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[chanberg]

sigh, new blades 4 BTC....

Ummm when we bought it was 8.4 btc for 20 gh   when btc were worth 100
So 4 btc for 10 gh at 120 is more expensive

Well a K16 from Terrahash is $250 = give or take 2 BTC, and this equates to 4.5gh/s (4.5 x 2 = 9)
Blade from AsicMiner is 4 BTC, which ships next week, and is 10.7gh/s

Does not really take a genius to see who has a better advantage..

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[MinermanNC]

knightlife999 Thank you for your useful information

Made Donation for your effort thank you again

Thanks so much Wally! Very much appreciated. I sat in traffic for 3 hours yesterday.

Dude traffic is no joke after 3PM. If you need someone to go carpool with you next time I am in the east bay lol.

BE CAREFUL WHEN DEALING WITH THIS GUY.... I sold him my pre-order #591 a month an a half ago, and now he's trying to keep the pre-order and dispute using paypal.

Real Grimy.

A little confused ,,,who bought your per order? and now is disputing it. Since you posted that

[Bitoy]

Yifu wrote back to zefir
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177827.msg3035535#msg3035535

Yifu is open to chip refund.  

Terrahash should get a refund.

Wait for bitsyncom to offer their chips at a discount and buy it back.

Terrahash can then Distribute the discount to their customer.  

[krayzie32]

Where is Terrahash? They are not responding to emails, tickets, voice call (mail box still not setup).
They are obviously monitoring the forum though.

Let it be known that Terrahash has my chips today. So the two weeks clock starts now.
I need to know what size and spec of fan to buy but I can't find the info as terrahash is not responding to anything.

Looks like someone called TH's bluff.
Now we will see...

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Terrahash, did you or did you not receive hchc's chips?

That's none of your business since those chips and order are not yours and they shouldn't be talking to you about someone else's order.

[krayzie32]

Yifu wrote back to zefir
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177827.msg3035535#msg3035535

Yifu is open to chip refund.  

Terrahash should get a refund.

Wait for bitsyncom to offer their chips at a discount and buy it back.

Terrahash can then Distribute the discount to their customer.  

so wait 6 more weeks so the chips are really not worth their price at all and have no way to ROI just to get a slight discount?

[notlist3d]

We will be assembling a test K64 tomorrow.

We really don't know what's happening at Avalon's end. We have not received any communication from Yifu whatsoever.

We are already working on Plan B. Can't reveal anything right now. But will update as soon as we can.

So what have you done all this time in your office if you still have not assembled another k-16 without so many HW errors, or proper speed?  Take a few week vacation?

Plan B predictions:
Least likely:
Partial refund (will be interesting to see salary and office out of this)

Most likely predictions:
They claim to change chips, this basically extends time they have and they will promise higher speeds with newer generation of chip. 
They claim to change chips, make this a big announcement and open up preorders again.

Worst Case:
They are saying anything they can to get more time.  With this they use it to figure out a way to funnel as much money out of their assets and close shop.  With it being incorporated any assets they are able to get into their personal funds such as salary and other things,  would be much harder to get even with lawsuit with Terahash legally considered its own entity.

[chanberg]

Honestly i don't even know what Terrahash spends the preorder money on.

Their expensive ass case - NEVER TO BE SEEN except a mock, and that silver sample which probably was free from the fabricator
PCB Boards - not ordered yet
Parts from the photo - It probably can be returned, and those parts are cheap. How much can a few thousand resistors cost
They spent money on Avalon chips - Refund is allowed Now
SMT Line - said it was their friends they can borrow while it was being put into production


Only expense they have is:
- Salary
- Rent - phone line, internet, electricity

To be honest if worst comes to worst, they should take a hit on that. I don't understand how a business is run off preorder money. And then yell at us for telling them how to run their business. But then when people want to get refund, all of a sudden we all get to share responsibility as shareholders. Don't tell us that we are customers, but share the burden as an investor (partner) when we want a refund..
When you open a business, thats your risk, whether you make money or lose. I never thought being a BUYER, we would share the burden of being invested into a company.

Such bullshit

[zero-asic]

I just sent in a tech support ticket to Terrahash asking for a full refund.  We'll see how long it takes for a reply.  I'll update once they reply.

[chanberg]

I just sent in a tech support ticket to Terrahash asking for a full refund.  We'll see how long it takes for a reply.  I'll update once they reply.

you and everyone else buddy haha

[Axion_Zen]

We will be assembling a test K64 tomorrow.

We really don't know what's happening at Avalon's end. We have not received any communication from Yifu whatsoever.

We are already working on Plan B. Can't reveal anything right now. But will update as soon as we can.

So what have you done all this time in your office if you still have not assembled another k-16 without so many HW errors, or proper speed?  Take a few week vacation?

Plan B predictions:
Least likely:
Partial refund (will be interesting to see salary and office out of this)

Most likely predictions:
They claim to change chips, this basically extends time they have and they will promise higher speeds with newer generation of chip. 
They claim to change chips, make this a big announcement and open up preorders again.

Worst Case:
They are saying anything they can to get more time.  With this they use it to figure out a way to funnel as much money out of their assets and close shop.  With it being incorporated any assets they are able to get into their personal funds such as salary and other things,  would be much harder to get even with lawsuit with Terahash legally considered its own entity.

Well if they can license C-Scape design and get bitfury chips and convert all of our orders in a decent amount of time and offer better GH/$ ratio I think most would take with that at this point.

[gbx]

Yifu wrote back to zefir
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177827.msg3035535#msg3035535

Yifu is open to chip refund.  

Terrahash should get a refund.

Wait for bitsyncom to offer their chips at a discount and buy it back.

Terrahash can then Distribute the discount to their customer.  

Why refund now?  Chips are shipping and Yifu is responding to his Incoming Avalon news thread.

We've waited this long; may as well get what we paid for.

[atomicchaos]

Why refund now?  Chips are shipping and Yifu is responding to his Incoming Avalon news thread.

We've waited this long; may as well get what we paid for.

Assuming you're serious... Most people didn't pay for a unit that wouldn't ship until October at best.

[hammurabi]

We will be assembling a test K64 tomorrow.
We really don't know what's happening at Avalon's end. We have not received any communication from Yifu whatsoever.
We are already working on Plan B. Can't reveal anything right now. But will update as soon as we can.

But I hope that refund request has been issued so we can secure that portion of funds for mysterious plan B.

[chanberg]

yikes, ok I apologize.. I guess my ignorance got the best of me!~

I take it back

Danny

[hchc]

To all the naysayer, Terrahash has been communicating through PM but please don't flood him with pm; he's a busy man

I just want to reiterate to Terrahash to help me help you prove the naysayer wrong by sticking to your two weeks promise.
But be frank I'm a bit worry because from potential working prototype tomorrow (08/29) to full shipping production in two  weeks doesn't sound too realistic to me. But I hope you prove me wrong. Thanks.

[gbx]

Why refund now?  Chips are shipping and Yifu is responding to his Incoming Avalon news thread.

We've waited this long; may as well get what we paid for.

Assuming you're serious... Most people didn't pay for a unit that wouldn't ship until October at best.

we all paid for units that would ship within two weeks of chip deliveries.  known fact - yifu shit the bed.. damnit!  oh well.  life isn't always fair...

[atomicchaos]

To all the naysayer, Terrahash has been communicating through PM but please don't flood him with pm; he's a busy man

I just want to reiterate to Terrahash to help me help you prove the naysayer wrong by sticking to your two weeks promise.
But be frank I'm a bit worry because from potential working prototype tomorrow (08/29) to full shipping production in two  weeks doesn't sound too realistic to me. But I hope you prove me wrong. Thanks.

I agree, it will certainly help build some better trust with all of the things stated. Looking forward to it working out for you!

[atomicchaos]

we all paid for units that would ship within two weeks of chip deliveries.  known fact - yifu shit the bed.. damnit!  oh well.  life isn't always fair...

Correct, it sucks for the people that built a business around them, not for the customers.

[ak49er]

We would love to hear your comments on this.

I'm pretty sure you will hear!!!

[laughingbear]

im in it for the long haul.

I trust you.