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January 25, 2018, 10:49:09 AM
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I don't trust the users to be that active, meaning if I were in a Legendary user and you'll force upon me this merit thing, meaning I have to spend 100 because "with great merit comes great responsibility", I don't know if I would find the time honestly. You have to click a lot more now than before.
By that logic, people also wouldnt use the report to moderator function because you have to do extra clicks (and even enter text/a reason).
But the report function gets used, and I expect similar things for the merit function.

Well, I am kind of scared to merit some people's posts. Like I just meritted a post by TMAN where the first 90% of it he makes a great point which I feel deserves the point, but the last bit I disagree with. So isn't possible that I will face retaliation from other users because  I merited a post like that? and what if I merit some of quickseller's posts where he makes amazing points? I feel like some users won't get all of the merit they deserve.


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Whats the general feeling about meritting old posts?
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January 25, 2018, 10:50:09 AM
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I don't trust the users to be that active, meaning if I were in a Legendary user and you'll force upon me this merit thing, meaning I have to spend 100 because "with great merit comes great responsibility", I don't know if I would find the time honestly. You have to click a lot more now than before.
By that logic, people also wouldnt use the report to moderator function because you have to do extra clicks (and even enter text/a reason).
But the report function gets used, and I expect similar things for the merit function.
Good point.
Still as already pointed out by others, there is too much clicking involved. One thing is a report, the other is giving a "like".
If you just click on the post you like, maybe people is more likely to give sMerit.
But merit isn't a like, it's more than that.
People should consider which posts they merit (you cant unmerit a post either).
The extra step makes people think about whether or not they really want to give merit for something.
I think it's exactly right, people who want to troll and spam merit can't do that as fast, while those that leave considered merit for well written posts have almost no annoyance.
Or do you really think someone who spends a minute or maybe two reading a post minds taking 10 seconds to merit it? Not if the post is worth it.



Whats the general feeling about meritting old posts?
Merit them if they are still relevant. If you gained some value from them, they are well written and stand out, make it noticable.

Well, I am kind of scared to merit some people's posts. Like I just meritted a post by TMAN where the first 90% of it he makes a great point which I feel deserves the point, but the last bit I disagree with. So isn't possible that I will face retaliation from other users because  I merited a post like that?
The merit system only works with reward, there is no punishment right now.
The biggest "retaliation" you have to fear is not getting merited in return.

and what if I merit some of quickseller's posts where he makes amazing points? I feel like some users won't get all of the merit they deserve.
I dont think that is a problem. I got merit from OgNasty earlier. If you follow the forum for a while, you know there's a bit of history there.
But when I'll come across a great post of theirs, I'll make that known. Merits are about content, not the person providing it.


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January 25, 2018, 10:50:45 AM
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I think the new system of merit is fine, i like it. on the other hand I was very close to Hero's rank, now I'm screwed  Cry
lol, I was hero rank a year ago and just came back, now all the people I knew are legendary, and will take me 500 merit.
Considering that there is something like 3800 merit created a month, it might take me a very long time to gain legendary Sad

I would become full member in 3 weeks and now at best in 2 months. The problem is that nobody will put merit to Newbie and Jr. Member because they will be able to give nothing in exchange...I have already given last merit.
I have met already many people who are only going to sell "merit" and it frightens

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January 25, 2018, 10:50:53 AM
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Natural selection) beginners have very small chances of growth.
Sooner or later this system should appear, everything is like in life, who is the cleverer and makes a career faster.
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January 25, 2018, 10:52:13 AM
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Natural selection) beginners have very small chances of growth.
Sooner or later this system should appear, everything is like in life, who is the cleverer and makes a career faster.

There surely is someone who has a legendary friend here.

So, this kind of natural selection is broken.

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January 25, 2018, 10:53:10 AM
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In my opinion, the new merit system is respectable because we force to produce a helpful and excellence of posts, and to make the trends easy to understand, as you notice the question somethings is identical the same to others question or topic.  But there also disadvantages some people are smart regarding on cheating. They will sell there merit not here on the forum maybe outside transaction to avoid too caught by the admin on this forum.
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January 25, 2018, 10:57:58 AM
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This will create a new market for selling merits im afraid,
beside i think there are going to be a lot of good posts unrewarded because the merits are scarce and hard to obtain. Undecided

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January 25, 2018, 10:59:53 AM
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One last thought about it all, when we click on merit on other peoples profile I think we should see who left that merit and where.

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January 25, 2018, 11:00:11 AM
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I think the new system of merit is fine, i like it. on the other hand I was very close to Hero's rank, now I'm screwed  Cry

Same here buddy, I missed out the Senior Member rank with only 2 Activitypoints and 6 days, now it seems to be far away. It is a pity that Merit is not related to the previous earned Activity points for existing users, so I got the same like a fresh ranked up Full Member.

Although I like the new system.
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January 25, 2018, 11:00:37 AM
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Looks like "like" system for quality posts and any reward for usual. And agree with words about new market here for merits(
Any article about this in russian?

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January 25, 2018, 11:00:43 AM
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One last thought about it all, when we click on merit on other peoples profile I think we should see who left that merit and where.
This was requested a few times and will be added soon.


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January 25, 2018, 11:00:50 AM
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In my opinion, the new merit system is respectable because we force to produce a helpful and excellence of posts, and to make the trends easy to understand, as you notice the question somethings is identical the same to others question or topic.  But there also disadvantages some people are smart regarding on cheating. They will sell there merit not here on the forum maybe outside transaction to avoid too caught by the admin on this forum.

Yes but don't worry, this system won't cut down spam or useless post. Fake accounts (and you can't discriminate who is and who's not) will still be there.

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January 25, 2018, 11:01:11 AM
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This systems looks good to stop compulsive online posters, because now this will be useless, and this is ok.
Of course it sucks: next week I should rank up to "Member" but now it's no more so automatic, and I have to earn 10 points.
OK, we'll see how hard it will be.
But - even I appreciate the good intention - it seems to me that there is a lot of space to abuse.

I mean, I think it will be very easy to create some "clans" where members will reward each other, more over at local level: can someone suspect what kind of agreement will be take in some mysterious language?

I think this system is a very good starting point, and we'll what will happens: of course it's too early to evaluate it.

I'm  little pissed of, as I don't have any merit to share, and by the way I don't understand too well the stuff about merit, smerit, o.5...
I'll read more, we'll see what happen.

Btw, congratulation for the initiative, I hope it will make this forum a better place
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January 25, 2018, 11:02:07 AM
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I have a question of more morale character. I think it is pretty obvious that there is a lot of respect surrounding the people already bearing Sr. Member to Legendary tags, especially from members with less seniority than these, and rightfully so. However, concerns from the latter can be just as justified, and at times more right and relevant, than the council given from people with great seniority. How do you make sure that Newbie and Jr. Member with something good on their minds' comments doesn't get drowned in the sea of Newbie fudder comments? I have a fear that people with seniority will be more inclined to merit people with seniority, than people with little, regardless of the quality of the post. This thread, and the merits already given here, proves that I am not entirely wrong.

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January 25, 2018, 11:04:17 AM
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This new merit system looks fine with me thanks theymos. This will remove shitposters in this forum definitely. In a week or so, the time will come that one requirements of the signature campaign is base on the merit of the user. Although this is a good additional feature, there is a loophole with this. One is many users will sell their spendable merit to other people so this merit system will be consider a way to earn money too.

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January 25, 2018, 11:05:07 AM
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I have a question of more morale character. I think it is pretty obvious that there is a lot of respect surrounding the people already bearing Sr. Member to Legendary tags, especially from members with less seniority than these, and rightfully so. However, concerns from the latter can be just as justified, and at times more right and relevant, than the council given from people with great seniority. How do you make sure that Newbie and Jr. Member with something good on their minds' comments doesn't get drowned in the sea of Newbie fudder comments? I have a fear that people with seniority will be more inclined to merit people with seniority, than people with little, regardless of the quality of the post. This thread, and the merits already given here, proves that I am not entirely wrong.

Well, I could prove your theory wrong and give you some Merit......
or someone else could prove your theory correct.... Wink

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January 25, 2018, 11:06:00 AM
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I think we should have the ability to unmerit a post, I really like this idea though because there are certain users with huge negative feedbacks but contribute a lot, so now it will be more clear to newbis that users such as quickseller, and tman that they truly dont desrve to be red, (or in QS case, not in the top 10 most negative)

thanks bud.. though not sure if I like being mentioned in the same thread as QS..

we all know that OG is a bitter vindictive tit who abuses his DT position when he feels like it... I wear my negs from him with pride.. it doesn't stop people trading with me and sending 1st.. its actually amusing to some..

this new position takes some power away from the dinosaur.. so its a good thing..

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January 25, 2018, 11:11:35 AM
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I have a fear that people with seniority will be more inclined to merit people with seniority, than people with little, regardless of the quality of the post. This thread, and the merits already given here, proves that I am not entirely wrong.

Merit is in the eye of the beholder. I would feel more inclined the other way, to reward lower rank members that are making an effort to learn about and get involved in Bitcoin. This forum is where it all started for me and I want to encourage others. This thread isn't really the place to do that.

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January 25, 2018, 11:12:09 AM
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I think the new system of merit is fine, i like it. on the other hand I was very close to Hero's rank, now I'm screwed  Cry

Same here buddy, I missed out the Senior Member rank with only 2 Activitypoints and 6 days, now it seems to be far away. It is a pity that Merit is not related to the previous earned Activity points for existing users, so I got the same like a fresh ranked up Full Member.

Although I like the new system.


I think that it would be a decent proposal to make to Theymos, if he could figure out a way to give pro-rata merit credit to members who are not at the very beginning of their rank.  I know that it might be a lot of work, but it might also be the more fair thing to do, if there is a way to reasonably accomplish such.

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January 25, 2018, 11:13:42 AM
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I think we should have the ability to unmerit a post
If a post is worth negative Merit, you can simply click "Report to moderator" on the right-bottom of each post.

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