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October 27, 2018, 10:06:35 AM
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After the new monthly merit source's refill, we had an 11% spike while 1 month ago we had a 170% spike, this means a lot of those 9600+ (maybe 3k+) merits were awarded from abusers/sellers !?!
That was to be expected. If you randomly check some of the Jr. Members that were ranked down to Newbie by the new rule, and received Merit again in the first week, you'll find that many posts aren't worth it. I've seen a few high-ranking accounts (usually with red trust already) who sent 1 Merit to 50 or more Newbies to give their army of spammers a signature again.

In the long run, these numbers shouldn't matter much. Merit turned an unlimited problem into a manageable problem.

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October 27, 2018, 10:34:59 AM
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It also denotes that most of the newly added Merit Sources may have a modest allowance, meaning that they serve their purpose to reach areas which were likely rather small in terms of sMerit TXs, but on the whole they do not add to a noticeable amount to boost the weekly flow out of the 4-4,5K area. They may gain some traction over time, but that is yet to be seen.

In addition, a large Merit Sources seems to have dropped out (and he/she looked like a 1K monthly Merit Source), so that could create a small dent.

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October 27, 2018, 12:20:38 PM
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In addition, a large Merit Sources seems to have dropped out (and he/she looked like a 1K monthly Merit Source), so that could create a small dent.

The dropped out merit source is QuestionAuthority and he is the number 2 in the list of meriter user rankings with 3225 awarded merits. So that could be the small dent that you highlighted

Apologies to all concerned, I will no longer be handing out merit in this thread. Theymos removed me as a merit source because he disagreed with the way I spent my merit.
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October 27, 2018, 11:44:20 PM
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The dropped out merit source is QuestionAuthority and he is the number 2 in the list of meriter user rankings with 3225 awarded

3225 in around 8*4=32 is equal at around 100 sMerits weekly.
This is not a very big number on the paragon with the past weekly sMerit and the 1 "month ago week merit".

In addition, a large Merit Sources seems to have dropped out (and he/she looked like a 1K monthly Merit Source), so that could create a small dent.

Was way lower than 1k/month as the previous quote he spent an average of 400/month 100/week.

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October 28, 2018, 04:53:52 AM
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with this method this forum will not last long. It is not the principle for which cryptocurrencies were created. demonstrating this is enough to see the statistics on google
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October 28, 2018, 05:21:06 AM
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with this method this forum will not last long.
The sentence is not completed. Here is the full version.
"with this method this forum will not last long for bounty hunters."
It will be foolish to compare between cryptocurrency and a forum. Why do people join this forum? For having a discussion about bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies? OR, for having a passive income. With the merit system, bounty hunters will not be able to rank up anymore because they don't know how to contribute in a forum. On the other hand, people with real interest in this forum will definitely gain knowledge as well as share too.

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October 28, 2018, 06:32:21 AM
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with this method this forum will not last long. It is not the principle for which cryptocurrencies were created. demonstrating this is enough to see the statistics on google

What method? The merit system? You might not last long here but if requiring merit is going to scare people away who can't get it then good. The merit system stops nobody from posting here and you can do so with or without merit. It's just if you want to rise through the ranks you're going to have to start contributing something of worth.

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In addition, a large Merit Sources seems to have dropped out (and he/she looked like a 1K monthly Merit Source), so that could create a small dent.

The dropped out merit source is QuestionAuthority and he is the number 2 in the list of meriter user rankings with 3225 awarded merits. So that could be the small dent that you highlighted

Apologies to all concerned, I will no longer be handing out merit in this thread. Theymos removed me as a merit source because he disagreed with the way I spent my merit.

I have no idea why he was throwing it around like candy on Halloween. He was just giving it to anyone who asked and often in batches of 30. Utterly defeats the purpose of the system. All the following posts were given 30 points by QuestionAuthority:

Oh, I am going to do one thing before I sign off for now. Since most people are off work/school today because it’s the weekend, and there should be more people on line than during the week and I have too much merit laying around, the next 5 people to respond to this thread get 30 merit.

could really handle some merit!

Oh, I am going to do one thing before I sign off for now. Since most people are off work/school today because it’s the weekend, and there should be more people on line than during the week and I have too much merit laying around, the next 5 people to respond to this thread get 30 merit.

I'm here! Cheesy
Oh, I am going to do one thing before I sign off for now. Since most people are off work/school today because it’s the weekend, and there should be more people on line than during the week and I have too much merit laying around, the next 5 people to respond to this thread get 30 merit.

 Oh yeah I'm a merit slut Wink


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30 merit left

See what I mean! If I had done this 4 years ago any day of the week this thread would already be at 10 pages after my post.

30 merit left? Cheesy

Late for the merit party. Pity. Could use a few  Grin


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October 28, 2018, 06:40:05 AM
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With the merit system, bounty hunters will not be able to rank up anymore because they don't know how to contribute in a forum. On the other hand, people with real interest in this forum will definitely gain knowledge as well as share too.

Your idea that bounty hunters would not be able to rank up is wrong, checking the stats you'd see that a lot of members have gotten at least one merit since the updated rules were implemented, and that's what it was made to do, spur users into contributing while earning, there's no problem at all with trying to earn, through what you ironically refer to as passive income.
It's also put in place to discourage account farming which was the real problem.
Admittedly, all spammers were hunters looking for ways to earn, but not all hunters are spammers.

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October 28, 2018, 06:46:37 AM
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~snip~
I don't know too much about the forum. I'm still trying to know the current situation since I am newly registered. Whatever I have learned till now from all the spambusters thread is-
"Anyone here with only intention of hunting bounty is spammers."
If someone joined here only for participating in bounty, s/he will definitely be a spammer. Anyway, my experience is limited. I still have lots of things to know.

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October 28, 2018, 10:16:37 AM
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Hello, where can I find a Russian branch?

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October 28, 2018, 10:32:42 AM
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I think he meant the topic in the language translation in Russian locale. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818398.0

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October 28, 2018, 02:09:48 PM
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People can pick holes in the merit system all day long, and mostly if it goes against you.
But no one has proffered a better option.
Merits since it was created has greatly increased the quality of the forum, of course some users were airdropped merits for being early on the forum, but it reflects the level of contribution of the user.

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October 28, 2018, 04:52:52 PM
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Ok. I' m here! But the formula must be mixed...

Let me know how exactly. It`s very easy to talk about the shortcomings of the system and criticize the existing rules, but I don’t see that you offer at least some alternative (not to mention inventing anything better). Before looking for flaws, try to comply with the requirements of the bitcointalk forum and get at least 1 merit. Perhaps, the problem is not in the merit-system, but in your inability to become the full-fledged participant?
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October 28, 2018, 07:45:25 PM
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1)No good because It' s not equal for all. Who is " Legendary" or " Superman" or " Full Member" have this rank 'cause the old rules. Let's start all from newbie, this is equal for all.
2) All must vote for increase the rank but of the same category. ( newbie vote newbie etc)
3) the rank must be on a scale of 100
4)the rank change one day a month.
5)you can go up and down  (not just up)
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1)No good because It' s not equal for all. Who is " Legendary" or " Superman" or " Full Member" have this rank 'cause the old rules. Let's start all from newbie, this is equal for all.
2) All must vote for increase the rank but of the same category. ( newbie vote newbie etc)
3) the rank must be on a scale of 100
4)the rank change one day a month.
5)you can go up and down  (not just up)


You then suggest to restart Bitcoin. Not everyone managed to buy cheaper, let's start again, right?
Don't write nonsense, just build a time machine.

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October 28, 2018, 10:47:57 PM
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1)No good because It' s not equal for all. Who is " Legendary" or " Superman" or " Full Member" have this rank 'cause the old rules. Let's start all from newbie, this is equal for all.
2) All must vote for increase the rank but of the same category. ( newbie vote newbie etc)
3) the rank must be on a scale of 100
4)the rank change one day a month.
5)you can go up and down  (not just up)


You then suggest to restart Bitcoin. Not everyone managed to buy cheaper, let's start again, right?
Don't write nonsense, just build a time machine.

Absolutely right, those people who find this new rank system a burden are the ones who are not yet knowledgeable about Bitcoin and cryptos in general. Because of their lack of understanding they find the new rank system hard as most of them were previously getting higher ranks without putting any good efforts..

Those people who are not satisfied with the new rank system should try their best to enlighten themselves with the knowledge of Bitcoin and other cryptos, so that they can be one of those who can contribute his/her share of knowledge with us via creating informative posts. And without any doubt they will get what they deserve.
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October 29, 2018, 06:04:01 AM
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look case they answered two full rank. your ranking system is not reliable. The escrow of the high rank is not sure and the forum is full of scammers.
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October 29, 2018, 07:16:26 AM
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People can pick holes in the merit system all day long, and mostly if it goes against you.
But no one has proffered a better option.
Merits since it was created has greatly increased the quality of the forum, of course some users were airdropped merits for being early on the forum, but it reflects the level of contribution of the user.

I doubt that the question is whether some "better options" have been proffered because ultimately there are many reasonable ways that merit (or something else could be administered).  The owner retains discretion over systems, and surely has discretion about he extent to which he considers suggestions to be meaningful and practical to implement to either tweak or transform that the system that is already present. 

Of course, we have to deal with ESG, KYC & AML, but each of them are attack vectors on Bitcoin to be avoided or minimized.

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of course some users were airdropped merits for being early on the forum, but it reflects the level of contribution of the user.
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Honestly it reflects rather not the level of contribution but previous level of activity on the forum...
As I showed some time ago many of them doesn't look like real contributors until they have not earned even one single merit for the 8,5 month:

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1 merit

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Member27 9184 744 (17%)23 174  (83%)
Full Member18 1813 173 (17,45%)15 008  (82,55%)
Sr. Member9 0161 818 (20,16%)7 198  (79,84%)
Hero Member4 1431 105 (26,67%)3 038  (73,33%)
Legendary2 1451 133 (52,82%)1 012  (47,18%)

It looks like there are really plenty of high ranked users who hasn't earn even one merit yet. Probably some of them are "dead souls" - users who aren't active for many month or even years, but for sure there are as well a lot of "ranked" users who simply didn't deserved any merit yet. This number decreases (percentage) with the increase of rhe rank, but its level in all groups (maybe exept Legendary) remains high.
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Unfortunately there were no better solution - not giving them any merit and downgrading all of them to the Newbie level wouldn't be fair to thousands of users who were a real contributors but with tens of thousands of users an millions of posts there were no possibility to check a real contribution for each single member - checking each user's posts from several years to would be a job for a few hundreds mods for year or more...
 

1)No good because It' s not equal for all. Who is " Legendary" or " Superman" or " Full Member" have this rank 'cause the old rules. Let's start all from newbie, this is equal for all.

You forget that this forum history is more than 2018 - what about people who work hard for all those previous years they really deserves their rank... as I mentioned before it is physically impossible to check the whole period from the beginning to January 2018 and calculate the right amount of merit each "Old user" deserved.....

There are already users who made "Full Member" or "Sr. Member" rank by their selves - check this thread: "Self Made" high ranked users based on earned merit

2) All must vote for increase the rank but of the same category. ( newbie vote newbie etc)

And you could  create 10.000 of Newbie accounts and vote for yourself to get a few hundreds of Jr. Member accounts than once again for Members and so on....

5)you can go up and down  (not just up)

And with your army of alts you would cut out all competition and take over the forum  Grin Nice plan!


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October 29, 2018, 10:06:01 AM
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jqprez, first of all, you need to improve your English. It`s very difficult to read and understand what you meant. Secondly, if you want to suggest any changes, then you should pay attention to their feasibility. What you say is not possible to implement.

1)No good because It' s not equal for all. Who is " Legendary" or " Superman" or " Full Member" have this rank 'cause the old rules. Let's start all from newbie, this is equal for all.

Equality doesn`t exist in nature. It's time to admit it. People are initially in different conditions and they have different abilities. To equalize everyone means to stop the development. Even if artificially put all the forum participants in an "equal" position, this situation won`t last long. Conversant members who write quality posts will break out ahead of spammers and shitposters, no matter how the rank system changes. In addition, a large number of participants have increased their rank under the "new rules", which proves the viability of the merit system.

2) All must vote for increase the rank but of the same category. ( newbie vote newbie etc)

It`s impossible to implement this. This assumption cannot be technically provided. And even if it were possible, I don`t see the point. Such a system would stimulate the growth of corruption on the forum. Yes, the merit-system isn`t perfect, but it has proven its efficiency. Over time, its shortcomings will be corrected, and its advantages will increase.

You criticize the system only from your side, as you`re at the lowest level for now. It`s impossible to return all the heroes and legendary to one position with you, since it`s unfair to them. Even if it was conceivable, they`d soon return to their high status, cause they deserved it by efforts, and not only because they registered earlier than you.
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