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January 25, 2018, 01:08:42 PM
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Sorry for my bad English, not native speaker.
The system itself is great, but I didn't got something about realisation:
each 30 days will be distributed up to 8125 merit (proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg28863043#msg28863043 ) including 0.5 decreasing progression it gives us 8125x2=16250 max merit, actually little less.
Every member needs something about 14 merit for period, something about 30 merit in month. It gives us 16250/30=542 members who can get amount of merit they need. That's really low number: there is more than 15K of Full Members for example. Even if only 10% of them are active, that's 1500+ accounts, 3 times more the system can support. And this is Full Members only.
I didn't take in attention current distribution of merit, because it takes place only once, and the system is supposed to last for a long time I think.
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January 25, 2018, 01:09:53 PM
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I think that after this innovation many speculators will start trading merits. In my opinion, it is necessary to watch out for this.

Only the higher ranked members have enough merit to make a difference unless a lot of acounts give one merit.
And it would be easy to spot. We have alot of passionate legendaries that check and give negative trust today to accounts that posts trash.
I would immagine they would spot this as well.
There are participants with high rank who are engaged in bad things, but it is very difficult to prove.

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January 25, 2018, 01:12:56 PM
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This merit and new ranking requirements is a very significant idea but will make a lot of adjustment for many users to create a high-quality post and inquire essential or meaningful concepts. Good luck to everyone that will respectfully follow the new ranking system and to those users that will abuse the new merit system.  Wink
Congrats to all users that making a high-quality and meaningful post especially to the newbie and Jr. Member.  Smiley

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January 25, 2018, 01:13:48 PM
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I personally do like the concept and I also think I understand the goal behind it.

Also I agree with what was said before - I saw this happening in many campaigns users posting “Dear Sir” with many shit posts and they were admitted to the campaign whereas myself who tried to help new miners on many topics was left out. This behavior made me already question the entire purpose of the forum as it was already slighlty derailing.

It personally also affects me as it will take more time to reach Full Member ranking but happy to wait for this if I have to read less crap posts like “Dear Sir I love the application of blockchain in this project, great future ahead”

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January 25, 2018, 01:14:38 PM
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So only new users don't have any merit points and have to earn them? Pre-existing members are fine? If I send merit points will they come off my current 500?

-Merit (Dislike) is necessary too.

This would be a good idea to give to people making very poor posts or threads.
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January 25, 2018, 01:15:14 PM
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This will prevent spamming and account farming as it would take way too long for someone to rank up their accounts and too much effort. I think we'll see a lof of worthy changes and a lot of accounts being left to rot now.

The only problem I see with this system is hoarding merit points and the same people over and over getting points. It would probably be beneficial if someone put a post up on what to merit people for and what not too.
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January 25, 2018, 01:16:57 PM
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Really like the new idea about merit , that would really lower the Multi account farming . Would be really nice to see who gave you merit aswell , what do you think guys ?
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January 25, 2018, 01:20:19 PM
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Really like the new idea about merit , that would really lower the Multi account farming . Would be really nice to see who gave you merit aswell , what do you think guys ?

You can already do this. Just click the following link while
you are logged into your Bitcointalk account:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit
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January 25, 2018, 01:23:07 PM
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I fully understand and appreciate the concept of the Merit system.

But i also think that it's going to hinder the genuine people that post in threads that will not get merited because people either don't want to merit or they just cannot be bothered to use the system like that. which then in turn will take them an age to rank up.

would it not be more beneficial to add like/dislike buttons or potentially a up/down voting buttons that can then rank members up or down?


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January 25, 2018, 01:25:44 PM
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What about rank up?
If user ranked up, do he take a new sendable merit?

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January 25, 2018, 01:26:37 PM
Last edit: January 25, 2018, 01:58:31 PM by LoyceV
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Sorry for my bad English, not native speaker.
The system itself is great, but I didn't got something about realisation:
each 30 days will be distributed up to 8125 merit (proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg28863043#msg28863043 ) including 0.5 decreasing progression it gives us 8125x2=16250 max merit, actually little less.
The number of users who are "Merit sources" is likely to grow in the future.

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Every member needs something about 14 merit for period, something about 30 merit in month. It gives us 16250/30=542 members who can get amount of merit they need. That's really low number: there is more than 15K of Full Members for example. Even if only 10% of them are active, that's 1500+ accounts, 3 times more the system can support. And this is Full Members only.
Users will have to compete for Merit points, and only the best posts get to earn them. That's not a bad thing, the majority of all users has a very low post quality, partially caused by account farmers who create many accounts.
It is a good think that not all of them can become Full Member anymore.

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January 25, 2018, 01:28:29 PM
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There are also ways to farm Merit Points so the Mods/Merit Sources have to be careful, here is just a scenario:
You create 10 accounts, then you start spamming with all 10.
You report all the spams accounts you created from your main account and there you have Merit points for reporting spammer.
There always be someone trying to cheat the system unfortunately, so Admins and Mods have to be aware of this.


Did I miss something, Is there Merit reward for reporting spam posts?


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January 25, 2018, 01:30:34 PM
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I fully understand and appreciate the concept of the Merit system.

But i also think that it's going to hinder the genuine people that post in threads that will not get merited because people either don't want to merit or they just cannot be bothered to use the system like that. which then in turn will take them an age to rank up.

No, it is not going to do that.
If the user reading your post doesn't feel like clicking two times to give you a merit point it simply means your post is not worth it.

would it not be more beneficial to add like/dislike buttons or potentially a up/down voting buttons that can then rank members up or down?

Unlimited votes and newbie accounts having the power to vote would just lead to abuse.
We don't have enough moderators to fight spam, who is going to control all the votes?

So only new users don't have any merit points and have to earn them? Pre-existing members are fine? If I send merit points will they come off my current 500?

I think Lutpin has explained this at least one hundred times

You have Merits, those you cannot send.
You also have sMerits, those you can only send, they have no other purpose.

When someone gives Merit to you they lose sMerit of the amount transfered and you gain Merit as well as sMerit (which in case you can send again).

Example: Should I send 10 Merit to you for a post, my sMerit would decrease by 10.
Your Merit would increase by 10 and your sMerit would increase by 5.



Merits are exclusively earned, but the sMerit part you also get keeps the circulation flowing.

(Ignoring merit sources here, for the sake of making an easy example.)



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January 25, 2018, 01:31:02 PM
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Concept is good, but I don't know if it will work. It will be a hard task in this forum.
Those negative positive trust points were not used many times.

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January 25, 2018, 01:31:32 PM
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You report all the spams accounts you created from your main account and there you have Merit points for reporting spammer.
Merit points are awarded for good posts, not for valid reports to moderators.
The problem is non-existent as the reward is non-existent. You didn't understand how the system works.
Read the OP again.

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January 25, 2018, 01:32:52 PM
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Did I miss something, Is there Merit reward for reporting spam posts?

No. Merit points are for good posts only.
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January 25, 2018, 01:36:27 PM
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There are also ways to farm Merit Points so the Mods/Merit Sources have to be careful, here is just a scenario:
You create 10 accounts, then you start spamming with all 10.
You report all the spams accounts you created from your main account and there you have Merit points for reporting spammer.
There always be someone trying to cheat the system unfortunately, so Admins and Mods have to be aware of this.


Did I miss something, Is there Merit reward for reporting spam posts?
No, you do not earn merit by reporting bad posts. Just another sig spammer posting bullshit on topics they know nothing about - exactly the sort of thing this new system will hopefully discourage.

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January 25, 2018, 01:38:12 PM
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Nice work theymos, I was redirected here by Lutpin. Maybe you can also post this update on the news tab at the top of forum page?
What about rank up?
If user ranked up, do he take a new sendable merit?
Base on what I read there's no addition of Smerit when he ranks up, Lutpin explained it very well as quoted by stompix too.


You have Merits, those you cannot send.
You also have sMerits, those you can only send, they have no other purpose.

When someone gives Merit to you they lose sMerit of the amount transfered and you gain Merit as well as sMerit (which in case you can send again).

Example: Should I send 10 Merit to you for a post, my sMerit would decrease by 10.
Your Merit would increase by 10 and your sMerit would increase by 5.



Merits are exclusively earned, but the sMerit part you also get keeps the circulation flowing.

(Ignoring merit sources here, for the sake of making an easy example.)


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January 25, 2018, 01:39:28 PM
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There are also ways to farm Merit Points so the Mods/Merit Sources have to be careful, here is just a scenario:
You create 10 accounts, then you start spamming with all 10.
You report all the spams accounts you created from your main account and there you have Merit points for reporting spammer.
There always be someone trying to cheat the system unfortunately, so Admins and Mods have to be aware of this.


Where did you get that information? I didn't read anything about earning merit points by reporting some posts to moderator but if that is true then your given scenario will likely happen in the coming days

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Just noticed I got 10 merit points showing up on my profile and search google for answer Cheesy

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