can COMPOUND to be devastating OR highly advantagous but ARE NOT related.

A small pool CAN enjoy great luck OR bad over any given time with either NO increase or a dramatic increase in the diff...
Which begs the question:
Knowing that, wtf are you on about?  Roll Eyes

I think his point is luck sucks I want pps

So if I am correct he should go to f2pool  which does  his t1's


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June 11, 2018, 04:14:02 PM
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@genie...you misread the word "NOW"

It meant a change in policy ...as in..."They now pay full tx fees, where as, they did not before"

(Granted is was a dangling modifier and poor English grammar but certainly unrelated to my nickname or math skills so let's be civil no?)

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June 11, 2018, 04:15:36 PM
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@ Genie...never mind
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June 11, 2018, 04:17:42 PM
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@genie...you misread the word "NOW"

It meant a change in policy ...as in..."They now pay full tx fees, where as, they did not before"

(Granted is was a dangling modifier and poor English grammar but certainly unrelated to my nickname or math skills so let's be civil no?)

You seem to have that backwards
I didn't misread that; in fact, I specifically addressed it...
...as in...
"They now pay full tx fees; where as, they intentionally screwed their miners before"

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June 11, 2018, 04:27:21 PM
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Ah my mistake then....my apologies....

So then... They are NOT screwing miners now...I got it now.

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June 11, 2018, 04:28:32 PM
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...Look at the time taken for those two blocks, they are only 34min and 10min blocks.
with 3 EH as opposed to 150PH
because math

Then your sniping doesn't make sense, slush was very lucky on those two blocks, and the numbers add up.

With 3.917 EH they should be making around point 0.138 BTC per minute. Or just over 8.3BTC per hour. In your screenshot they made over 25BTC in an hour.

Thats the very definition of good luck.

Not sure how your "because math" correlates to you having a dig at him with "And how's that working out for you?" regarding him switching to slush.

Unless of course you were complimenting him on his strategy  Tongue

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June 11, 2018, 04:40:01 PM
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...slush was very lucky on those two blocks...
My bad, I forgot that slush displays luck "backwards" in all positives.

Either way, go back 35ish blocks before that to 71.24 %, 30.89 %, 41.70 % and 22.38 % (all in a row) and my point still holds valid that shit happens and slush is going to have bad luck runs where you're going to get runs that are less than "expected" there too.

No pool can avoid bad luck and when it hits, miners will get "less than expected". Period.

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June 11, 2018, 05:23:59 PM
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Block PARTY!!??!!

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Block PARTY!!??!!
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