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January 25, 2018, 09:47:58 AM
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I like the system much more than when it was first suggested. My only reservation is that for it to work well the merit sources will have to put a lot of effort into rewarding posts that deserve it. We'll have to wait and see how it works out, but there is a danger the whole thing could stagnate when the novelty wears off.
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I won't mind giving some merit to people that are new on the forum and make good quality posts (as in really helpful, not just lengthy and repeating what has been said before). I just need to figure out how to do such a thing, maybe I should just keep taps on the Patrol page.

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January 25, 2018, 09:49:11 AM
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I like the system much more than when it was first suggested. My only reservation is that for it to work well the merit sources will have to put a lot of effort into rewarding posts that deserve it. We'll have to wait and see how it works out, but there is a danger the whole thing could stagnate when the novelty wears off.
Honestly, this is so much better than reporting. And everyone has instant visual feedback.
(I'll keep reporting, but something like this was needed)

Unfortunately, have to admit it is another one of those steps heavily skewed in favor of early adopters.
Early adpoters == those users, that assumably have been writing good posts for years already and get some merit as reward for those now?

yes because a great way to help the community is helping new members... but those new members have no Merit to pay your efforts for helping them out.. Which kind of defeats the purpose ?? But it works just for quality posts in general , but i think helping newer members should reward something in this system imo...
Sources monitor eg the Beginners&Help section and reward those helping out newcommers. Problem solved.


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January 25, 2018, 09:49:38 AM
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Yeah, I corrected the typos, still getting used to merits/sMerits.

But back on topic: there is no resent in my objection, I am just trying to understand the new system and make it work.

As of today, sMerits are scarce and have two functions:
(a) appreciation for good quality content and
(b) a resource to rank up

They are being granted by a few and will be hot merchandise for those who do not have them. Appreciation can be expressed in different ways and that's where I see that sending sMerits to Legendaries is pointless.

How do you measure it as useless? If the legendary members got point because they deserved it coz they post something great, it wont be useless for them. As you may see, they are given the default amount of merit points, and if they cant increase it, we can conclude that the members is not active or isn't making any great post. So it doesn't matter if they have 1000 now because it was their previous work before this updates, that point is a default point, it is just the same as zero in my opinion.


Yeah, I see that appreciation part. I just think it's unfortunate to mix up (a) and (b).

Another thing is information advantage over time. The crypto sphere constantly needs new people. If you are new to crypto, you are not be in a position to create high quality content. sMerits will more likely concentrate in accounts that have been around for long, which prevents ranking up and emphasizes the divide, driving out new people over time.

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January 25, 2018, 09:51:11 AM
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The merit system got implemented like 10 hours ago. So expect different kinds of reactions. Either negative or positive, those reactions will add to the improvements of this system.

We will see how it goes for the coming days.

How about giving incentives to an active member who is always giving his / her sMerits to quality posts. Like +1 Merit for every 50 sMerits given. So a member will not only make quality posts, he / she will also read and give sMerits to those who deserve it.

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January 25, 2018, 09:52:49 AM
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Quote from: asapjoshyy on Today at 05:46:59 AM
yes because a great way to help the community is helping new members... but those new members have no Merit to pay your efforts for helping them out.. Which kind of defeats the purpose ?? But it works just for quality posts in general , but i think helping newer members should reward something in this system imo...
Sources monitor eg the Beginners&Help section and reward those helping out newcommers. Problem solved.

if that is being done then i agree that would work... if there is a few "merit monitors"
but man giving like 1 merit for a few good quality posts when somebody needs hundred or more is really tough....
basically anybody close to ranking up is screwed over currently which sucks and anybody who is Senior Member + can just kick back
Long term this could be a positive thing for the forum but man it sucks big time for anybody close to ranking up in the next couple weeks

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January 25, 2018, 09:53:21 AM
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Well how much you get depends on the mood of the forum members too. In some forums you can get easier as it is faster to use.
Bitcointalk is a little bit slower forum for use so I don't expect many merit points, but it definitely brings out the quality.
I hope that need for quality will not bring out unnatural quality when someone tries to force the quality when there's none.
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January 25, 2018, 09:53:47 AM
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The merit system got implemented like 10 hours ago. So expect different kinds of reactions. Either negative or positive, those reactions will add to the improvements of this system.

We will see how it goes for the coming days.

How about giving incentives to an active member who is always giving his / her sMerits to quality posts. Like +1 Merit for every 50 sMerits given. So a member will not only make quality posts, he / she will also read and give sMerits to those who deserve it.

That will be very difficult to track for moderators. So far as giving Smerits is concerned, there is no point in storing the. It is mentioned that they may be nullified if not used for long term.

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I see a lot of sMerits given to Legendaries in this thread - what's the point of this? I mean, other than boosting their egos, Legendaries don't have any actual use for sMerits.

Should we not disable sMerits for Legendaries? sMerits are a scarce resource, after all.


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Seems like you have a groundless objection, and a proposal that comes off as resentful merely because legendaries have been awarded with Merit.. (or grandfathered in).


By the way, merits and smerits are not the same thing.   Roll Eyes

Yeah, I corrected the typos, still getting used to merits/sMerits.

But back on topic: there is no resent in my objection, I am just trying to understand the new system and make it work.

Fair enough that you are attempting to figure out the new system, and I understand how there could be a bit of frustration by the whole thing, and even seeming like starting over, in some regards, especially if you are half way through a rank, but then you only get awarded the minimum merit for that rank - as if you just got promoted to that level.


As of today, sMerits are scarce and have two functions:
(a) appreciation for good quality content and
(b) a resource to rank up


o.k.  So you are acknowledging that there is more than one purpose for merit.  Yes, we can concede that Legendary members no longer need to rank up; however, they can be rewarded for good work, and they can also give away smerit after they receive merit, then they receive  .5 smerit that they can give to someone else.



They are being granted by a few and will be hot merchandise for those who do not have them. Appreciation can be expressed in different ways and that's where I see that sending sMerits to Legendaries is pointless.

I am sure that we are going to be seeing how this plays out, and I doubt that Theymos is locked into this situation if he concludes that it is not working out as planned - but in any event, you seem to only be focusing on the ranking up aspect.. which you already concede is only part of the new smerits system.

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January 25, 2018, 09:58:30 AM
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So we now need to Gain Merits as well as activity to rank up.  Shocked  Seems Pretty Hard. But I will be more friendly to the Forum and will try to create amazing and intresting posts.  Cool

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January 25, 2018, 09:59:35 AM
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"For current members, your initial merit score is equal to the minimum required to your rank"

Unfortunately, have to admit it is another one of those steps heavily skewed in favor of early adopters.

This is exactly my point: if the merit system would have been implemented just in a month, I'd had 100 merit by default, without any relation with post quality. 100 point that now I need to earn.

I don't complain about my position, much more, I received a red trust as "shitposter", I want to get rid of it, so I'll put any effort to write good posts.

But it seems unfair to me that a lot of high rank members have so much advantage with no other reason that their initail position.

Btw, may be to earn merit is easier that I think, even I don't think so. We'll see.

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January 25, 2018, 09:59:51 AM
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maybe every new user should have at least 1 sMerit ?
No good. Account farmers would get a ton of free merit, which defeats the whole purpose.

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January 25, 2018, 10:00:32 AM
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Interestingly, no one has yet created a petition on https://www.change.org/ to the administration of the Bitcointalk forum about the cancellation / relaxation of these innovations?
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January 25, 2018, 10:01:37 AM
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So we now need to Gain Merits as well as activity to rank up.  Shocked  Seems Pretty Hard. But I will be more friendly to the Forum and will try to create amazing and intresting posts.  Cool

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if youre that friendly send me some merit bro hahah
150 merit from full member to senior rank i really wonder how long this will organically take??

it really does feel like starting over which sucks... hope this system works for the best and does weed out the bots/crap posters

if its my birthday soon can i beg for merit? what are the rules here lolll

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January 25, 2018, 10:02:44 AM
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So basically, merit is a way to determine those who are constructively doing sentences. If I myself got a merit, that means I am contributing quality post in this forum. Right?
Anyone can give you merit for crappy posts, so I wouldn't say that a post with merit is a quality post.


But we can review that from where that user got merit points and if it's manipulative, we can associated all accounts who is trying to manipulating the merit points.
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January 25, 2018, 10:04:18 AM
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maybe every new user should have at least 1 sMerit ?
No good. Account farmers would get a ton of free merit, which defeats the whole purpose.


the other option of "merit mods" would work better actually after thinking about it.... they look over beginner sub threads and can send Merit to members who are helping newbie ranks who cant give Merit for being helped out.... just thinking sending like 1 Merit once in a while wouldnt be enough, good help is valuable.... The rich get richer in this situation , but also does help the community so theres positives and negatives in any change most of the time

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January 25, 2018, 10:04:37 AM
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"For current members, your initial merit score is equal to the minimum required to your rank"

Unfortunately, have to admit it is another one of those steps heavily skewed in favor of early adopters.

This is exactly my point: if the merit system would have been implemented just in a month, I'd had 100 merit by default, without any relation with post quality. 100 point that now I need to earn.

I don't complain about my position, much more, I received a red trust as "shitposter", I want to get rid of it, so I'll put any effort to write good posts.

But it seems unfair to me that a lot of high rank members have so much advantage with no other reason that their initail position.

Btw, may be to earn merit is easier that I think, even I don't think so. We'll see.
Now you have to earn sMerits with a reg trust on your account.
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January 25, 2018, 10:06:25 AM
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maybe every new user should have at least 1 sMerit ?
No good. Account farmers would get a ton of free merit, which defeats the whole purpose.
the other option of "merit mods" would work better actually after thinking about it.... they look over beginner sub threads and can send Merit to members who are helping newbie ranks who cant give Merit for being helped out.... just thinking sending like 1 Merit once in a while wouldnt be enough, good help is valuable.... The rich get richer in this situation , but also does help the community so theres positives and negatives in any change most of the time
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yes because a great way to help the community is helping new members... but those new members have no Merit to pay your efforts for helping them out.. Which kind of defeats the purpose ?? But it works just for quality posts in general , but i think helping newer members should reward something in this system imo...
Sources monitor eg the Beginners&Help section and reward those helping out newcommers. Problem solved.


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if youre that friendly send me some merit bro hahah
150 merit from full member to senior rank i really wonder how long this will organically take??

it really does feel like starting over which sucks... hope this system works for the best and does weed out the bots/crap posters

if its my birthday soon can i beg for merit? what are the rules here lolll

Ironically, this kind of lulz lols jejeje hehehe post can potentially give you merits among a circle of users, whereas other users can find them annoying.

Because yeah, merit is subjective, and this is another flaw of this system.

Also, it's not clear what happens when I'm caught selling merits points for BTCBTCBTC. Am I free to do that? Will I be publicly shamed in public plaza? Will I be permabanned from all our galaxy solar systems?

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January 25, 2018, 10:08:57 AM
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"For current members, your initial merit score is equal to the minimum required to your rank"

Unfortunately, have to admit it is another one of those steps heavily skewed in favor of early adopters.

This is exactly my point: if the merit system would have been implemented just in a month, I'd had 100 merit by default, without any relation with post quality. 100 point that now I need to earn.

I don't complain about my position, much more, I received a red trust as "shitposter", I want to get rid of it, so I'll put any effort to write good posts.

But it seems unfair to me that a lot of high rank members have so much advantage with no other reason that their initail position.

Btw, may be to earn merit is easier that I think, even I don't think so. We'll see.

Life is unfair. Do you complain that bitcoin is unfair because those who got in early are now reaping the rewards? I'll tell you what really is unfair... Watching this forum be swamped by shitposters day after day who are only here to earn money for poor posts asking the same questions without reading: 'how do i sign camp' and 'wut is activity' etc. This new merit system throws a spanner in the works of anyone who thinks they can sign up here and shitpost their way through ranks because now they will get nowhere fast if they aren't going to contribute anything worthwhile.

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January 25, 2018, 10:09:38 AM
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maybe every new user should have at least 1 sMerit ?
No good. Account farmers would get a ton of free merit, which defeats the whole purpose.

Account farmers could still be in benefit especially those who have lot of active member accounts.

Interestingly, no one has yet created a petition on https://www.change.org/ to the administration of the Bitcointalk forum about the cancellation / relaxation of these innovations?

Wait for some time, the concept is new. Smiley

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