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January 25, 2018, 01:32:52 PM
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Did I miss something, Is there Merit reward for reporting spam posts?

No. Merit points are for good posts only.

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January 25, 2018, 01:36:27 PM
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There are also ways to farm Merit Points so the Mods/Merit Sources have to be careful, here is just a scenario:
You create 10 accounts, then you start spamming with all 10.
You report all the spams accounts you created from your main account and there you have Merit points for reporting spammer.
There always be someone trying to cheat the system unfortunately, so Admins and Mods have to be aware of this.


Did I miss something, Is there Merit reward for reporting spam posts?
No, you do not earn merit by reporting bad posts. Just another sig spammer posting bullshit on topics they know nothing about - exactly the sort of thing this new system will hopefully discourage.

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January 25, 2018, 01:38:12 PM
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Nice work theymos, I was redirected here by Lutpin. Maybe you can also post this update on the news tab at the top of forum page?
What about rank up?
If user ranked up, do he take a new sendable merit?
Base on what I read there's no addition of Smerit when he ranks up, Lutpin explained it very well as quoted by stompix too.


You have Merits, those you cannot send.
You also have sMerits, those you can only send, they have no other purpose.

When someone gives Merit to you they lose sMerit of the amount transfered and you gain Merit as well as sMerit (which in case you can send again).

Example: Should I send 10 Merit to you for a post, my sMerit would decrease by 10.
Your Merit would increase by 10 and your sMerit would increase by 5.



Merits are exclusively earned, but the sMerit part you also get keeps the circulation flowing.

(Ignoring merit sources here, for the sake of making an easy example.)


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January 25, 2018, 01:39:28 PM
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There are also ways to farm Merit Points so the Mods/Merit Sources have to be careful, here is just a scenario:
You create 10 accounts, then you start spamming with all 10.
You report all the spams accounts you created from your main account and there you have Merit points for reporting spammer.
There always be someone trying to cheat the system unfortunately, so Admins and Mods have to be aware of this.


Where did you get that information? I didn't read anything about earning merit points by reporting some posts to moderator but if that is true then your given scenario will likely happen in the coming days

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January 25, 2018, 01:40:43 PM
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Just noticed I got 10 merit points showing up on my profile and search google for answer Cheesy

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January 25, 2018, 01:41:20 PM
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So basically ,you're just making sure that members with low ranks keep their low ranks so you don't get less stakes during bounty campaigns ?

It's also good for those who wanna sell accounts ,right ?

If what you want is better posts ,just get rid of gimmick accounts ,delete useless posts...get more mods .

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I haven't read the whole thread but I'm pretty sure I'm saying what everybody here thinks but is afraid to say .

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January 25, 2018, 01:44:18 PM
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it's a good idea , but first it will be good to have an easy procedure to recover old account and add the 2FA secrity iption

many people here are reopening new account because of the lockof their old account and have difficulty to rank again

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January 25, 2018, 01:46:20 PM
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I'm excited that finally bitcointalk add new features , actually I'll more excited if they add more security feature to protect our account ,  as I know that it's need Activity + Merit to rank up , actually I just need 2 activity and next wednesday I'll rank up to Sr Member , so sad now because it's look like fresh Full member and start earn again 150 Merit to rank up .... anyway I still like this feature to reduce account farming (no more newbie because of hard to rank up)

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January 25, 2018, 01:49:19 PM
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So basically ,you're just making sure that members with low ranks keep their low ranks so you don't get less stakes during bounty campaigns ?

It's also good for those who wanna sell accounts ,rights ?

If what you want is better posts ,just get rid of gimmick accounts ,delete useless posts...get more mods .

 Roll Eyes

I haven't read the whole thread but I'm pretty sure I'm saying what everybody here thinks but is afraid to say .


It's a lost battle, no matter how much mods you hire, you can't keep up with the spam. A mod will clearly not check every thread post by post, It's also worth mentioning that users don't even do their part for reporting spam. This has nothing to do with less stakes, I'm pretty sure theymos never participated in these bounty campaigns. The value of accounts may increase but spammers gonna spam and will eventually get banned, as for those who are high quality posts then there is no need to buy an account in the first place, right?

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January 25, 2018, 01:49:37 PM
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At me such question, at once I am sorry for the bad English. I missed 4 Activists before Hiro, I was credited with 250 Merit, after the 30th, I will not become hiro? I need merits? Would not it be wiser to do this after updating the activity?

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January 25, 2018, 01:51:18 PM
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It's also worth mentioning that users don't even do their part for reporting spam.
That reminds me, I'd be interested in the recent numbers, theymos.


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January 25, 2018, 01:51:51 PM
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I totally support the idea. It will reduce hidden spamming (people sending posts to the discussion threads where everything was already said just to build up their post count).
But I also totally agree with this user:

I already don't like the way clicking on +merit takes you away from the thread.  Can you please have it open in a new window?

Less clicking forwards and backwards = more adoption.
I would also like to have the possibility to see who gave me a merit and for which post. This way I would also be able to self-correct in the terms of quality.

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January 25, 2018, 01:53:42 PM
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Next step is KYC to open a BitcoinTalk account. haha!

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i lol'd hard Smiley absolutely true and would definitely kill all those newbie farming accounts in an instant Smiley

I believe that there would be better solutions than current Merit system as phone verification upon registration, it would dramatically decrease account farming .
Other possible solution award system for reporting spam and low quality posts.

Hope that Merit system will work.  
I will fully support you and I will be only glad if such an opportunity arises. there are also software developers for mining, but not all have 2fa on the mail

There are also ways to farm Merit Points so the Mods/Merit Sources have to be careful, here is just a scenario:
You create 10 accounts, then you start spamming with all 10.
You report all the spams accounts you created from your main account and there you have Merit points for reporting spammer.
There always be someone trying to cheat the system unfortunately, so Admins and Mods have to be aware of this.


create 10 accounts is easy, the mail is specified any, even if it does not exist, the forum skips such registration = the spammer



This is nonsense. This forum is privacy friendly, Tor friendly and so on, theymos doesn't mind people using Tor or the use of other accounts. Bitcoin within itself is privacy friendly and goes against the concept of KYC. What's next, requiring a selfie ID to open an account?

The point of this system is that since you have 0 merit points by default, you cannot get high level accounts to spam 400 times a day on sig campaigns by mere farming. Now let's just see how it works in practice, because these kind of systems are typically gameable/exploitable and potentially unfair, as in such an huge high volume forum, good quality posts may keep getting unnoticed and not valued enough for people to rank in a reasonable time, or people just forgetting the system even exists and not remembering to rate a good post and so on.

I would like to see more mods banning the obvious spammers and third worlders (nothing against third worlders, but just stick to your native language section or learn some basic english) and more efforts put into the account recovery problems to make it faster rather than this tbh, but we'll see how it goes.
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January 25, 2018, 01:54:26 PM
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You report all the spams accounts you created from your main account and there you have Merit points for reporting spammer.
Merit points are awarded for good posts, not for valid reports to moderators.
The problem is non-existent as the reward is non-existent. You didn't understand how the system works.
Read the OP again.

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January 25, 2018, 01:56:06 PM
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Horrible idea, A moderator could send merits to an account and then deletes or trashes merited posts, Impossible for every single post to be viewed and given any merit point. People with outstanding post quality will have a full time job to write good quality posts and then receive merit points, If not they could post a thread with ten of them and become a merit source, They will become a source for ranked up forum accounts with enough merit points. What if I post a thread with 10 of the missed high quality posts and someone sends them merit points before you have the chance of viewing them?

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January 25, 2018, 01:56:58 PM
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So basically ,you're just making sure that members with low ranks keep their low ranks so you don't get less stakes during bounty campaigns ?

It's also good for those who wanna sell accounts ,rights ?

If what you want is better posts ,just get rid of gimmick accounts ,delete useless posts...get more mods .

 Roll Eyes

I haven't read the whole thread but I'm pretty sure I'm saying what everybody here thinks but is afraid to say .


It's a lost battle, no matter how much mods you hire, you can't keep up with the spam. A mod will clearly not check every thread post by post, It's also worth mentioning that users don't even do their part for reporting spam. This has nothing to do with less stakes, I'm pretty sure theymos never participated in these bounty campaigns. The value of accounts may increase but spammers gonna spam and will eventually get banned, as for those who are high quality posts then there is no need to buy an account in the first place, right?
I'm not "old" enough to know what the mods intentions really are ,I just don't know them but that's just the first thing that comes to mind with such a system .Whales will stay whales and little fish will be eaten ,not very satoshi spirit if you ask me .

I agree that there is a lot to moderate and there will never be enough mods but in this case ,how about a negative merit thing ?That would be more efficient .
This whole thing will get more people to act like whores ,begging for merit points and you won't get rid of useless posts because people do have to post in order to achieve tasks given in the campaigns .

P.S : I report every spammy ,scammy ,shitty post I see.

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January 25, 2018, 02:02:02 PM
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You report all the spams accounts you created from your main account and there you have Merit points for reporting spammer.
Merit points are awarded for good posts, not for valid reports to moderators.
The problem is non-existent as the reward is non-existent. You didn't understand how the system works.
Read the OP again.

Hey dude, what’s a Copper Member and more importantly what’s a:



Being a legendary member, you should know what is copper and gold member. Users can buy these special tags by paying some fees.

Check it out for your reference.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2385104.0



Thanks! No, I never read that thread. Hey, I donated 2 btc to the forum long ago so I should be a copper member. LOL

I saw someone had a gold member under their name. What does that mean?

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January 25, 2018, 02:03:28 PM
 #718

A moderator could send merits to an account and then deletes or trashes merited posts
The merit stays, as does the public log of said moderator doing this action. What would they gain? Besides beef with theymos?

Impossible for every single post to be viewed and given any merit point.
Pretty likely that all posts get read, most several times.
Whether or not they are deserving of merit is another question.

People with outstanding post quality will have a full time job to write good quality posts and then receive merit points
People with outstanding post quality gain them naturally, with the posts they make anyway.

If not they could post a thread with ten of them and become a merit source, They will become a source for ranked up forum accounts with enough merit points.
sourcs gain "source merit" a form of sMerit, which isn't tied to their account. You dont see sMerit and it doesnt count towards the limit for ranks.
In short, being a source isnt a shortcut, its a resopnsibility. To distribute and to reward.

What if I post a thread with 10 of the missed high quality posts and someone sends them merit points before you have the chance of viewing them?
So your full criticism focuses on the way new sources are selected right now?
Ignore that, assume all sources are selected, focus on the system itself, not it's creation/expansion mechanism (which could likely be improved).


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January 25, 2018, 02:06:47 PM
 #719

Already in all sell merits, and it is not a secret for anybody. And this is a very bad, bad twice. First, it is the speculators, and second of all honest users in mind start to have bad thoughts, because they, too, could get a cache. My English is very bad, maybe bad translate my thought.

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January 25, 2018, 02:07:29 PM
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Merit system is very good,
Merit can improve someone in doing Post and can reduce misunderstanding whether someone did shit post or not and I worry "Merit on sale"

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