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January 25, 2018, 01:46:20 PM
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I'm excited that finally bitcointalk add new features , actually I'll more excited if they add more security feature to protect our account ,  as I know that it's need Activity + Merit to rank up , actually I just need 2 activity and next wednesday I'll rank up to Sr Member , so sad now because it's look like fresh Full member and start earn again 150 Merit to rank up .... anyway I still like this feature to reduce account farming (no more newbie because of hard to rank up)

By the away , I just found that a thread start trading Merit in my local board (Chinese) , 1 Merit = 10 CNY and chat with QQ
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January 25, 2018, 01:49:19 PM
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So basically ,you're just making sure that members with low ranks keep their low ranks so you don't get less stakes during bounty campaigns ?

It's also good for those who wanna sell accounts ,rights ?

If what you want is better posts ,just get rid of gimmick accounts ,delete useless posts...get more mods .

 Roll Eyes

I haven't read the whole thread but I'm pretty sure I'm saying what everybody here thinks but is afraid to say .


It's a lost battle, no matter how much mods you hire, you can't keep up with the spam. A mod will clearly not check every thread post by post, It's also worth mentioning that users don't even do their part for reporting spam. This has nothing to do with less stakes, I'm pretty sure theymos never participated in these bounty campaigns. The value of accounts may increase but spammers gonna spam and will eventually get banned, as for those who are high quality posts then there is no need to buy an account in the first place, right?

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January 25, 2018, 01:49:37 PM
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At me such question, at once I am sorry for the bad English. I missed 4 Activists before Hiro, I was credited with 250 Merit, after the 30th, I will not become hiro? I need merits? Would not it be wiser to do this after updating the activity?

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January 25, 2018, 01:51:18 PM
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It's also worth mentioning that users don't even do their part for reporting spam.
That reminds me, I'd be interested in the recent numbers, theymos.

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January 25, 2018, 01:51:51 PM
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I totally support the idea. It will reduce hidden spamming (people sending posts to the discussion threads where everything was already said just to build up their post count).
But I also totally agree with this user:

I already don't like the way clicking on +merit takes you away from the thread.  Can you please have it open in a new window?

Less clicking forwards and backwards = more adoption.
I would also like to have the possibility to see who gave me a merit and for which post. This way I would also be able to self-correct in the terms of quality.

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January 25, 2018, 01:53:42 PM
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Next step is KYC to open a BitcoinTalk account. haha!

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i lol'd hard Smiley absolutely true and would definitely kill all those newbie farming accounts in an instant Smiley

I believe that there would be better solutions than current Merit system as phone verification upon registration, it would dramatically decrease account farming .
Other possible solution award system for reporting spam and low quality posts.

Hope that Merit system will work.  
I will fully support you and I will be only glad if such an opportunity arises. there are also software developers for mining, but not all have 2fa on the mail

There are also ways to farm Merit Points so the Mods/Merit Sources have to be careful, here is just a scenario:
You create 10 accounts, then you start spamming with all 10.
You report all the spams accounts you created from your main account and there you have Merit points for reporting spammer.
There always be someone trying to cheat the system unfortunately, so Admins and Mods have to be aware of this.


create 10 accounts is easy, the mail is specified any, even if it does not exist, the forum skips such registration = the spammer



This is nonsense. This forum is privacy friendly, Tor friendly and so on, theymos doesn't mind people using Tor or the use of other accounts. Bitcoin within itself is privacy friendly and goes against the concept of KYC. What's next, requiring a selfie ID to open an account?

The point of this system is that since you have 0 merit points by default, you cannot get high level accounts to spam 400 times a day on sig campaigns by mere farming. Now let's just see how it works in practice, because these kind of systems are typically gameable/exploitable and potentially unfair, as in such an huge high volume forum, good quality posts may keep getting unnoticed and not valued enough for people to rank in a reasonable time, or people just forgetting the system even exists and not remembering to rate a good post and so on.

I would like to see more mods banning the obvious spammers and third worlders (nothing against third worlders, but just stick to your native language section or learn some basic english) and more efforts put into the account recovery problems to make it faster rather than this tbh, but we'll see how it goes.
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January 25, 2018, 01:54:26 PM
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You report all the spams accounts you created from your main account and there you have Merit points for reporting spammer.
Merit points are awarded for good posts, not for valid reports to moderators.
The problem is non-existent as the reward is non-existent. You didn't understand how the system works.
Read the OP again.

Hey dude, what’s a Copper Member and more importantly what’s a:



Being a legendary member, you should know what is copper and gold member. Users can buy these special tags by paying some fees.

Check it out for your reference.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2385104.0

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January 25, 2018, 01:56:06 PM
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Horrible idea, A moderator could send merits to an account and then deletes or trashes merited posts, Impossible for every single post to be viewed and given any merit point. People with outstanding post quality will have a full time job to write good quality posts and then receive merit points, If not they could post a thread with ten of them and become a merit source, They will become a source for ranked up forum accounts with enough merit points. What if I post a thread with 10 of the missed high quality posts and someone sends them merit points before you have the chance of viewing them?
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January 25, 2018, 01:56:58 PM
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So basically ,you're just making sure that members with low ranks keep their low ranks so you don't get less stakes during bounty campaigns ?

It's also good for those who wanna sell accounts ,rights ?

If what you want is better posts ,just get rid of gimmick accounts ,delete useless posts...get more mods .

 Roll Eyes

I haven't read the whole thread but I'm pretty sure I'm saying what everybody here thinks but is afraid to say .


It's a lost battle, no matter how much mods you hire, you can't keep up with the spam. A mod will clearly not check every thread post by post, It's also worth mentioning that users don't even do their part for reporting spam. This has nothing to do with less stakes, I'm pretty sure theymos never participated in these bounty campaigns. The value of accounts may increase but spammers gonna spam and will eventually get banned, as for those who are high quality posts then there is no need to buy an account in the first place, right?
I'm not "old" enough to know what the mods intentions really are ,I just don't know them but that's just the first thing that comes to mind with such a system .Whales will stay whales and little fish will be eaten ,not very satoshi spirit if you ask me .

I agree that there is a lot to moderate and there will never be enough mods but in this case ,how about a negative merit thing ?That would be more efficient .
This whole thing will get more people to act like whores ,begging for merit points and you won't get rid of useless posts because people do have to post in order to achieve tasks given in the campaigns .

P.S : I report every spammy ,scammy ,shitty post I see.
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January 25, 2018, 02:02:02 PM
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You report all the spams accounts you created from your main account and there you have Merit points for reporting spammer.
Merit points are awarded for good posts, not for valid reports to moderators.
The problem is non-existent as the reward is non-existent. You didn't understand how the system works.
Read the OP again.

Hey dude, what’s a Copper Member and more importantly what’s a:



Being a legendary member, you should know what is copper and gold member. Users can buy these special tags by paying some fees.

Check it out for your reference.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2385104.0



Thanks! No, I never read that thread. Hey, I donated 2 btc to the forum long ago so I should be a copper member. LOL

I saw someone had a gold member under their name. What does that mean?

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January 25, 2018, 02:03:28 PM
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A moderator could send merits to an account and then deletes or trashes merited posts
The merit stays, as does the public log of said moderator doing this action. What would they gain? Besides beef with theymos?

Impossible for every single post to be viewed and given any merit point.
Pretty likely that all posts get read, most several times.
Whether or not they are deserving of merit is another question.

People with outstanding post quality will have a full time job to write good quality posts and then receive merit points
People with outstanding post quality gain them naturally, with the posts they make anyway.

If not they could post a thread with ten of them and become a merit source, They will become a source for ranked up forum accounts with enough merit points.
sourcs gain "source merit" a form of sMerit, which isn't tied to their account. You dont see sMerit and it doesnt count towards the limit for ranks.
In short, being a source isnt a shortcut, its a resopnsibility. To distribute and to reward.

What if I post a thread with 10 of the missed high quality posts and someone sends them merit points before you have the chance of viewing them?
So your full criticism focuses on the way new sources are selected right now?
Ignore that, assume all sources are selected, focus on the system itself, not it's creation/expansion mechanism (which could likely be improved).

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Already in all sell merits, and it is not a secret for anybody. And this is a very bad, bad twice. First, it is the speculators, and second of all honest users in mind start to have bad thoughts, because they, too, could get a cache. My English is very bad, maybe bad translate my thought.

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January 25, 2018, 02:07:29 PM
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Merit system is very good,
Merit can improve someone in doing Post and can reduce misunderstanding whether someone did shit post or not and I worry "Merit on sale"
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January 25, 2018, 02:08:19 PM
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Sorry for my bad English....
Great idea? Less than a day after the news, Merit is already sold! This is the birth of another gray market.

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I would also like to have the possibility to see who gave me a merit and for which post. This way I would also be able to self-correct in the terms of quality.

Difficult to find, but there is a way

Check your merit stats here
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January 25, 2018, 02:09:21 PM
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I saw someone had a gold member under their name. What does that mean?

That hilariousandco he a moderator so can set anything he wants as a custom title. In this case, he is keen for theymos to add additional ranks to copper so it's a way of bringing attention to the idea.

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January 25, 2018, 02:11:28 PM
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Merit system is very good,
Merit can improve someone in doing Post and can reduce misunderstanding whether someone did shit post or not and I worry "Merit on sale"

It can be indeed,

But it can be something that company will use for bounty/airdrop selection ... and in that case ... will complicated everything.
Idk ...

People already begins to sell/buy merit, as i think the only way to control this, it's about a full control of merit, full traceability .. anyway i think mods are smart ... let's see what it will happen !  Cheesy Cheesy

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January 25, 2018, 02:11:36 PM
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Hi there!
Interesting concept about the merit points.
My concern is that some people got 100 or more points because they were already at high rank of activity.
But it's quite unfair because those merit points were given only fully not gradually. Wouldn't it have been possible to give the initial merit point not in term of full rank but in term of activity?
To be more precise I will take my personal example. In one week I should have got from member to full member due to my activity.
Due to the fact I'm currently member I only got 10 merit point. But to be full member I will need to earn 90points of merit.
This is unfair because it's like all the activity I manage to do in the last month is nothing.
Could you give the initial merit point proportionnaly to the activity? After that every one will need to increase both it's activity and merit point but it will be more fair to start with proportionnal merit points.

Thanks
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January 25, 2018, 02:12:38 PM
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Regarding demerit, I really think it would be abused to "punish" people you disagree with, rather than punishing low quality posts. I can't even imagine the drama it would create on the forums with tears and hurt feelings.
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January 25, 2018, 02:14:11 PM
Last edit: January 25, 2018, 02:33:52 PM by pawel7777
Merited by EcuaMobi (2), ibminer (1)
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Few comments (while I'm still scanning through the thread):

1 - Trading merits may not be allowed, but it'll surely happen. Therefore your spendable balance is worth something (it also appreciate the value of your account), that encourages hoarding.

2 - What's the current, rough number of merit sources (MS)? If regular (non-MS) members are not rushing to spend their merits, then it would be mainly on MS to be responsible for ranking up worthy members, so you need to make sure that MS are present on every board (including local boards). Also, if I send 2 merits to someone and he can only spend 1 of that, that means 1 gets destroyed, that creates scarcity and the distribution will rest predominately on MS members.


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Each source has a different limit per 30 days. The current average is 185, and in total up to 8125 merit could be created per month.
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This seems waaay too low. And shouldn't this limit be somewhat flexible and tied to total activity/new registrations etc?



We could use some clear guidelines on how to use the system, i.e.:

- there's a large number of posters who are genuine (not only here for profit) but not outstanding in creating good content (they would ask sensible question, participate and be genuinely interested in discussions etc). Should members (especially MS) be encouraged to tip such users for their general "an OK" level of posting, just to help them rank-up, or should we just accept that vast majority could never reach higher ranks? I don't see anything particularly wrong in the latter.

- example: signature campaign manager promises to send 5 merits at the end of the period to each participant, as a reward for their constructive posting (if they haven't been kicked-out during, that means manager must've seen them as constructive). Should this be allowed, or viewed as "merit trading" (merit points in exchange for advertising)?

- if I know a member, think his quality is "OK" but not outstanding, can I send him 10 merits to any post as a reward for overall contribution (to help him rank up), or will this be seen as suspicious and potential merit-trading, for which I could get red-tagged?

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...There is no point in hoarding sMerit; keeping it yourself does not benefit you, and we reserve the right to decay unused sMerit in the future.

From any signature-camp participant perspective: not sharing points benefits me, as I make it harder for new ones to rank up and become a competition for me, making it easier to get the spot in campaign and could keep payment rates higher. It also increases the value of my account.

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