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June 28, 2020, 12:37:18 PM
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Does this mean DVC now has a cap of 100m and existing coins should be burned, or how does it work in terms of getting our existing tokens on to the Stellar network?
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June 28, 2020, 02:22:41 PM
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Does this mean DVC now has a cap of 100m and existing coins should be burned, or how does it work in terms of getting our existing tokens on to the Stellar network?


DevCoin has a cap way higher than 100m.How could existing coins be burned when some people own hundreds of millions of DevCoins?Would that not in effect be theft and a criminal offence? Excuse my ignorance on the matter but can you please elaborate?

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June 28, 2020, 04:10:29 PM
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Does this mean DVC now has a cap of 100m and existing coins should be burned, or how does it work in terms of getting our existing tokens on to the Stellar network?

@ranlo, I already answered your question before.

I'm a bit confused about something in this proposal: what happens with coins that already exist? I know there's fear about whales having a lot of coins but keep in mind that some of us spent YEARS helping build the site, contributing, and spending countless hours on administration work. On top of that, some of us that spent the majority of our time working on the project have still sold exactly ZERO Devcoins. So while I get the fear aspect, it's important to remember that some of us believed in the old project so much that even as it tanked we held tight (and accumulated more coins on the market), rather than trying to cash out. Anything that would push coins out of whales' wallets is only a punch in the face to those who relentlessly worked to help the project and took zero remuneration due to wanting to see it succeed.

Yeah, don't forget that I'm on the same boat. Just to make things clear, in my proposal I'm talking about money not in your pocket: newly generated coins & coins in the OpenSourceFund+friends. I'm not proposing anything for existing coins that aren't controlled by the Devcoin Foundation, yet.

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Just to have definitions documented somewhere and for later reference:

1. Devcoin token: An asset issued by @knotwork on the Stellar platform: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.msg35842820#msg35842820
2. Devcoin coin: The original Devcoin, fork of Bitcoin with own blockchain and wallet
3. Devcoin tokens are backed 1:1 by Devcoin coins: https://peakd.com/devcoin/@satoshi0x/how-to-buy-sell-dvc-using-stellar
4. "Burning" coins (note the quotes), as inherited from Bitcoin, there is no way to really burn Devcoin coins, there are only workarounds: https://medium.com/@alcio/how-to-destroy-bitcoins-255bb6f2142e
5. Strategy for releasing Devcoin tokens:
Asset scarcity. Devcoin has already released a huge amount of coins that we can hardly control scarcity at this point. For that reason it is good to create a new asset like the coins, that we can manage better with all the hard learned lessons that came failure after failure. In short, I stay with the idea of releasing new Devcoin tokens bit by bit, rather than releasing millions of them at once or letting things in auto-mode.

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Just to have definitions documented somewhere and for later reference:

1. Devcoin token: An asset issued by @knotwork on the Stellar platform: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.msg35842820#msg35842820
2. Devcoin coin: The original Devcoin, fork of Bitcoin with own blockchain and wallet
3. Devcoin tokens are backed 1:1 by Devcoin coins: https://peakd.com/devcoin/@satoshi0x/how-to-buy-sell-dvc-using-stellar
4. "Burning" coins (note the quotes), as inherited from Bitcoin, there is no way to really burn Devcoin coins, there are only workarounds: https://medium.com/@alcio/how-to-destroy-bitcoins-255bb6f2142e
5. Strategy for releasing Devcoin tokens:
Asset scarcity. Devcoin has already released a huge amount of coins that we can hardly control scarcity at this point. For that reason it is good to create a new asset like the coins, that we can manage better with all the hard learned lessons that came failure after failure. In short, I stay with the idea of releasing new Devcoin tokens bit by bit, rather than releasing millions of them at once or letting things in auto-mode.

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I made a how-to for #1. Step-by-step and another followup on Steemit on exchanging those dDVC tokens for DVC with markm.

https://steemit.com/devcoin/@satoshi0x/how-to-buy-sell-dvc-using-stellar
https://steemit.com/devtome/@satoshi0x/part-two-exchanging-your-dvc-tokens-on-stellar-for-blockchain-dvc-coins

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July 02, 2020, 04:30:41 PM
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But why DevCoin didn't shows up in CMC? when i search the name ticker of this coin nothing happen, the Deviant coin pops up, I wish the dev team soon relive this project, we need to support this project because i considered it as one of pioneer in alts world.
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July 02, 2020, 04:45:30 PM
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But why DevCoin didn't shows up in CMC? when i search the name ticker of this coin nothing happen, the Deviant coin pops up, I wish the dev team soon relive this project, we need to support this project because i considered it as one of pioneer in alts world.

It's there, but censored: 
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/devcoin/
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July 03, 2020, 08:21:19 AM
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But why DevCoin didn't shows up in CMC? when i search the name ticker of this coin nothing happen, the Deviant coin pops up, I wish the dev team soon relive this project, we need to support this project because i considered it as one of pioneer in alts world.

It's there, but censored: 
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/devcoin/

Thanks, why censored?  Plenty of low volume coins aren’t hidden.  Odd. 

It’s “them”.  :/

We need EDD back ASAP. 


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July 03, 2020, 09:57:02 AM
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But why DevCoin didn't shows up in CMC? when i search the name ticker of this coin nothing happen, the Deviant coin pops up, I wish the dev team soon relive this project, we need to support this project because i considered it as one of pioneer in alts world.

It's there, but censored: 
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/devcoin/

Oh i see, i think it is not because it was censored but the market of DevCoin is definitely dead or CMC has no record of trade for this coin for long time ago, But as far as i know if one's coin has no trading volume for long CMC delisted it in their system.
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July 03, 2020, 05:47:31 PM
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Please help with a retweet: https://twitter.com/TheDevcoin/status/1278563459924459521


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Done develCuy!  Smiley

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July 05, 2020, 09:36:36 PM
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I'm pleased to announce that today the Devcoin Foundation (DF) went to a happy agreement with @knotwork (MarkM) for investing on the Galactic Milieu.

For the record, we had a public discussion regarding what is the best use for the Devcoin coins being accumulated in the OpenSource Fund, Exchange Fund and friends. The chosen proposal is to invest the funds, rather than just holding, "burning" coins, or destroying tokens. The new strategy is to keep sell orders just high enough to influence an up trend market demand for DVC tokens on the Stellar DEX. Also, we are releasing new tokens on-demand, not at fixed amounts on schedule as the Devcoin blockchain does. All with the beauty of transparency! You can now track offers, buys, sells and other DF operations on stellar platform.

This is the actual deal with MarkM:

The DF buys 48223405.9792109 Devcoin stellar tokens (DVC tokens) and 14 General Financial Corp shares (GFC in HORIZON), all for 100'000'000.00 (100 million) Devcoin coins (DVC coins) plus 1664.00 DVC coins in transaction fees. Paid with Devcoin coins from the Exchange Fund.

NOTE: MarkM increased total supply of DVC tokens from 100 million to 150 million.

- Devcoin blockchain transactions: a3849df12e82b0343b3ce30f6a6be5a0e5985fdd9002609ff8a98fd2c9fd34ea, 177fbde2946205aac072664ac2fe439a63e5e45e44962825415efd740842fd9d, 208d38d8e75644b194efa548a9608fa5f763190b127c37e489bdfd4b89e30e43 and 947bb6c0a291ca5deb44d4b28da5a8bc82a9e11963704e2d2e2ea4b7312600ba
- Stellar blockchain operations:  130857916818341889 and 130858415034560513
- Horizon blockchain transactions: (pending)

The challenge now is to heat up the Stellar DEX with decent trading volume! Something we can only achieve as a community, as a team.

Go go Devcoin!

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July 05, 2020, 09:42:28 PM
Last edit: July 06, 2020, 04:39:15 AM by markm
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The 14 GFC shares are in a "DeVCoin Foundation" account on HORIZON, NHZ-M58F-Y78J-4DA6-75UUA

The "DVC Holdings" account on HORIZON, NHZ-YC2W-ZDCP-NS4G-4CEGK, is the "treasury" the Galactic Milieu uses to compute the value of a DeVCoin.

The current relative values of other things in terms of DeVCoins is at http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/latestrates.inc

Other tables of values are linked to menu at http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/digitalisassets.html including historical values from previous "Latest Rates include file"s.

Lists of assets on HORIZON and STELLAR platforms are at http://makemoney.knotwork.com/

It is worth mentioning that the "treasuries" are not comprehensive collections of all of a currency's assets; they typically also have at least one "slush fund" if only as a place to keep any of their own coin they have on hand, and many also have units of the abstract economy units used in the Galactic Milieu as abstractions of small, medium and large businesses.

Plus of course the GHC asset, General Hosting Corp aka General Holding Corp, can only be held by FreeCiv civilisations so is not implemented as assets on HORIZON nor STELLAR but nonetheless is added into the treasuries for purposes of the value calculations. DVC will need some of those in order to start up a FreeCiv civilisation as not only do you have to be a civilisation to hold them you also have to hold them to become a civilisation. The ideal is that you hold enough of them that their increase in value as you pay civilisation-hosting fees offsets those fees so that they hopefully amount more to a kind of savings, saved within the value of the GHC shares you hold, than an actual fee in effect. Although as and when GHC does incur hostings costs those will eat slightly into the accumulated funds, it is expected the value will grow for some time since the fees are based on the idea we will eventually have total immersion 3-D virtual reality representations of all the civilisations so the fees are intended to be enough to represent all the "square miles" your civilisation controls according to FreeCiv in something along the lines of Open Simulator or other free open source virtual-reality system.

Basically you ideally want to own at least as large a fraction of GHC's shares as you control of the total "square miles" controlled by civilisations on all the FreeCiv planets.

The steps from FreeCiv scale maps to immersive virtual reality are intended to include Crossfire RPG maps of FreeCiv tiles that contain cities or units first, then eventually Crossfire RPG (2-D tiles on individual-character scale) of entire FreeCiv planets, then some kind of terrain drawing algoritmm to make 3-D immersive versions of all that Crossfire RPG territory.

Last time I checked the civilisation hosting only amounted to maybe about (monthly in real Earth-months) CAD$3.50 for a single-city initial civilisation up to over CAD$14000 for a large civilisation such as the Brits of the planet known as B29 or the Canucks of the planet C29. So it can get quite expensive for large civilisations which is part of giving them incentives to be active in the Crossfire RPG and CoffeeMUD MUD layers to help exploit their territory more fully.

-MarkM-

P.S. Also there is a handy tool online for calculating stuff from the Latest Rates data: https://latestrates.traxo.me/






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July 06, 2020, 01:51:51 AM
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Just to have definitions documented somewhere and for later reference:

1. Devcoin token: An asset issued by @knotwork on the Stellar platform: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.msg35842820#msg35842820
2. Devcoin coin: The original Devcoin, fork of Bitcoin with own blockchain and wallet
3. Devcoin tokens are backed 1:1 by Devcoin coins: https://peakd.com/devcoin/@satoshi0x/how-to-buy-sell-dvc-using-stellar
4. "Burning" coins (note the quotes), as inherited from Bitcoin, there is no way to really burn Devcoin coins, there are only workarounds: https://medium.com/@alcio/how-to-destroy-bitcoins-255bb6f2142e
5. Strategy for releasing Devcoin tokens:
Asset scarcity. Devcoin has already released a huge amount of coins that we can hardly control scarcity at this point. For that reason it is good to create a new asset like the coins, that we can manage better with all the hard learned lessons that came failure after failure. In short, I stay with the idea of releasing new Devcoin tokens bit by bit, rather than releasing millions of them at once or letting things in auto-mode.

- develCuy

I made a how-to for #1. Step-by-step and another followup on Steemit on exchanging those dDVC tokens for DVC with markm.

https://steemit.com/devcoin/@satoshi0x/how-to-buy-sell-dvc-using-stellar
https://steemit.com/devtome/@satoshi0x/part-two-exchanging-your-dvc-tokens-on-stellar-for-blockchain-dvc-coins

Hey Dan! Thank you for this guide! I was successfully able to trade a very little amount of DVCs as test! Nice! Grin

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Just to have definitions documented somewhere and for later reference:

1. Devcoin token: An asset issued by @knotwork on the Stellar platform: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.msg35842820#msg35842820
2. Devcoin coin: The original Devcoin, fork of Bitcoin with own blockchain and wallet
3. Devcoin tokens are backed 1:1 by Devcoin coins: https://peakd.com/devcoin/@satoshi0x/how-to-buy-sell-dvc-using-stellar
4. "Burning" coins (note the quotes), as inherited from Bitcoin, there is no way to really burn Devcoin coins, there are only workarounds: https://medium.com/@alcio/how-to-destroy-bitcoins-255bb6f2142e
5. Strategy for releasing Devcoin tokens:
Asset scarcity. Devcoin has already released a huge amount of coins that we can hardly control scarcity at this point. For that reason it is good to create a new asset like the coins, that we can manage better with all the hard learned lessons that came failure after failure. In short, I stay with the idea of releasing new Devcoin tokens bit by bit, rather than releasing millions of them at once or letting things in auto-mode.

- develCuy

I made a how-to for #1. Step-by-step and another followup on Steemit on exchanging those dDVC tokens for DVC with markm.

https://steemit.com/devcoin/@satoshi0x/how-to-buy-sell-dvc-using-stellar
https://steemit.com/devtome/@satoshi0x/part-two-exchanging-your-dvc-tokens-on-stellar-for-blockchain-dvc-coins

Hey Dan! Thank you for this guide! I was successfully able to trade a very little amount of DVCs as test! Nice! Grin

No problemo Smiley

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Just to have definitions documented somewhere and for later reference:

1. Devcoin token: An asset issued by @knotwork on the Stellar platform: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.msg35842820#msg35842820
2. Devcoin coin: The original Devcoin, fork of Bitcoin with own blockchain and wallet
3. Devcoin tokens are backed 1:1 by Devcoin coins: https://peakd.com/devcoin/@satoshi0x/how-to-buy-sell-dvc-using-stellar
4. "Burning" coins (note the quotes), as inherited from Bitcoin, there is no way to really burn Devcoin coins, there are only workarounds: https://medium.com/@alcio/how-to-destroy-bitcoins-255bb6f2142e
5. Strategy for releasing Devcoin tokens:
Asset scarcity. Devcoin has already released a huge amount of coins that we can hardly control scarcity at this point. For that reason it is good to create a new asset like the coins, that we can manage better with all the hard learned lessons that came failure after failure. In short, I stay with the idea of releasing new Devcoin tokens bit by bit, rather than releasing millions of them at once or letting things in auto-mode.

- develCuy

I made a how-to for #1. Step-by-step and another followup on Steemit on exchanging those dDVC tokens for DVC with markm.

https://steemit.com/devcoin/@satoshi0x/how-to-buy-sell-dvc-using-stellar
https://steemit.com/devtome/@satoshi0x/part-two-exchanging-your-dvc-tokens-on-stellar-for-blockchain-dvc-coins

Hey Dan! Thank you for this guide! I was successfully able to trade a very little amount of DVCs as test! Nice! Grin

No problemo Smiley

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July 13, 2020, 04:13:56 AM
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"this year we started to get some attention back from different exchanges..."

Read more:

https://steempeak.com/devcoin/@devcoin/exchanges-interested-on-listing-devcoin-july-2020

https://peakd.com/@devcoin/exchanges-interested-on-listing-devcoin-july-2020

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"this year we started to get some attention back from different exchanges..."

Read more:

https://steempeak.com/devcoin/@devcoin/exchanges-interested-on-listing-devcoin-july-2020

https://peakd.com/@devcoin/exchanges-interested-on-listing-devcoin-july-2020

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This is a pretty good breakdown! Have you also considered YoBit.io?
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If I could list devcoin on a new exchange I would choose TradeOgre. No kyc. Ltc and btc markets. Look at Coin Listing at the bottom of the page to fill out application.

https://tradeogre.com/
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Actually i'll start with this link to previous post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.msg29680751#msg29680751 (2018) topic of exchanges was discussed and a lot of work was put in back then so worth bringing those learning points up.

So Devcoin is currently listed on FreiExchange here: https://freiexchange.com/market/DVC/BTC

and it was listed with BTC, LTC, USDT and a whole host of other coins on https://www.altilly.com/

But it was delisted from altilly with the reason that there was little to no trade volume. Should not be much work for them to add the coin back but would probably need to chat with the exchange owners to make this happen. They do now have a listing fee also, in the past I got dvc added for free as they were early starting exchange.

With this experience it is only worth an exchange listing dvc if there is any volume.. that means buying as well as selling dvc... and consistently, not just one or two trades and then nothing for weeks and months. The fact that dvc on altilly had pairing with ltc and others and that their exchange is open to trade in fractions of a satoshi against the coin means that as dvc is pegged at 0.00000001 on FRC with over 0.6 btc needed to buy up all the cheapest dvc just to start a buy side support, we need a listing like altilly and not like freiexchange.

The fact that dvc had a listing on altilly and lost it through lack of trading volume was and is so disappointing but in truth probably reflects the market for dvc, very few want to buy it even at such low prices and very few looking to offload any real large amounts unless the price goes up...

Any of those mentioned exchanges that have a listing fee over 0.5btc you can forget about for now as simply where are you getting these funds from? We tried to rally or see if the community would donate but it a lot to ask and no one came forward last time.

Also is this the best use of the BTC to list on an exchange when dvc was listed and has been de-listed what is stopping it being delisted and then that btc is gone and wasted. Might be better to use that btc to rally the current price listing on freiexchange.

I have been here before, and found te best way to get listed is to find a small exchange that is starting up and get dvc listed for free like on altilly after speaking with the people that run it. This is a much better way to get listed and cost nothing as they looking to try adding new coins but you run the risk as the exchange is new and possible scam etc so you have to do the leg work and get to know the people running the exchange and open a dialog up with them.

dvc getting listing on altilly
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.msg49030420#msg49030420
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4502934.msg43852058#msg43852058
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.msg43851429#msg43851429

CTYA was the one who did a huge amount to effort to get exchanges to list dvc and wrote the code to get DVC listing the other good way to get a listing
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.msg39459520#msg39459520
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.msg30654620#msg30654620
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.msg30155942#msg30155942

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