Merit & new rank requirements

[actmyname]

Now, most of the merit point will go of course to the oldest and wisest members on the forum (as it is normal)

To which they will distribute it to posts that they like and think are useful. The whole thing about sMerit is that it exponentially decays when passed from user to user. 50% of the Merit that you are given becomes sMerit that you can send... and I believe that the so-called "oldest and wisest members" would have enough time to send some Merit to some other members. Sure, it'll look somewhat centralized if only the most notable members of the forum are being given Merit but doesn't that incentivize higher-quality posting?

When i was check my Btt account i see 10 merit under activity ..

Read the damn thread, dingo.

[evg1394]

I do not understand why it was impossible to start the day after the rank change? On my example - I had 5 days left, but now I need at least three more months ?! And there are a lot of such. No, it's wrong, I'm sorry.

[Lutpin]

I do not understand why it was impossible to start the day after the rank change? On my example - I had 5 days left, but now I need at least three more months

I have 966 activity and actmyname has 952. He is legendary and I am hero. He has 1000 merit, I had to start with 500.
Life is unfair, I know. But at least your taxes are free.

[actmyname]

I have 966 activity and actmyname has 952. He is legendary and I am hero. He has 1000 merit, I had to start with 500.
Life is unfair, I know. But at least your taxes are free.

Poor you. I got it at <800 IIRC

I do not understand why it was impossible to start the day after the rank change? On my example - I had 5 days left, but now I need at least three more months ?! And there are a lot of such. No, it's wrong, I'm sorry.

Everyone is treated equally here. Perhaps some people were also 5 days left from ranking up. Perhaps they just ranked up. If you think you deserve some special treatment, that your rank should be "rounded up" then this is not the place for you.

Make some quality posts, yeah?

[JWKY]

I do not understand why it was impossible to start the day after the rank change? On my example - I had 5 days left, but now I need at least three more months ?! And there are a lot of such. No, it's wrong, I'm sorry.

same with me too, I will take very long to member to be able join some signature bounty
no choice but to accept it

[achow101]

same with me too, I will take very long to member to be able join some signature bounty

That's the point.

[ThemonkiiX]

This thread should be stickied imo.
A lot of people will ask what's merit or  how to get merits point.

1 question to theymos, how if someone/people buying/selling merit points to ranked up faster?
I hope a permaban for that person/people.

can not agree any more. there will be member selling their points. BTW, I wonder if the merit will reduce when give to other people

[actmyname]

This thread should be stickied imo.
A lot of people will ask what's merit or  how to get merits point.

1 question to theymos, how if someone/people buying/selling merit points to ranked up faster?
I hope a permaban for that person/people.

can not agree any more. there will be member selling their points. BTW, I wonder if the merit will reduce when give to other people

If you read the thread you would realize that sMerit and Merit are not linked. Jesus. You're literally in the thread, how hard can it be to just open your eyes and turn to page one?

[jnano]

can you move the merit button to the left side of the quote(/edit/delete) buttons?

A good idea. Often-used functions should be placed in more accessible spots. Probably also the post number should be moved.

Greetings from 2100, the new forum software is nice.

I do hope it happens only then. New-style forum software is annoying. The current design is light on resources, compatible with older browsers, generally works without JavaScript, provides good information density.

The overall problem here is that professional spammers will utilize their network of spammers and finances to circumvent the merit system, whereas non-professional spammers will be stopped in their tracks.

I assume non-pro spammers are the large majority, so the new system still solves most of it.

How is decaying sMerit an incentive if there is no reward to sending or holding sMerit in the first place?

The reward is improved forum content.

Besides, what's the reward for clicking "Like" on Facebook? If anything, there's a larger penalty to that: letting Facebook and the potentially the world track your proclivities, linked to your real identity.

The minimum to credit should be 0.00000001 merit. At least with respect to Bitcoin.  

Lols, then we should have a maximum of 21 million merit points on this forum.
Once we reach that number no more points getting "mined".

Good idea. I suggest the forum creates a new coin just for that, directly linked to forum Merit points. Maybe fork Bitcoin? Call it Bitcoin Talk (BCT).

[aroweyen]

Is it allowed to ask for Merits?
For example, I created a long post which I think is of quality and then at the end of my post I say please merit me if you think I am helpful etc. etc... Just like a youtuber asking for likes & subscribers at the end of their video.

[Lutpin]

BTW, I wonder if the merit will reduce when give to other people

First reply, explanation for those that cant be bothered to read and understand the full OP.

You have Merits, those you cannot send.
You also have sMerits, those you can only send, they have no other purpose.

When someone gives Merit to you they lose sMerit of the amount transfered and you gain Merit as well as sMerit (which in case you can send again).

Example: Should I send 10 Merit to you for a post, my sMerit would decrease by 10.
Your Merit would increase by 10 and your sMerit would increase by 5.


Merits are exclusively earned, but the sMerit part you also get keeps the circulation flowing.

(Ignoring merit sources here, for the sake of making an easy example.)

Is it allowed to ask for Merits?
For example, I created a long post which I think is of quality and then at the end of my post I say please merit me if you think I am helpful etc. etc... Just like a youtuber asking for likes & subscribers at the end of their video.

This would likely decrease your chances to get merit.
Similar to how it is currently allowed to ask for trust, but people generally frown upon it, and many dont leave trust if asked for.

[stompix]

Sure, it'll look somewhat centralized if only the most notable members of the forum are being given Merit but doesn't that incentivize higher-quality posting?

Just to make me sure nobody gets the wrong idea....

If I would have 2 or 3 points to give a month, let's say, probably I would give them all to DannyHamilton for his explanations. I wound't waste a single one on some jr member and I certainly doubt a jr member might be able to compete in quality with DH.
Now if I had 100....I might spare a buck for somebody really trying

[Yatsan]

So negative trust user have their smerit too? I think that will be another problem. Because, they can use it to troll or give to their alt account. They can simply send all of their merit to the random member and that member will be accused that it is their alts. However, they can send their merit to their alt and act like that they do it for troll. DT members should be more alert for the negative trust account.

[theymos]

I expect merit to tend toward scarcity as time goes on, but when it gets too scarce, I'll have to add more merit sources or give the existing sources more free sMerit. The goal will be to avoid people from feeling like getting merit is virtually impossible, but also to avoid a scenario where everyone is always maxing out the limits because 1 merit is ~worthless.

Each source has a different limit per 30 days. The current average is 185, and in total up to 8125 merit could be created per month.

Actually I have been legendary for a few weeks already now. Strange you see my rank as hero.

edit; I see my rank as hero as well now, I ranked down? 
edit2; Seems to be back to normal.

You were oscillating between Hero and Legendary; I fixed it.

[InvoKing]

-snip-

You already know what's mean waiting (for years) to be a legendary here
I wouldn't give much attention to this system if I was but now it is frustrating to wait even longer.
Well like Lutpin said, life is unfair  

Btw, can we have a link to the merit like "patrol" or maybe in our profile like "trust"? (i didn't find anything except the direct link https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit)

[DarkStar_]

Is it allowed to ask for Merits?
For example, I created a long post which I think is of quality and then at the end of my post I say please merit me if you think I am helpful etc. etc... Just like a youtuber asking for likes & subscribers at the end of their video.

Merits should be earned. If it really is a quality and helpful post, people should merit you without needing to be reminded. I don't think it's against the rules, but I doubt it will help you gain merit.

So negative trust user have their smerit too? I think that will be another problem. Because, they can use it to troll or give to their alt account. They can simply send all of their merit to the random member and that member will be accused that it is their alts. However, they can send their merit to their alt and act like that they do it for troll. DT members should be more alert for the negative trust account.

It would be very obvious if a negative trusted user gave a random Newbie 50 merits.

[vegita1233]

So with this merit system what is the expected time to get to legendary? Just to make it completely obvious .. may I have some merits? I seem to need alot to get to the next level.

[danherbias07]

I am already seeing what will happen here.
I have read until the last page and some gave good questions that requires answers to be cleared and ideas and yet no merit points was given to them.

It should not just be quality posts but also quality questions.

Lets face it theymos did not complete the details about merits.

Well then, good luck to us.
This is just the first day though.

[ranman09]

Is there a place we can see the posts we've earned merit from?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit

Interesting.  Are merits meant to be traded or exclusively earned?

You have Merits, those you cannot send.
You also have sMerits, those you can only send, they have no other purpose.

When someone gives merit to you they lose sMerit of the amount transfered and you gain Merit as well as sMerit (which in case you can send again).

Eg should I send 10 Merit to you for a post, my sMerit would decrease by 10.
Your merit would increase by 10 and your sMerit would increase by 5.

The simplest explanation so far, and far most easy to understand. Thank you Luptin. I'll send this 1 Merit

[JWKY]

just wanna ask all big boss here, my thread like below worth get any merit?
thread easily can down to bottom and not much ppl will see  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2770113.msg28305477