Merit & new rank requirements

[stompix]

It would be nice to be able to see which of our posts was merited. Right now I can't seem to find a way to see that kind of info.

You can here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit

Theymos should add this to the OP.
Something like....

• Where can I check who gave me merit and my merit history?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit

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[TheReverseTrader]

This might not be fair for new people, I don't know if others will ever consider to give merit to newbies. Guess I had to been registered here like 1year back to get some kind of "good" positions. Juniors and newbies are often treated poorly and seen as funny guys around, not taken seriously.

I should have created my account 2 years ago when I got into bitcoin... but eventually everyone will get there and rank better...

[Lutpin]

I'm very happy that things have started to happen, hopefully we can all stop bitching about account farming now (including me).
Thanks so much theymos, I'm looking forward to this becoming a forum I enjoy visiting again.

This is a first step in a right direction, I wonder if more steps are planned.
The problematic of farming new accounts should be contered with this change, but what about already farmed, high ranked shitposters?

There's been a bit of discussion about possible concepts that could be implemented today, and ecuamobi made a suggestion that was well responded.
Did you read the thread, and if so, what are your opinions on those suggestions, theymos?


Quoting over:

Another idea which could work, something like merging the SMAS list into the trust system:

• On every profile, besides Trust, there's an option to mark user as spammer
• This instantly makes that user's signature invisible for the user who marked him, or add him into the ignore list, to be decided
• If the user who marked him is on DT1 or DT2; staff; or any other list to be decided, then the marked user losses the right to wear a signature. This way, it's not up to signature managers to allow them into a campaign or not. The forum would disable the signature for him

Some details should be discussed, but that would be the idea.

[jointherevolution]

I cannot see that merit button people keep talking about. Is it because I'm a new member?

[Gleb Gamow]

I already don't like the way clicking on +merit takes you away from the thread.  Can you please have it open in a new window?

Open in new windows or tabs was disabled long ago on this forum due to it being a security risk.

Meanwhile, some dude is tryin' to sell his sM for a million bucks: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818511.0  

[Lutpin]

I cannot see that merit button people keep talking about. Is it because I'm a new member?

You dont have any merit/sMerit to give. Once you receive merit, and thus gain sMerit, you should see the button.
I assume it's hidden for those that can't use it anyway.

[Johnyz]

It would be very hard for us now to rank up but we must adopt this great new system to maintain the quality here in forum.
We must be very fair in terms of giving merits, and I do hope this new system will works fine in the long run.

[avikz]

Meanwhile, some dude is tryin' to sell his sM for a million bucks: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818511.0  

Exactly that's what I am fearing!! I am sure Gleb will not sell it for sure, but it shows it will open up a market for merit points and the worthy people will not get any merit.

Edit 3- my account again degraded to Hero from Legendary.

[BlockEye]

I wish there would have been some sort of option of giving dislike (-ve merit) to the spam/LQ posts and if any post receives certain -ve merits/dislikes,it should be automatically deleted /hidden

If this will implement, Lauda and other DT that active on spam/troll busting will be demerit AF due to Negative user still have merit too that can be given away.  

[micoholic]

I already don't like the way clicking on +merit takes you away from the thread.  Can you please have it open in a new window?

Open in new windows or tabs was disabled long ago on this forum due to it being a security risk.

Meanwhile, some dude is tryin' to sell his sM for a million bucks: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818511.0  

Lol, this is exactly what I was thinking! Merit business is officially on its way 

[Gleb Gamow]

I already don't like the way clicking on +merit takes you away from the thread.  Can you please have it open in a new window?

Agree 100% with this.  A new window, or maybe just code in a little box next to the post where you can type the Merit you want to give and then hit Give or something.

Instead of posting you 100% agree, you should have given me 100 merit.  

I'd like to believe Theymos implemented this partly as a solution to my request.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622992.0

Given that it took 3+ years to implement, I'd say your assessment is probably right.   <humor at theymos' expense, if you get my drift>

[Lutpin]

Given that it took 3+ years to implement, I'd say your assessment is probably right. <humor at theymos' expense, if you get my drift>

Greetings from 2100, the new forum software is nice.

That may or may not have been my drift. I love this place!

And this place loves you <3

[Gleb Gamow]

I already don't like the way clicking on +merit takes you away from the thread.  Can you please have it open in a new window?

Open in new windows or tabs was disabled long ago on this forum due to it being a security risk.

Meanwhile, some dude is tryin' to sell his sM for a million bucks: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818511.0  

Lol, this is exactly what I was thinking! Merit business is officially on its way  

It's worst than that, bud. I've already introduced the concept on BCC's thread where one can lend their sM and earn interest compounded daily, calling it ... wait for it ... BCCsM.  

Given that it took 3+ years to implement, I'd say your assessment is probably right. <humor at theymos' expense, if you get my drift>

Greetings from 2100, the new forum software is nice.

That may or may not have been my drift. 

I love this place!  

[seven2smoke1]

It's really a smart move from theymos to clean this forum from spam, so we can see now more constructive posts. Members should posts good quality post to gain Merit points and then, they can be upgraded to the next rank.

[NakiRR]

Oo 5 days before "Full Member", i'm shocked. But in any case this is a fair rank system and i support it. Hope i will receive my "Full" soon )

[OriginTrain]

As a long time SEO professional I see this system very much similar to PageRank, and it will have a number of benefits and pitfalls of the PageRank system.

The benefits are obvious and great, it will reduce spamming by requiring additional tasks.

Now going to the potential pitfalls -
1) Merit farming on paid sites. Some members have suggested banning/penalizing members purchasing this. The problem here however is the same as negative SEO - how do you prove someone bought it? And if people receive merit from a "paid source" and get banned for it, you could then buy paid merit for people you don't like to get them banned or penalized.

2) Reciprocal merit telegram groups. To make it less obvious there could be "merit chains" of 3 people or more.

3) Alt-chain merit giving. Once 10 alt accounts or so have enough merit, they could now use their monthly allowance to instantly pass the merit requirements on their new alt accounts. This would make identifying alts easier of course and is easily solvable by a rule that would disallow this. But since alt accounts are allowed according to the forum rules, it waits to be seen what the admins point of view will be regarding this.

Point 1) and 3) are easily solved by retroactively removing merit given from an identified corrupt merit-giving account, and also removing all sMerit capability from the corrupt account (+other penalty maybe?).

Point 2) will be very, very difficult to combat.

The overall problem here is that professional spammers will utilize their network of spammers and finances to circumvent the merit system, whereas non-professional spammers will be stopped in their tracks. This is kind of like a central power monopolizing corruption to only the most professional corrupt bodies (kind of like the extensive licensing needed for a bank or casino where only the best malicious actors can thrive: ie highly organized crime syndicates, or corruptly-networked individuals that can crash the financial system with crappy equity-baskets with AAA ratings).

At the end of the day it's very unlikely any automated system can overcome the spam. However as an overall I think the merit system is nevertheless good since at least it adds an additional barrier to overcome for spammers. I like and prefer however where trusted community members can simply give red trust to obvious spammers, thus preventing them from meeting the requirements for signature campaigns. It will be good to see both of these systems acting as deterrence against spam together.

PS: Awarding default merit to all existing members is a problem I think. There's already tonnes of farmed hero/legendary accounts that will have huge amounts of monthly sMerit.. permanently. My idea: Make this "free" initial merit expire after 1 year. That gives all members 1 year to make enough quality posts to retain their ranking.

[Lutpin]

This might be something tiny and I dont know if everyone would agree, but can you move the merit button to the left side of the quote(/edit/delete) buttons?
I know it's just a small change, but I've seen myself misclicking a few times already when selecting post links via the #number.

[legendster]

Instead of posting you 100% agree, you should have given me 100 merit.  

This, contradicts this :

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

So, I give you 7 merit points.  

@Theymos, you have implemented the "like" button of facebook here, trust me, it'll end up getting used like one.

[milhaop]

Ok, I've understood all about this new system, however I have a consideration:

I usually go to the Beginners & Help forum, so that I can help newbies, I like it. But why I'll do this now? The newbies don't have sMerit to send me if they like my post, right?

Maybe you guys should think in something else in order to solve this and help the community to grow even more.

[bill gator]

Now that all of my negatives have been removed, the positive smerit I have sent to counter-balance those ratings remain and my total sMerit is currently sitting at -6.

Is this something I am to overcome myself, or is it possible to get my other "test" merits removed?

I was pretty excited to get used to the system, but now it seems I'm at a pretty sad disadvantage for using the system properly, because I foolishly was testing the bug before posting about it uninformed.

I can probably work my way back up to positive numbers, just wondering if anything can be done?