apocalypse_milk
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The one thing that stands out to me from this whole drama is how the Phoenix Miner Dev team responded to the accusations by Nice Hash. Phoenix handled it like a proper team should, professionally and respectfully. What NiceHash did all of yesterday was just downright disgusting to see. I agree with others in this thread; I will be uninstalling NiceHash from all of my machines and never recommending their software in the future. There is just too much shady stuff going on with that company for me to ever trust them again.
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jims2321
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March 08, 2021, 02:24:46 PM |
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So has it been confirmed that NiceHash did not distribute any malware through a bad version of phoenix miner? I see a bunch of FUD and people claiming they did but no proof reading through everything.
I think your answer is in their Tweets and Reddit postings. When they realized that they pushed a version that they could not validate, they panicked and start spewing their FUD to the masses. Was it malware, does it even matter, it was not an official release of Phoenix miner. So what are the takeaways? 1. Do not trust any software you get thru Nicehash. Clearly they have no documented process or procedures to properly vet updates to miners. This includes their own developed software. 2. Consider the source when getting information from anyone. Ask yourself, 'What if any benefit could the source get from this information they are spreading?' In NH case a few things. a. Legal cover in case it was actually malware, although their latest TOS should protect them, becauses says we use their software are our own peril. b. Promote their own in house miner. Which maybe open source now, but who knows 6 months from now, it could be close source and collect a fee from users. c. Eliminate a competitor so there are few options. From what I gather Nicehash and independent developers treat each other as 'necessary evil partners'. 3. Where ever and when ever possible don't use their windows app, as you have no idea where and if they vet any thing pushed to your desktop. That goes for any publisher of software. All it takes is one bad apple and your information is on the darkweb. JimS2321
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March 08, 2021, 02:39:56 PM |
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The one thing that stands out to me from this whole drama is how the Phoenix Miner Dev team responded to the accusations by Nice Hash. Phoenix handled it like a proper team should, professionally and respectfully. What NiceHash did all of yesterday was just downright disgusting to see. I agree with others in this thread; I will be uninstalling NiceHash from all of my machines and never recommending their software in the future. There is just too much shady stuff going on with that company for me to ever trust them again.
I just uninstalled NiceHash and will never use them again. Lost $10 doing so (below their minimum withdraw limit) but not interested in supporting them in future. Small loss
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Randey Lahey
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March 08, 2021, 03:03:25 PM |
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I just uninstalled NiceHash and will never use them again. Lost $10 doing so (below their minimum withdraw limit) but not interested in supporting them in future. Small loss
I did too, but I haven't used it for months...basically only the first week and a half that I ever mined. Nicehash isn't too bright if this was a ploy against PM, as it's going to have the opposite effect in that many now will not trust NH.
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March 08, 2021, 03:04:40 PM |
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The rumors of our demise (or our tuning into bad guys) are completely false. Here is what has happened: 1. Sometime yesterday MEGA decided to terminate our account, and the accounts of some other prominent crypto mining software authors (e.g. Clyamore) for "violation of our terms of service". We didn't receive any further information about this violation, so it is safe to assume that someone in high places has put pressure to MEGA to delete the most popular mining software from their site. It is partially our fault that we believed their statement that they are "censor-resistant" but we have learned our lesson and we are currently setting up several independent hosting solutions in case anything similar happens in the future. 2. Our bitcointalk.org account is safe and secure and we have full control over it. The latest released version remains PhoenixMiner 5.5c with the following checksums: File: PhoenixMiner_5.5c_Windows.zip =================================== SHA-1: 9a3efe6130ba21ab2ade9df38ff9d52a539d9693 SHA-256: 0bb20989cd107c6b65d08da30f014df0b3cb94f8124253e2caee1dfa99431c2d SHA-512: 2e1aa259f6519d6759ccf679bf1b989c36fe504c9066cc3ba79537bf34129fb168b2956e385a4cf593e45c3a22e89590319870fb502ff13a371932aad441b250
File: PhoenixMiner_5.5c_Linux.tar.gz ==================================== SHA-1: 43bc9221582c8e90188fb1b416df14a8259d5b4e SHA-256: 66914e1b5011c35cf6af3f0d3e7540f5fa1bbe1563105fd242a67a96437b8e69 SHA-512: 1088fcfd06b1bf63a3ab0d92089504b37e634bc138290c432797594ed25d37f8e5a658cf4124b6bb4495592b2b90f89bf0a68d03f51ce97e61b69efbe0667943
Here are the checksums of the individual executable files in case you don't have the original zip archive (these are all SHA-256 sums): ad20e44954960278ad965b05e8c67d9d314c200809b99b1b5a219a916ce06b21 *IOMap64.sys 287e44f5067a4e770e8a0605f5720d3d1477ecc4aa4f3a26ce5d3a489ae79780 *EIO.dll 402438684406d1e3b2d1d5629151259ad864ffc55c8e6ab176f4c47c543d4fee *EIO.exe 599393e258d8ba7b8f8633e20c651868258827d3a43a4d0712125bc487eabf92 *PhoenixMiner.exe And these are the SHA-512 checksums of the same files: 0d8597b79a2615059f0bdd1fd0c2207b0bd96dac29b27af5f6af1bfbf003ceeed984a7bad54e2c917ffb5d9738229a8c0d52972c4caf69e353406c2068c000fd *EIO.dll 804307f91ec5c3b664b07fc3ce21b453621925ba209e40d17b7ecae78cfad8ed20fa969dc29633d92daeebccd28453128bc098511553322677201fb120555485 *IOMap64.sys 60a230568445bcbfc9c638cb672d55b79febeede23b64620cf5a8a32b6ae6a78dc7878dc95d6a5008cfffec5a6ad47c6e48ea8321887e2f19eeff3bcf7436194 *EIO.exe cf78d162ef4ecf88bbfd4a460471d2ddd8faa505d24cc7c671ad27ba482c9b82b256fb5e5c2c44a8a666a2acbdfe78def303636aa1a92cab29718ce265a536db *PhoenixMiner.exe 3. We are working on the next release of PhoenixMiner. 4. The blog post of Nicehash is pure FUD and the only factual thing there is that our MEGA account is terminated. We will give them the benefit of doubt and assume that they are motivated out of abundance of caution for their customers. Kim Dotcom is just a liar
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March 08, 2021, 03:12:10 PM |
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I must say this has turned into the second royal shit show over the past 48 hours.
NH has handled this extremely poorly and the rush to judgement speaks volumes about how their business is being run.
I will continue to use and support the Phoenix software and their dev team.
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themoonhowls
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March 08, 2021, 03:22:02 PM |
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Can you provide some proof that you are actually the real PhoenixMiner and not a hacker controlling PhoenixMiner account on bitcointalk?
Gladly, if you have any idea how to do this let us know. In the meantime - do not believe to any "hofixes" or whatever else you see posted in this thread from other users. The last released version of PhoenixMIner so far is 5.5c, and the checksums are the same as at the moment of its release. When the new release is ready it will be posted here, from our own account. One reasonable way to do this would be to take some action involving this ETH address you've been including in epools_example.txt for the past few years? 0x008c26f3a2Ca8bdC11e5891e0278c9436B6F5d1E Perhaps announce that you'll be moving a specific amount of ETH at a specific time, and then follow through? This should serve as solid proof that you currently control both this Bitcointalk account and that particular ETH account that's been bundled with the miner for years. Good idea! We will do this ASAP after we finish scrubbing the MEGA links from our posts, and setting up the github.com account. May I suggest establishing and using PGP Signature for important official announcements (eg. new release, official response to important issues, file checksums) from now on? Then there will never be any doubt of your identity. Of course this will be after you proving this account is authentic.
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CryptoEnlightenment
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March 08, 2021, 03:29:12 PM |
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Thanks for your response Phoenixminer, your story sounds legit but I think a lot of us would like to have some additional peace of mind.
How can we get this?
One thing I can think of is that someone can analyze the binary..
I think it would great if someone with some cracking and Assembly experience could analyze Phoenix miner for any suspicious routines.
Even if decompiling does not fully work you'd think that miners are so straightforward that many suspicious routines would stand out, just by checking the assembly instructions. For example, a miner has no business accessing most of the I/O streams of a system or opening unexplained external ports.
Surely Phoenixminer would not mind right?
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March 08, 2021, 04:02:29 PM |
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Having interacted with djeZo several times in the last couple of weeks talking to him about his Quickminer he is very unstable. He seems pretty insistent that it is only a matter of time before one of the "3rd party" miners steals everything you own and that he is the only solution that can keep you safe. Yet his actions the last few days have demonstrated that he is anything but safe. Everything else that has been used for months is suddenly deemed so unsafe that you should immediately switch to Quickminer lest you become a victim. Not some other supported miner, but his specifically and not the main Nicehash, but this new quickminer, and not the tryout quickminer, but the installer version. This didn't just start the last couple of days with Phoenix miner stuff. He has been on this crusade to call everything else unsafe since at least January.
Also if you go on the Nicehash discord you'll find that djeZo888 hadn't participated at all until last month at least not on that account. That's when Quickminer started getting called the only "safe" solution and yet the main Nicehash miner still installs 3rd party miners by default.
Also why would you not have any kind of "status" or indicator in your own discord that you are the dev and someone with authority/importance? He's a nitro booster, but anyone can do that.
So why is Phoenix so risky, but nbminer is not? If 3rd party miners are ticking timebombs then why install any 3rd party miners at all? Why is the version of Nicehash miner with only the addition of limited liability statements still only a test version and not being forced out to everyone if its that unsafe? Why does this new version still install 3rd party plugins by default if they are unsafe? Why not remove Phoenix miner entirely instead of using a 15.9 "fake" version?
There is just so much that doesn't add up with this drama. And as was stated here by JFoxOne it sure seems like djeZo is at the center of it all.
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jims2321
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March 08, 2021, 04:28:55 PM |
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Oh the spinning of NH reaction and smear campaign on their Reddit forum is gone to new heights. The main arguement why NH is not responsible for the FUD and smear campaign is because the end user click a pop up and download the 5.5d so therefore its on the end user for downloading it, without vetting it. Ignoring the fact that NH offered it and therefore implied it was a validate version. I am always amazed at some of the stupid logic that people use to defend the indefensible actions of companies NH and djeZo.
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March 08, 2021, 04:33:14 PM Last edit: March 08, 2021, 06:13:53 PM by mprep |
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As promised, we will confirm that we are not hacked in any way by transferring 123.456 ETH from our defvee account at 0x008c26f3a2Ca8bdC11e5891e0278c9436B6F5d1E
The actual transaction will be done in about 30 minutes so everyone interested, please check here that the transaction does not exists yet: https://etherscan.io/address/0x008c26f3a2Ca8bdC11e5891e0278c9436B6F5d1E
May I suggest establishing and using PGP Signature for important official announcements (eg. new release, official response to important issues, file checksums) from now on? Then there will never be any doubt of your identity.
Of course this will be after you proving this account is authentic.
Not a bad idea, the only problem with PGP is that quite a small amount of people know how to use it.
The transaction is confirmed, you can check it here: https://etherscan.io/tx/0xdb61993bb0fcdf73cf9f36f0bfd834b20d365d2cda170685362a28f47f7bea9b[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]
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March 08, 2021, 05:05:50 PM |
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I should have become a dev for miner software................. Fair enough for me, I will continue using Phoenix miner.
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March 08, 2021, 05:22:08 PM |
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I should have become a dev for miner software.................
Fair enough for me, I will continue using Phoenix miner.
Phoenix is the only miner whose memory tweaks work stably on my STRIX 1080. A relatively tiny dev fee is more than deserved for getting my hashrate up by 30-40%.
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March 08, 2021, 05:35:08 PM |
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I am not seeing the promised apology on Nicehash so far....
I am out of there too. Switching to Phoenix on Ubuntu. No more Nicehash, no more Windows 10 shenanigans.
Glad to see Phoenix is alive and doing well.
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March 08, 2021, 05:38:53 PM |
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Fantastic. Are you able to confirm phoenixminer.org? Is it legit? It was hosting on OneDrive last week. That is where I downloaded from because the link in this thread was dead. I checked the SHA hash from the four executables and .dll that you posted just recently and they are the same. I'm paranoid because people in this thread said it was not legit. Why is there not more warnings about that site? I'm about ready to wipe my PC and never mine in windows again; only through booting Hive from USB
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jims2321
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March 08, 2021, 06:07:23 PM |
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I am not seeing the promised apology on Nicehash so far....
I am out of there too. Switching to Phoenix on Ubuntu. No more Nicehash, no more Windows 10 shenanigans.
Glad to see Phoenix is alive and doing well.
And if I was a betting man, you wouldn't either. NH is run by a convicted felon, and accused fraudster (and probably get convicted of that crime too). Running in a country with very lax enforcement for those with money to grease the hands of officials. Honestly if you are okay supporting that type of business then I don't know where you draw the line on shady business practices.
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March 08, 2021, 07:13:15 PM |
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I think NiceHash themselves complained about the Mega.nz accounts of Claymore, Phoenix and other closed source programs. And then they blame Phoenix for the link being removed. And they backed it up the next day with a huge fast, accusing Phoenix of all mortal sins. At the same time, they did not forget to advertise their new program.
I think the discussions can be closed. Everyone thinks atk as he wants in the current situation.
Those who are constantly spreading 5.5d on mega here will not be able to blame phoenixminer, because he has a different checksums and has nothing to do with it!
I will only download Phoenix from its GitHub and always watch checksums of the .exe file.
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March 08, 2021, 07:18:48 PM |
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Hello, I've an issue since today, I'm using binance pool and I get this back for some reason : https://ibb.co/FgBnFY3If someone knows why... I tried to test other ports but it seems to work sometimes, but when it does that it's persistent. I lost 6 hours of mining today :/
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March 08, 2021, 08:10:06 PM |
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Fantastic. Are you able to confirm phoenixminer.org? Is it legit? It was hosting on OneDrive last week. That is where I downloaded from because the link in this thread was dead.
I checked the shasum from the four executables and .dll that you posted just recently and they are the same.
I'm paranoid because people in this thread said it was not legit. Why is there not more warnings about that site? I'm about ready to wipe my PC and never mine in windows again; only through booting Hive from USB
No, he has said many times that this is not his site. I also downloaded from there because BitcoinTalk often does not open in my country. There shasum are always the same as here. (of the exe, dll, EIO and IOMap64 files) So...It's actually the same, but it comes with a lot of pools bats premade. You just gotta change the wallet addresses and the .config with the ones you want if your main pool is failing to connect. It's a secure site, but it's best to download from GitHub now. Thanks for the info! Apologies if redundant, I am somewhat new and didn't have time to read all 414 pages  Just trying to mine directly and get rid of Nicehash on my windows PC as it kept crashing. Already switched my 2 rigs to Hive. So then why are people badmouthing phoenixminer.org and spreading rumors if the checksums always match up? The site is somewhat deceptive with the domain name and that they don't disclose they aren't affiliated, except in very fine print I just found (didn't notice before DL). So I am concerned about their motive. But if checksums match up I should be good I hope (already ran it).
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