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January 25, 2018, 09:57:48 AM
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I see a lot of sMerits given to Legendaries in this thread - what's the point of this? I mean, other than boosting their egos, Legendaries don't have any actual use for sMerits.

Should we not disable sMerits for Legendaries? sMerits are a scarce resource, after all.


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Seems like you have a groundless objection, and a proposal that comes off as resentful merely because legendaries have been awarded with Merit.. (or grandfathered in).


By the way, merits and smerits are not the same thing.   Roll Eyes

Yeah, I corrected the typos, still getting used to merits/sMerits.

But back on topic: there is no resent in my objection, I am just trying to understand the new system and make it work.

Fair enough that you are attempting to figure out the new system, and I understand how there could be a bit of frustration by the whole thing, and even seeming like starting over, in some regards, especially if you are half way through a rank, but then you only get awarded the minimum merit for that rank - as if you just got promoted to that level.


As of today, sMerits are scarce and have two functions:
(a) appreciation for good quality content and
(b) a resource to rank up


o.k.  So you are acknowledging that there is more than one purpose for merit.  Yes, we can concede that Legendary members no longer need to rank up; however, they can be rewarded for good work, and they can also give away smerit after they receive merit, then they receive  .5 smerit that they can give to someone else.



They are being granted by a few and will be hot merchandise for those who do not have them. Appreciation can be expressed in different ways and that's where I see that sending sMerits to Legendaries is pointless.

I am sure that we are going to be seeing how this plays out, and I doubt that Theymos is locked into this situation if he concludes that it is not working out as planned - but in any event, you seem to only be focusing on the ranking up aspect.. which you already concede is only part of the new smerits system.

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January 25, 2018, 09:58:30 AM
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So we now need to Gain Merits as well as activity to rank up.  Shocked  Seems Pretty Hard. But I will be more friendly to the Forum and will try to create amazing and intresting posts.  Cool

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January 25, 2018, 09:59:35 AM
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"For current members, your initial merit score is equal to the minimum required to your rank"

Unfortunately, have to admit it is another one of those steps heavily skewed in favor of early adopters.

This is exactly my point: if the merit system would have been implemented just in a month, I'd had 100 merit by default, without any relation with post quality. 100 point that now I need to earn.

I don't complain about my position, much more, I received a red trust as "shitposter", I want to get rid of it, so I'll put any effort to write good posts.

But it seems unfair to me that a lot of high rank members have so much advantage with no other reason that their initail position.

Btw, may be to earn merit is easier that I think, even I don't think so. We'll see.

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January 25, 2018, 09:59:51 AM
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maybe every new user should have at least 1 sMerit ?
No good. Account farmers would get a ton of free merit, which defeats the whole purpose.

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January 25, 2018, 10:00:32 AM
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Interestingly, no one has yet created a petition on https://www.change.org/ to the administration of the Bitcointalk forum about the cancellation / relaxation of these innovations?
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January 25, 2018, 10:01:37 AM
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So we now need to Gain Merits as well as activity to rank up.  Shocked  Seems Pretty Hard. But I will be more friendly to the Forum and will try to create amazing and intresting posts.  Cool

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if youre that friendly send me some merit bro hahah
150 merit from full member to senior rank i really wonder how long this will organically take??

it really does feel like starting over which sucks... hope this system works for the best and does weed out the bots/crap posters

if its my birthday soon can i beg for merit? what are the rules here lolll
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January 25, 2018, 10:02:44 AM
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So basically, merit is a way to determine those who are constructively doing sentences. If I myself got a merit, that means I am contributing quality post in this forum. Right?
Anyone can give you merit for crappy posts, so I wouldn't say that a post with merit is a quality post.


But we can review that from where that user got merit points and if it's manipulative, we can associated all accounts who is trying to manipulating the merit points.

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January 25, 2018, 10:04:18 AM
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maybe every new user should have at least 1 sMerit ?
No good. Account farmers would get a ton of free merit, which defeats the whole purpose.


the other option of "merit mods" would work better actually after thinking about it.... they look over beginner sub threads and can send Merit to members who are helping newbie ranks who cant give Merit for being helped out.... just thinking sending like 1 Merit once in a while wouldnt be enough, good help is valuable.... The rich get richer in this situation , but also does help the community so theres positives and negatives in any change most of the time
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January 25, 2018, 10:04:37 AM
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"For current members, your initial merit score is equal to the minimum required to your rank"

Unfortunately, have to admit it is another one of those steps heavily skewed in favor of early adopters.

This is exactly my point: if the merit system would have been implemented just in a month, I'd had 100 merit by default, without any relation with post quality. 100 point that now I need to earn.

I don't complain about my position, much more, I received a red trust as "shitposter", I want to get rid of it, so I'll put any effort to write good posts.

But it seems unfair to me that a lot of high rank members have so much advantage with no other reason that their initail position.

Btw, may be to earn merit is easier that I think, even I don't think so. We'll see.
Now you have to earn sMerits with a reg trust on your account.
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January 25, 2018, 10:06:25 AM
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maybe every new user should have at least 1 sMerit ?
No good. Account farmers would get a ton of free merit, which defeats the whole purpose.
the other option of "merit mods" would work better actually after thinking about it.... they look over beginner sub threads and can send Merit to members who are helping newbie ranks who cant give Merit for being helped out.... just thinking sending like 1 Merit once in a while wouldnt be enough, good help is valuable.... The rich get richer in this situation , but also does help the community so theres positives and negatives in any change most of the time
Called sources.

yes because a great way to help the community is helping new members... but those new members have no Merit to pay your efforts for helping them out.. Which kind of defeats the purpose ?? But it works just for quality posts in general , but i think helping newer members should reward something in this system imo...
Sources monitor eg the Beginners&Help section and reward those helping out newcommers. Problem solved.

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if youre that friendly send me some merit bro hahah
150 merit from full member to senior rank i really wonder how long this will organically take??

it really does feel like starting over which sucks... hope this system works for the best and does weed out the bots/crap posters

if its my birthday soon can i beg for merit? what are the rules here lolll

Ironically, this kind of lulz lols jejeje hehehe post can potentially give you merits among a circle of users, whereas other users can find them annoying.

Because yeah, merit is subjective, and this is another flaw of this system.

Also, it's not clear what happens when I'm caught selling merits points for BTCBTCBTC. Am I free to do that? Will I be publicly shamed in public plaza? Will I be permabanned from all our galaxy solar systems?

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January 25, 2018, 10:08:57 AM
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"For current members, your initial merit score is equal to the minimum required to your rank"

Unfortunately, have to admit it is another one of those steps heavily skewed in favor of early adopters.

This is exactly my point: if the merit system would have been implemented just in a month, I'd had 100 merit by default, without any relation with post quality. 100 point that now I need to earn.

I don't complain about my position, much more, I received a red trust as "shitposter", I want to get rid of it, so I'll put any effort to write good posts.

But it seems unfair to me that a lot of high rank members have so much advantage with no other reason that their initail position.

Btw, may be to earn merit is easier that I think, even I don't think so. We'll see.

Life is unfair. Do you complain that bitcoin is unfair because those who got in early are now reaping the rewards? I'll tell you what really is unfair... Watching this forum be swamped by shitposters day after day who are only here to earn money for poor posts asking the same questions without reading: 'how do i sign camp' and 'wut is activity' etc. This new merit system throws a spanner in the works of anyone who thinks they can sign up here and shitpost their way through ranks because now they will get nowhere fast if they aren't going to contribute anything worthwhile.

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January 25, 2018, 10:09:38 AM
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maybe every new user should have at least 1 sMerit ?
No good. Account farmers would get a ton of free merit, which defeats the whole purpose.

Account farmers could still be in benefit especially those who have lot of active member accounts.

Interestingly, no one has yet created a petition on https://www.change.org/ to the administration of the Bitcointalk forum about the cancellation / relaxation of these innovations?

Wait for some time, the concept is new. Smiley
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January 25, 2018, 10:12:32 AM
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The system is not bad, let's see how it will get on. Only I do not really understand the method of calculating the merit, it will be added once a month or together with activi every two weeks? And it will be the same amount of merit or will it vary depending on the use of posts? Suppose if I have now 30 merita, then how many will be next month and maybe there will be a decrease in his quantity?

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January 25, 2018, 10:12:43 AM
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Life is unfair. Do you complain that bitcoin is unfair because those who got in early are now reaping the rewards? I'll tell you what really is unfair... Watching this forum be swamped by shitposters day after day who are only here to earn money for poor posts asking the same questions without reading: 'how do i sign camp' and 'wut is activity' etc. This new merit system throws a spanner in the works of anyone who thinks they can sign up here and shitpost their way through ranks because now they will get nowhere fast if they aren't going to contribute anything worthwhile.

total agree
every day, for example, i read same noobs questions.. because people dont use "search" button

old ranking worked in these years but now is necessary new paradigm

like stackoverflow, who start early gain more "stackoverflow points".. who start late had to work hard


edit for say: very good solution about merit Smiley

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Hello. How can I look at history of put or received merit? thanks

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if youre that friendly send me some merit bro hahah
150 merit from full member to senior rank i really wonder how long this will organically take??

it really does feel like starting over which sucks... hope this system works for the best and does weed out the bots/crap posters

if its my birthday soon can i beg for merit? what are the rules here lolll

Ironically, this kind of lulz lols jejeje hehehe post can potentially give you merits among a circle of users, whereas other users can find them annoying.

Because yeah, merit is subjective, and this is another flaw of this system.

Also, I've not clear what happens if I'm caught selling merits points for BTCBTCBTC. Am I free to do that? Will I be publicly shamed in public plaza? Will I be permabanned from all our galaxy solar systems?
I do not think that you are supposed to sell merit points for BTC. But how will this be tackled on this forum is a big question. There are so many members and it is not hard to game this especially for people with multiple accounts.

Hello. How can I look at history of put or received merit? thanks
See here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit
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Hello. How can I look at history of put or received merit? thanks
You can see that on this page.



Also, I've not clear what happens if I'm caught selling merits points for BTCBTCBTC. Am I free to do that? Will I be publicly shamed in public plaza? Will I be permabanned from all our galaxy solar systems?
If you are caught selling Merit you will likely be negative trusted, and possibly have your ability to give merit removed.
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I am sure that we are going to be seeing how this plays out

I will agree to that, we'll have to sit back and see how this plays out.

Since I appreciate our dialogue AND in order to prove a point (embrace change), I am sending you (a Legendary) one of my five sMerits

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January 25, 2018, 10:18:00 AM
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"For current members, your initial merit score is equal to the minimum required to your rank"

Unfortunately, have to admit it is another one of those steps heavily skewed in favor of early adopters.

This is exactly my point: if the merit system would have been implemented just in a month, I'd had 100 merit by default, without any relation with post quality. 100 point that now I need to earn.

I don't complain about my position, much more, I received a red trust as "shitposter", I want to get rid of it, so I'll put any effort to write good posts.

But it seems unfair to me that a lot of high rank members have so much advantage with no other reason that their initail position.

Btw, may be to earn merit is easier that I think, even I don't think so. We'll see.

I don't know why do you feel it as an unfair system for low rank member. In world, it is natural that higher rank people in an institution (company, university, etc) such as manager or head department of something or boss or CEO has several big advantages than lower rank member such as worker or student or intern or ethers.
Do you expect that CEO has the same advantages as a worker?
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