Merit & new rank requirements

[tranthidung]

Weekly update on merit distributions since the 5th of March.

As always, my statistics on percentage changes of merit distribution are different from @coinlocket$'s ones.
The difference mainly due to my comparison made to compare a specific figure of total merits distribute at specific week to previous median (not as of previous merits distributed as @coinlocket$ approach).

The current median has not changed too much since latest one, insignificant fall from 4405 to 4390, despite of the dramatic drop of total merit distributed last week.

Last week (start from 29/10/2018 to 04/11/2018), the total weekly distributed merits fell nearly 24.6% than median of previous period (from 05/03/2018 to 28/10/2018).
3302 and 4405 are the last week totally distributed merits and median of previous period, respectively, which have been used for the comparison in my analysis.

One more thing, 3302 is a low total weekly distributed merits, but the figure has still not been a potential outliers, which should be somewhere around 2.5k.
The figure has been outside the interquartile range, which ranges from 3903 to 4820.
The lower potential outliers calculate via the following formula:
Potential lower outliers =  Q1 - 1.5*IQR = 3903 - 1.5*(4820- 3903) = 2528.

It means that we might have something very interesting to make a deeply analysis if the total merit distributed per week drops to around 2.5k at any specific week.

Additionally, by now, we have seen only one week that has a spike over the higher potential outlier. The mentioned week, when new required merit aims at Junior member rank and demotion implementation, has 9684 merits distributed in total.
The formula to calculate higher potential outliers is: Q3 + 1.5*IQR = 4820 +1.5*917 = 6196.

In a nutshell, weeks that have total distributed merits above 6.2k or below 2.5k should be taken into consideration because they are highly potential outliers. It is probably that the sorts of outlier-weeks occur due to significant changes in the forum rules/ systems, etc.
Of course, the exact value of outlier thresholds, both above and below, will change over time, but it will be somewhere around those points (2.5k and 6.2k).

* Note:
- IQR = Q3 - Q1
- Q1: the 25th quartile
- Q3: the 75th quartile.

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[JayJuanGee]

I see many post deserves for  my appreciaton but I would use all my  available merit doing so in few days :O

Why can't you show your appreciation by making a responsive comment to the supposedly "deserving" post?  Why do you need smerits in order to show such alleged appreciation?

I consider such comments as a quite spam - I'd prefer to write substantive posts.

O.k.  You seem to be backend dooring into an argument that suggests that the "best" way to show appreciation for a post is by giving it a merit.  As if you are considering the merit system to allow for the "liking" of posts, but your perspective about the merit system seems to be quite off, and I suspect that you are playing such ignorance on purpose.. and just playing dumb in some attempt to suggest that everyone should be able to have merits to spend on a regular basis, and in other words, merits should be regenerative in some kind of way.

You are neither working with the system that is in place NOR recognizing the reason why the merit system was created in the first place - which has been repeated thousands of times in this thread, already - which is to lessen the prevalence of spam and farming of forum accounts.

O.k  I will admit, that there are ways to write responses that are merely saying that you like a post, but even well substantiated posts can still be commented upon and value added through a more interactive process, beyond just a simple response that you "like" the post.  So, yes, it is true that if you are in the habit of writing very short responses (such as one or two words, or just simple sentence responses), then your posts might be considered spam (or spam-like). 

In other words, what I am suggesting to show appreciation through substantive responsive posts, and you seem to be in agreement that you could be able to do that and that you may even prefer such.    Go out there and interact.   
 

It could be created a tool to mark posts with high merit..

Yes.. This already exists, but only some members are merit sources and other members have to earn their smerits in order to be able to spend their smerits in that kind of way... The supposed problem that you are creating in order to justify providing more smerits for everyone is not either the reason behind the merit system nor does it go towards addressing the spam and farming accounts issues that have already been described as the rationale for the current wayt that the forum merit system is designed.

And secondly - that could be a list with the best merited post and users with highest merit

That can already be done under the current system.  Seems to me that you are not really suggesting anything that goes towards addressing any current forum issue.

[eosDigger]

As you know to communicate on the forum, we do not need  Merits, to participate in the bounty, too. Why, then, is everyone fixated on them..? Even software was developed to track this darkness.

[cryptovigi]

As you know to communicate on the forum, we do not need  Merits, to participate in the bounty, too. Why, then, is everyone fixated on them..? Even software was developed to track this darkness.

You would probably change your mind if you get one or better a few...
Some people find this merit thing like a challenge and getting it proves them that the content they create is important/useful/meaningful. That's why we have different ranks on this forum, senior member also looks much better than Newbie – even if Newbie has much more knowledge... There is one more very very important thing - if you gather enough merits you will be able to wear funny hat like me ;-)

[adamvp]

Once again.

Few merits / user = user will save merit for "the best posts" - but it could lead to not spend smerit at all...
Too much merit = spambots strikes again..
I just think that smertis should be better balanced or it won't be used

[AlecMe]

As you know to communicate on the forum, we do not need  Merits, to participate in the bounty, too. Why, then, is everyone fixated on them..? Even software was developed to track this darkness.

But why not? it's like a reward system for posting valuable content not just content.

But that is just my opinion   .

Also, give me some merit 

[Upgrade00]

Also, give me some merit  

With your one line replies it's very unlikely anyone would be giving you any merits any time soon
You wrote it yourself,

It's like a reward system for posting valuable content not just content.

If you want to get merited you would have to give valuable and quality content that would be helpful to other members.
Effort is key. Merits are relatively easy to get as long as you can put in the effort into joining conversations and genuinely want to make the forum a better place.
One step at a time.

[JayJuanGee]

Once again.

Few merits / user = user will save merit for "the best posts" - but it could lead to not spend smerit at all...
Too much merit = spambots strikes again..
I just think that smertis should be better balanced or it won't be used

Once again.  

You do not seem to be saying much of anything nor making any meaningful criticism of the already existing merit system nor suggesting specific ways in which such supposed deficiencies could be remedied - beyond merely blanketly asserting that the current merit system is not sufficiently "balanced" from your perspective..  

Seems that if you were to want to convince anyone (beyond yourself) about your seemingly conclusory stance about the merit system, then you have the burden to show both factual evidence and logic rather than merely stating your seemingly subjective conclusion(s).

Another perspective could well be that the current merit balance has already been achieved, at least based on what information is currently available.  

Namely on about January 24, 2018, theymos communicated and activated our current merit system.  Subsequently, theymos has been tweaking such smerit implementation in accordance with monitoring how the system is playing out, suggestions that he becomes aware of and any other reasonable (or perhaps unreasonable) basis that he believes to be pertinent to consider.

[JayJuanGee]

Also, give me some merit  

With your one line replies it's very unlikely anyone would be giving you any merits any time soon
You wrote it yourself,

It's like a reward system for posting valuable content not just content.

If you want to get merited you would have to give valuable and quality content that would be helpful to other members.
Effort is key. Merits are relatively easy to get as long as you can put in the effort into joining conversations and genuinely want to make the forum a better place.
One step at a time.

Actually, you don't even really need to post anything that good in order to obtain some merit, so long as at least one member appreciates each of your posts enough to send you smerit, and each of those members sufficiently appreciates your post to spend one or more of his/her smerits. 

However, if there is a pattern of a newbie member providing absolutely shitty posts, then it becomes less and less likely that anyone is going to want to send that newbie any of their smerit because there is a bit of an exhaustion (or at least less tolerance for shitty posts, which attempting to lessen such shitty posts is part of the rationale that this merit system was implemented and lives on).

[Kelvinovie2]

Am still trying to figure out this merit, it's requirement and it's source also, However i still believe one knows if he/she is a merit source? As far as i understand, everyone who currently has merit, is able to give out a part of his merit in the form of sMerit. for example if you have 94sMerit, does this makes you a "source"

Or do sources have unlimited amounts of sMerit to give out, as opposed to 'anyone having higher or lower amount?

[DdmrDdmr]

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There are 119 Merit Sources that can generate up to 22045 sMerits every 30 days. These 119 Merit Sources obviously know they are Merit Sources, and were appointed to the task at some point by @theymos (be it because they volunteer for the task as reputable members, or thet @theymos thought they would deem fit). Each Merit Source has a different monthly allowance, some small (i.e. 50 sMerits per month), some large (i.e. 1000  sMerits per month). The allowance is decided by @theymos as per his criteria, and is refilled every 30 days (it’s a bit more complex really, but let’s not get into the details now).

The above are called Merit Sources, since they generate sMerit "out of thin air" every month. In addition, regular people (and Merit Sources themselves on top of the above) may have sMerit to award in their account if:

-   They had it airdropped on the 24th of January 2018, when the Merit System kicked off.
-   For every 2 (non-airdropped) Merits they have received, they have 1 sMerit to send.

Regular people with available sMerit are not called Merit Sources.

Now if you see a profile with say 100 Merits, that does not mean he has any sMerits available to give out, not that he ever had any. It depends on how and when he got those 100 Merits in the first place. You cannot see how much sMerit a user has available, although you can infer it to some extent.

For further details see: re: Who can award merits?.

[TheBeardedBaby]

Am still trying to figure out this merit, it's requirement and it's source also, However i still believe one knows if he/she is a merit source? As far as i understand, everyone who currently has merit, is able to give out a part of his merit in the form of sMerit. for example if you have 94sMerit, does this makes you a "source"

Or do sources have unlimited amounts of sMerit to give out, as opposed to 'anyone having higher or lower amount?

Not everyone with airdropped Merit have sMerit, only those who have been active the past year.
Merit sources get additional sMerit amount which replenish 30 days after it's been used.
Merit Sources are aware of their status.

Merit is required only for to rank up, no additional benefits. The side effect is that the more merit you earn the better reputation you have here.

[Speculatoross]

Am still trying to figure out this merit, it's requirement and it's source also, However i still believe one knows if he/she is a merit source? As far as i understand, everyone who currently has merit, is able to give out a part of his merit in the form of sMerit. for example if you have 94sMerit, does this makes you a "source"

Or do sources have unlimited amounts of sMerit to give out, as opposed to 'anyone having higher or lower amount?

Was going to say something like:
yes you know if you are a merit source, and sources don’t have unlimited amount of smerit, but a given quantity that is charged each month. All other members get 1smerit to give away each 2merit earned.


But I’m going to say also:
This 3d should definetely be locked so instead of 300 more pages of the same questions and answers, people will be forced to read it.
It’s a good english comprehension exercise indeed.
Answer to this question is few comments before your. And in the op. And in every page of the 3d.

[Direwolve735]

As far as i understand, everyone who currently has merit, is able to give out a part of his merit in the form of sMerit. for example if you have 94sMerit, does this makes you a "source"

sMerit is not part of your own merit. This is a separate indicator that appears after you have received merits (in the ratio 2:1). That is, if you were given 2 merits, you`ll automatically generate 1 sMerit, which you can send to another user for quality content. The fact that you give someone a merit doesn`t take away your existing merits. These are two different indicators that relate to each other only quantitatively.

Merit-sources know that they merit-sources. They are assigned by the administrator. Their sMerit are replenished in the number regardless of the number of their own merit, which they received. Therefore, if you have 94 sMerit, this doesn`t mean at all that you`re the merit-source. This situation may be in case you received 188 merit (188\2 = 94)

[JayJuanGee]

As far as i understand, everyone who currently has merit, is able to give out a part of his merit in the form of sMerit. for example if you have 94sMerit, does this makes you a "source"

Merit-sources know that they merit-sources. They are assigned by the administrator. Their sMerit are replenished in the number regardless of the number of their own merit, which they received. Therefore, if you have 94 sMerit, this doesn`t mean at all that you`re the merit-source. This situation may be in case you received 188 merit (188\2 = 94)

The below message has been posted previously, but I suppose that it might not hurt to repeat it, especially when some peeps don't read (or want to read) this thread, as Speculatoross mentioned.

When a merit source prepares to send an smerit a quote, something like the below one is at the top of the source's page:

>>>>>>>>>You have received a total of xxxx merit. This is what determines your forum rank. You typically cannot lose this merit. You have xxxx sendable merit (sMerit) which you can send to other people. There is no point in hoarding sMerit; keeping it yourself does not benefit you, and we reserve the right to decay unused sMerit in the future.

You are a merit source. The next xxx merit you spend will come from your source rather than your sMerit balance. Merit spent from your source will come back in 30 days. Unused source merit is wasted. It is not allowed for merit sources to sell their merit.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

[TheBeardedBaby]

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This 3d should definetely be locked so instead of 300 more pages of the same questions and answers, people will be forced to read it.
It’s a good english comprehension exercise indeed.
Answer to this question is few comments before your. And in the op. And in every page of the 3d.

They don't want to read the rules after they got banned, and you suggest to you lock the thread and force them to read it. HOW???  No chance, it's just causa perduta.

[adamvp]

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I wanted to bring some friend to cryptocurrency world using oportunity of participation in bounty campaigns as encouragement

I understand spam problem - I am strong spam enemy, but this solution are stoping influx of new cryptocurrency community members..

[S_Therapist]

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I wanted to bring some friend to cryptocurrency world using oportunity of participation in bounty campaigns as encouragement

No man. You are encouraging them to just only earn some cash. This has nothing to do with cryptocurrency. You can invite them here for learning about cryptocurrency. This forum has been built for that purpose, firstly. So, the first usage of this forum should be gather information about cryptocurrency. Over the span of time, it has turned into a forum where 95% of the people only visit for earning money and you are trying to increase the number.
You know what today I have visited "The Bitcoin Cafe" in my country. For your info, in my country, any kinda transaction of cryptocurrency is illegal. Anyway, I thought it accepts bitcoin and that was my only vision to visit the place. Just I wanted to spend some time over there just because it accepts bitcoin (I thought, although it doesn't).  I could have some drinks from any other cafe while I went there just for having a visit of my country's first cryptocyrrency based cafe. So, my original purpose was to visit the place, not to have some drinks there.
The same should be for everyone in the case of this forum. People should join here for learning, not to make some cash.

[Apri222]

as a beginner, I totally agree with the merit system, reflecting on myself, I know more about the rules or things that need to be done

[Yeahpro]

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I wanted to bring some friend to cryptocurrency world using oportunity of participation in bounty campaigns as encouragement

People are highly motivated by their personal gain and would react eagerly to the promise of earning a couple of $$ on the forum by posting.
And some could hardly see knowledge acquired as gain, although it is  more important and would out you in a better position to earn more through more opportunities.

Find a way to draw a common objective between earning and learning for your friend.
The new rank requirements actually ensures new users earn at least one merit to be able to wear signatures and join bounties.
I doubt your friend would want to pay for copper membership when s/he is expecting to be paid.
Set the priorities.