Merit & new rank requirements

[BlackRock]

The OP mentions about  "required activity" and "required merit' for member ranks .So, from now on for member levels to be upgraded ,they need to reach required merit level apart from activity too ?

So,just posting and aging the account will not lead to new membership levels,unless if required merit levels are not attained !

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[AdolfinWolf]

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If they do have a source, then that's something that we'll need to detect. The merit transfers are public, so it shouldn't be that difficult. There are also various limits in place which would help to limit the damage from that.

Will something like a trust feedback for merit be added? It would be an enormous hassle to look through individual posts to see who gave who merit. ( Even with the sort of whitelist for sources)
Abuse would be much easier to see aswell.

[richardsNY]

Pretty sweet! Account farmers registering hundreds of brand new accounts to rank them up with shitposts are now put in a very difficult to escape from 'cage'. It won't directly mean that we are freed from shitposters, but we at least know that the situation with these measures likely will translate into less shitposting in the future. People can just search on the internet for ways to make money online, and a lot of these baboons end up here with their the bitcoin and the endless abuse of the term sirr....

[RGBKey]

The OP mentions about  "required activity" and "required merit' for member ranks .So, from now on for member levels to be upgraded ,they need to reach required merit level apart from activity too ?

So,just posting and aging the account will not lead to new membership levels,unless if required merit levels are not attained !

Correct, stops people from making a ton of BS posts and then appearing more trustworthy/helpful then they are

[EcuaMobi]

If they don't have a source: how would they? Unless they are a source, they have to get the merit from somewhere. A group of accounts without a source can't generate merit without making good posts; they can only inefficiently spread it out among the accounts.

But old account farmers who have Senior+ accounts at the moment and therefore sMerits can give merit to their new accounts, who would have 50% sMerit to send to other new accounts and so on?
Of course it will stop at some point but there should be some way to stop or reduce this, by detecting the same IP, circular references, or granting merit to obvious poor quality posts (although the later would be harder to do automatically)

But definitely it will be harder for farmers to have new accounts with a high rank. I see an increase of prices for accounts being sold :/ ...

[BlackRock]

Pretty sweet! Account farmers registering hundreds of brand new accounts to rank them up with shitposts are now put in a very difficult to escape from 'cage'. It won't directly mean that we are freed from shitposters, but we at least know that the situation with these measures likely will translate into less shitposting in the future. People can just search on the internet for ways to make money online, and a lot of these baboons end up here with their the bitcoin and the endless abuse of the term sirr....

I think everyone has got merit points now by default.But in future even if you don't shit post..you need merit levels to reach new ranks

[cyber_smiley]

This might not be fair for new people, I don't know if others will ever consider to give merit to newbies. Guess I had to been registered here like 1year back to get some kind of "good" positions. Juniors and newbies are often treated poorly and seen as funny guys around, not taken seriously.

[suchmoon]

Pretty sweet! Account farmers registering hundreds of brand new accounts to rank them up with shitposts are now put in a very difficult to escape from 'cage'. It won't directly mean that we are freed from shitposters, but we at least know that the situation with these measures likely will translate into less shitposting in the future. People can just search on the internet for ways to make money online, and a lot of these baboons end up here with their the bitcoin and the endless abuse of the term sirr....

I think this will just make "merit source" accounts more expensive to purchase, but maybe that's ok - raising the cost of entry for spammers.

[yojodojo21]

How about if the post merited is deleted? Will the merit count? Or erased too? Because somebody could just use merit for unreasonable purpose.

Thank you for answering.

[bill gator]

Lauda got my Merit for answering Vod's question; it seems like there was another user that agreed with them about opening in a new window, too; seems strange that you'd be so technically literate and be unaware of this. I might be the butt of some intense sarcasm right now if I'm not careful.

If you want to be a merit source:

Collect TEN posts that have not received nearly enough merit for how good they are, and post quotes for them all in a new Meta thread.

Does that mean all merit sources are hand selected?

They are either hand-selected, randomly sorted out of a hat, or there was some sort of automated search that grabbed some metric as a representative of "merit" (trust, views, etc.).

Great Idea, but still in some point it will disregarded or doesn't matter. If you know what I mean.

I do not know what you mean, it is necessary to rank up your account and there is a finite amount of it to around at any given time by only a finite amount of sources and those of us with initial merit. How then, would be become disregarded in any manner? Do explain.

1 question to theymos, how if someone/people buying/selling merit points to ranked up faster?

Will something like a trust feedback for merit be added?

Wouldn't the already in place Trust system be sufficient to handle this sort of thing? It's clearly unacceptable and we already have a place for untrustworthy or malicious activity.

[theymos]

You should add my two contributions together (10+5) or is there some reason you want every contribution separate?

Fixed, thanks. It might take up to 24 hours for the cache to clear.

[Kiritsugu]

This might not be fair for new people, I don't know if others will ever consider to give merit to newbies. Guess I had to been registered here like 1year back to get some kind of "good" positions. Juniors and newbies are often treated poorly.

It's perfectly fair to new people.  It just means that in order for you to rank up or earn Merit, you have to write high-quality posts, rather than just spam a bunch of worthless stuff.  You're not being treated poorly; everyone has to write high-quality posts.  The only difference is that higher ranks start with more Merit as a baseline, which doesn't provide them any kind of advantage over you.

[theymos]

How about if the post merited is deleted? Will the merit count? Or erased too? Because somebody could just use merit for unreasonable purpose.

The merit is not undone if the post is deleted.

Does that mean all merit sources are hand selected?

Right. There are about 35 right now.

[shield132]

I already don't like the way clicking on +merit takes you away from the thread.  Can you please have it open in a new window?

Agree 100% with this.  A new window, or maybe just code in a little box next to the post where you can type the Merit you want to give and then hit Give or something.

Instead of posting you 100% agree, you should have given me 100 merit.  

I'd like to believe Theymos implemented this partly as a solution to my request.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622992.0

Yes, he was thinking about that since 2014 year but decided to make a gift for you in 2018
Appreciate the fact that theymos did something to prevent spam here, also can say that this merit system really surprised me. I think some people here will really take care of this, some will just forget.
Congrats but pop up will be better as some users already mentioned. I personally won't stop reading of something interesting if someone spams, will do that if there is a pop up and it won't affect my page where I read.

[cyber_smiley]

This might not be fair for new people, I don't know if others will ever consider to give merit to newbies. Guess I had to been registered here like 1year back to get some kind of "good" positions. Juniors and newbies are often treated poorly.

It's perfectly fair to new people.  It just means that in order for you to rank up or earn Merit, you have to write high-quality posts, rather than just spam a bunch of worthless stuff.  You're not being treated poorly; everyone has to write high-quality posts.  The only difference is that higher ranks start with more Merit as a baseline, which doesn't provide them any kind of advantage over you.

Well it provides them with sMerit, with more sMerit to vote for other posts if I may say this. While I, myself and I DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY to give merit to others. So if you are an "old schooler" here you have more power in your hands. Same applies with getting this "merit source" status you have to be high rank to be able to give merit to others and this is not related with our knowledge or engagement within the community.

[Tramirostronix]

Ok thanks for the answer

Honestly that's a great idea ! and bounty signature will be better  
great job team !

[richardsNY]

I think everyone has got merit points now by default.But in future even if you don't shit post..you need merit levels to reach new ranks

You didn't read this thread.... Accounts ranking from Brand new to Jr Member don't have merit points by default.

I think this will just make "merit source" accounts more expensive to purchase, but maybe that's ok - raising the cost of entry for spammers.

Everything that is being proposed to combat spam has pros and cons, and I definitely get your point, but this at least shows that theymos is taking this problem seriously. I think if we look at how happy people are with this new feature, it shows that it's pretty much the right thing to do.

[entr]

If there is no demeriting right now. How does this guy at the topic -link below- demerited by the same guy?

Deena

Merited by crairezx20 (-10), crairezx20 (-10), crairezx20 (-10)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2605767.140

edit: I just got demerited by -30,lol.

[TryNinja]

I liked. The only issue is that there are already tons of spammers that will start with merit and can give them to his main account to rank up.

If there is no demeriting right now. How does this guy at the topic -link below- demerited by the same guy?

Deena

Merited by crairezx20 (-10), crairezx20 (-10), crairezx20 (-10)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2605767.140

This user now has a merit of -20 and the user who gave the negative merits still has 500.

[Lutpin]

This might not be fair for new people, I don't know if others will ever consider to give merit to newbies. Guess I had to been registered here like 1year back to get some kind of "good" positions. Juniors and newbies are often treated poorly.

It's perfectly fair to new people.  It just means that in order for you to rank up or earn Merit, you have to write high-quality posts, rather than just spam a bunch of worthless stuff.  You're not being treated poorly; everyone has to write high-quality posts.  The only difference is that higher ranks start with more Merit as a baseline, which doesn't provide them any kind of advantage over you.

Well it provides them with sMerit, with more sMerit to vote for other posts if I may say this. While I, myself and I DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY to give merit to others. So if you are an "old schooler" here you have more power in your hands. Same applies with getting this "merit source" status you have to be high rank to be able to give merit to others and this is not related with our knowledge or engagement within the community.

This is a necessary evil when introducing a system like this, especially in a forum/community already running for years.
You somehow need to introduce merit and sMerit into circulation, if you wouldn't, there would be no way to gain them and rank up.
It makes sense giving those that are here for a long time and contributed over that time a little head start.

Hopefully people will send merit points based on post quality and not based on the rake of an user (eg "that's a newbie, I wont send him merit"), and if they do,
this won't be a problem in a year, or maybe two. It will only be a bit off balance at this very start.

If there is no demeriting right now. How does this guy at the topic -link below- demerited by the same guy?

Merited by crairezx20 (-10), crairezx20 (-10), crairezx20 (-10)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2605767.140

Did you forget to limit the merit you can send to positive numbers?

This user now has a merit of -20 and the user who gave the negative merits still has 500.

I wonder if that actually increased their sMerit by 30 instead of decreasing it.


I hate you lauda. Why do you have to do this