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November 10, 2018, 07:52:02 PM
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On the last complete week (29/10/2018..04/11/2018), the sMerit distribution was of 3.321. That represents a noticeable drop in weekly sMerit distribution, being 24,28% down from the previous week. It’s the second all-time weekly low (the lowest was 3.186 sMerits the week of the 27th of August). I hope we’re not on the verge of another worrying descending trend …



Note: Ignore the data for the current Week (05/11/2018 .. 11/11/2018), since it corresponds to a partial week (data only aggregates four days and a few hours of Friday).



I think what happened around September 15, theymos both added new merit sources and he tweaked the quantity of the smerits of already existing sources at the same time, which caused a resetting of the smerits of the already existing merit sources (and therefore a kind of lump sum of smerits got airdropped into the smerit accounts of sources). 

Likely the merit sources front spent their smerits, and therefore ran out of smerits just prior to the 15th of the subsequent month (which would have been October 15) and therefore this month as well running out of smerits prior to November 15. 

It could take a few months to flatten out the smerit replenishment, unless theymos throws everyone monitoriing the system for a loop and tweaks smerits again... hahahahahaha.

Of course, we have to deal with ESG, KYC & AML, but each of them are attack vectors on Bitcoin to be avoided or minimized.

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November 10, 2018, 08:24:01 PM
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November 10, 2018, 09:53:04 PM
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I would give more merit out if I had more merit.
I think admins should consider increasing sendable merit  amount.
I see many post deserves for  my appreciaton but I would use all my  available merit doing so in few days :O

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November 10, 2018, 11:12:47 PM
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I would give more merit out if I had more merit.
I think admins should consider increasing sendable merit  amount.

Admin already decided what they were going to do, and of course, members would send out more smerits if they were to have them, but that is the point.  Smerits start with sources, with the initial distribution on 1/24 and half of an smerit for any merit that you receive from another member.  In other words, you are not really saying much of anything with your suggestion that members should get more smerits.  Your point does not address any issue, and seems to be the opposite of what the merit implementation attempts to achieve.


I see many post deserves for  my appreciaton but I would use all my  available merit doing so in few days :O

Why can't you show your appreciation by making a responsive comment to the supposedly "deserving" post?  Why do you need smerits in order to show such alleged appreciation?

Of course, we have to deal with ESG, KYC & AML, but each of them are attack vectors on Bitcoin to be avoided or minimized.

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November 11, 2018, 01:16:00 AM
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Am I understand correct that for Legendary I need 1000 merit points, so I need to gain 500merit? :O
yes you have 500 merit now you need 500 merit if you  went  up your position to Legendary.

It should have been known beforehand. Because you are a hero member. It is not okay to post such a fool.
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November 11, 2018, 02:25:07 PM
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I would give more merit out if I had more merit.
I think admins should consider increasing sendable merit  amount.
I see many post deserves for  my appreciaton but I would use all my  available merit doing so in few days :O

Many would like this as option but think that you need to be merit sources if I read many treads about merit, maybe im wrong or misunderstood this, if so please correct me.
But if i understood everything only sources have unlimited merit to send to anyone.
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November 11, 2018, 03:07:43 PM
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But if i understood everything only sources have unlimited merit to send to anyone.
Merit sources don't get unlimited sMerits. It's limited and varies from source to source. AFAIK, merit sources are meant to be gotten sMerits based on their sent merit. For example, if merit source sent 10 sMerits today, s/he will be refilled the exact amount in next month's same date.
Here is the stats:
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There are 119 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 22045 sMerit per 30 days.

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November 11, 2018, 03:26:54 PM
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I posted a description of the Bitcoin Talk merit system on my Jet Cash blog. It describes the different types of merit, and how they are created and awarded. You can read it here -
https://talkmerit.com/the-source/index.php/articles/the-bitcoin-talk-merit-system

I probably should revive that blog, as it's quite a while since I posted there. The merit awarding seems to have changed slightly since my last posts.

I disabled Fit to Talk registrations because of applications by non-member spammers. Click here to send me a PM if you would like to join.
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November 11, 2018, 04:29:41 PM
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I see many post deserves for  my appreciaton but I would use all my  available merit doing so in few days :O

Why can't you show your appreciation by making a responsive comment to the supposedly "deserving" post?  Why do you need smerits in order to show such alleged appreciation?
I consider such comments as a quite spam - I'd prefer to write substantive posts.
It could be created a tool to mark posts with high merit..
And secondly - that could be a list with the best merited post and users with highest merit

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November 11, 2018, 04:39:21 PM
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It could be created a tool to mark posts with high merit..
And secondly - that could be a list with the best merited post and users with highest merit
Perhaps you missed the point showed in OP.
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There are stats here,

Also, you can find a lot of thread in meta where different kinda parameters.
I want to quote one of my post here-
This list counts merit on only OP.
Top-merited replies, all-time

Top merited topic of all time- Most merited topics (SUM of OP + posts) (Fixed!)

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November 12, 2018, 03:37:07 AM
Last edit: November 12, 2018, 09:05:09 AM by tranthidung
Merited by suchmoon (4)
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Weekly update on merit distributions since the 5th of March.
As always, my statistics on percentage changes of merit distribution are different from @coinlocket$'s ones.
The difference mainly due to my comparison made to compare a specific figure of total merits distribute at specific week to previous median (not as of previous merits distributed as @coinlocket$ approach).

The current median has not changed too much since latest one, insignificant fall from 4405 to 4390, despite of the dramatic drop of total merit distributed last week.


Last week (start from 29/10/2018 to 04/11/2018), the total weekly distributed merits fell nearly 24.6% than median of previous period (from 05/03/2018 to 28/10/2018).
3302 and 4405 are the last week totally distributed merits and median of previous period, respectively, which have been used for the comparison in my analysis.


One more thing, 3302 is a low total weekly distributed merits, but the figure has still not been a potential outliers, which should be somewhere around 2.5k.
The figure has been outside the interquartile range, which ranges from 3903 to 4820.
The lower potential outliers calculate via the following formula:
Potential lower outliers =  Q1 - 1.5*IQR = 3903 - 1.5*(4820- 3903) = 2528.

It means that we might have something very interesting to make a deeply analysis if the total merit distributed per week drops to around 2.5k at any specific week.


Additionally, by now, we have seen only one week that has a spike over the higher potential outlier. The mentioned week, when new required merit aims at Junior member rank and demotion implementation, has 9684 merits distributed in total.
The formula to calculate higher potential outliers is: Q3 + 1.5*IQR = 4820 +1.5*917 = 6196.

In a nutshell, weeks that have total distributed merits above 6.2k or below 2.5k should be taken into consideration because they are highly potential outliers. It is probably that the sorts of outlier-weeks occur due to significant changes in the forum rules/ systems, etc.
Of course, the exact value of outlier thresholds, both above and below, will change over time, but it will be somewhere around those points (2.5k and 6.2k).

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- IQR = Q3 - Q1
- Q1: the 25th quartile
- Q3: the 75th quartile.

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November 12, 2018, 05:20:25 AM
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I see many post deserves for  my appreciaton but I would use all my  available merit doing so in few days :O

Why can't you show your appreciation by making a responsive comment to the supposedly "deserving" post?  Why do you need smerits in order to show such alleged appreciation?
I consider such comments as a quite spam - I'd prefer to write substantive posts.

O.k.  You seem to be backend dooring into an argument that suggests that the "best" way to show appreciation for a post is by giving it a merit.  As if you are considering the merit system to allow for the "liking" of posts, but your perspective about the merit system seems to be quite off, and I suspect that you are playing such ignorance on purpose.. and just playing dumb in some attempt to suggest that everyone should be able to have merits to spend on a regular basis, and in other words, merits should be regenerative in some kind of way.

You are neither working with the system that is in place NOR recognizing the reason why the merit system was created in the first place - which has been repeated thousands of times in this thread, already - which is to lessen the prevalence of spam and farming of forum accounts.

O.k  I will admit, that there are ways to write responses that are merely saying that you like a post, but even well substantiated posts can still be commented upon and value added through a more interactive process, beyond just a simple response that you "like" the post.  So, yes, it is true that if you are in the habit of writing very short responses (such as one or two words, or just simple sentence responses), then your posts might be considered spam (or spam-like). 

In other words, what I am suggesting to show appreciation through substantive responsive posts, and you seem to be in agreement that you could be able to do that and that you may even prefer such.    Go out there and interact.    Wink Wink
 

It could be created a tool to mark posts with high merit..

Yes.. This already exists, but only some members are merit sources and other members have to earn their smerits in order to be able to spend their smerits in that kind of way... The supposed problem that you are creating in order to justify providing more smerits for everyone is not either the reason behind the merit system nor does it go towards addressing the spam and farming accounts issues that have already been described as the rationale for the current wayt that the forum merit system is designed.

And secondly - that could be a list with the best merited post and users with highest merit

That can already be done under the current system.  Seems to me that you are not really suggesting anything that goes towards addressing any current forum issue.

Of course, we have to deal with ESG, KYC & AML, but each of them are attack vectors on Bitcoin to be avoided or minimized.

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November 12, 2018, 05:29:47 PM
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As you know to communicate on the forum, we do not need  Merits, to participate in the bounty, too. Why, then, is everyone fixated on them..? Even software was developed to track this darkness.
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As you know to communicate on the forum, we do not need  Merits, to participate in the bounty, too. Why, then, is everyone fixated on them..? Even software was developed to track this darkness.


You would probably change your mind if you get one or better a few...
Some people find this merit thing like a challenge and getting it proves them that the content they create is important/useful/meaningful. That's why we have different ranks on this forum, senior member also looks much better than Newbie – even if Newbie has much more knowledge... There is one more very very important thing - if you gather enough merits you will be able to wear funny hat like me ;-)





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November 12, 2018, 07:58:15 PM
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Once again.

Few merits / user = user will save merit for "the best posts" - but it could lead to not spend smerit at all...
Too much merit = spambots strikes again..
I just think that smertis should be better balanced or it won't be used

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November 12, 2018, 08:56:15 PM
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As you know to communicate on the forum, we do not need  Merits, to participate in the bounty, too. Why, then, is everyone fixated on them..? Even software was developed to track this darkness.

But why not? it's like a reward system for posting valuable content not just content.

But that is just my opinion   Grin.

Also, give me some merit  Kiss
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November 12, 2018, 09:12:40 PM
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Also, give me some merit  Kiss

With your one line replies it's very unlikely anyone would be giving you any merits any time soon
You wrote it yourself,
It's like a reward system for posting valuable content not just content.


If you want to get merited you would have to give valuable and quality content that would be helpful to other members.
Effort is key. Merits are relatively easy to get as long as you can put in the effort into joining conversations and genuinely want to make the forum a better place.
One step at a time.

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November 13, 2018, 12:34:54 AM
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Once again.

Few merits / user = user will save merit for "the best posts" - but it could lead to not spend smerit at all...
Too much merit = spambots strikes again..
I just think that smertis should be better balanced or it won't be used

Once again.  

You do not seem to be saying much of anything nor making any meaningful criticism of the already existing merit system nor suggesting specific ways in which such supposed deficiencies could be remedied - beyond merely blanketly asserting that the current merit system is not sufficiently "balanced" from your perspective..  

Seems that if you were to want to convince anyone (beyond yourself) about your seemingly conclusory stance about the merit system, then you have the burden to show both factual evidence and logic rather than merely stating your seemingly subjective conclusion(s).

Another perspective could well be that the current merit balance has already been achieved, at least based on what information is currently available.  

Namely on about January 24, 2018, theymos communicated and activated our current merit system.  Subsequently, theymos has been tweaking such smerit implementation in accordance with monitoring how the system is playing out, suggestions that he becomes aware of and any other reasonable (or perhaps unreasonable) basis that he believes to be pertinent to consider.

Of course, we have to deal with ESG, KYC & AML, but each of them are attack vectors on Bitcoin to be avoided or minimized.

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November 13, 2018, 12:50:59 AM
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Also, give me some merit  Kiss

With your one line replies it's very unlikely anyone would be giving you any merits any time soon
You wrote it yourself,
It's like a reward system for posting valuable content not just content.


If you want to get merited you would have to give valuable and quality content that would be helpful to other members.
Effort is key. Merits are relatively easy to get as long as you can put in the effort into joining conversations and genuinely want to make the forum a better place.
One step at a time.

Actually, you don't even really need to post anything that good in order to obtain some merit, so long as at least one member appreciates each of your posts enough to send you smerit, and each of those members sufficiently appreciates your post to spend one or more of his/her smerits. 

However, if there is a pattern of a newbie member providing absolutely shitty posts, then it becomes less and less likely that anyone is going to want to send that newbie any of their smerit because there is a bit of an exhaustion (or at least less tolerance for shitty posts, which attempting to lessen such shitty posts is part of the rationale that this merit system was implemented and lives on).

Of course, we have to deal with ESG, KYC & AML, but each of them are attack vectors on Bitcoin to be avoided or minimized.

Put BTC here: 35EVP8EePt8dyvKHaB7bXaRmKLm22YgRCA

How much alt coin diversification is necessary? if you are investing in Bitcoin, then perhaps 0%?
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November 13, 2018, 07:20:42 AM
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Am still trying to figure out this merit, it's requirement and it's source also, However i still believe one knows if he/she is a merit source? As far as i understand, everyone who currently has merit, is able to give out a part of his merit in the form of sMerit. for example if you have 94sMerit, does this makes you a "source"

Or do sources have unlimited amounts of sMerit to give out, as opposed to 'anyone having higher or lower amount?
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