[ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]

[Stuartuk]

I think what you are missing is that 'performance' is not hash-rate exclusive. Power-draw is central to 'performance' when it represents a significant outlay.

But if the chip already has the ability to hash more efficiently then why not let it do so from the beginning, why set it to do so as a function of difficulty?

Simply optimizing it's life-time output?

Maybe it is not power-draw related. I'm not entirely comfortable discussing it if it's one of our key advantages. Like zumzero said we could be compromising our technology here.

[zumzero]

Could the software be used to get more performance from other brands hardware as well?

[Bargraphics]

I think what you are missing is that 'performance' is not hash-rate exclusive. Power-draw is central to 'performance' when it represents a significant outlay.

But if the chip already has the ability to hash more efficiently then why not let it do so from the beginning, why set it to do so as a function of difficulty?

Simply optimizing it's life-time output?

Maybe it is not power-draw related. I'm not entirely comfortable discussing it if it's one of our key advantages. Like zumzero said we could be compromising our technology here.

LOL

This thread is too much. Clowns, clowns everywhere.

[VolanicEruptor]

I think what you are missing is that 'performance' is not hash-rate exclusive. Power-draw is central to 'performance' when it represents a significant outlay.

But if the chip already has the ability to hash more efficiently then why not let it do so from the beginning, why set it to do so as a function of difficulty?

Simply optimizing it's life-time output?

People are still running their old rigs, they don't seem to have a problem breaking down.

[Vigil]

Could the software be used to get more performance from other brands hardware as well?

By doing what?

[iSnow]

Could the software be used to get more performance from other brands hardware as well?

We don't even know if it is software, a different mask, driver or what it does. There is currently no point in speculating how it will affect the company

[Stuartuk]

Simply optimizing it's life-time output?

People are still running their old rigs, they don't seem to have a problem breaking down.

No I didn't mean extending it's lifetime - optimising it's output over it's productive lifetime. At some point the power-draw will exceed productivity then the chip should be turned off and you are better buying BTC with the cash rather than paying it to the power company.

[VolanicEruptor]

Could the software be used to get more performance from other brands hardware as well?

By doing what?

You can't respond like that, because all you're going to get back is "Well Ken must have something up his sleeves that we don't know about!"
the correct way to respond is to explain why it's impossible

[Vigil]

All the Intellihash thing can be is a physical update to the chip logic which makes it a bit more efficient than the first batch and the option to upgrade firmware over time that may lead to slightly better power and resource management. There is no way that this tech has any means to significantly increase performance as a function of difficulty. so, perhaps it was the right decision but it is nothing extraordinary.

Or maybe Ken has unlocked the secrets of AI and self replicating hashing cores.

[zumzero]

Could the software be used to get more performance from other brands hardware as well?

By doing what?

I have been on a steep learning curve for the last few months and still know shit about the technology behind Asics, but perhaps people need to try to think outside the box more.  If this thing is a potential 'game changer' then it could very well be something we would least expect.

Maybe eASIC threw us a bone. 

[zefyr0s]

Could the software be used to get more performance from other brands hardware as well?

By doing what?

I have been on a steep learning curve for the last few months and still know shit about the technology behind Asics, but perhaps people need to try to think outside the box more.  If this thing is a potential 'game changer' then it could very well be something we would least expect.

Well I'm sure Ken has something up his sleeves that we don't know about.

[VolanicEruptor]

Simply optimizing it's life-time output?

People are still running their old rigs, they don't seem to have a problem breaking down.

No I didn't mean extending it's lifetime - optimising it's output over it's productive lifetime. At some point the power-draw will exceed productivity then the chip should be turned off and you are better buying BTC with the cash rather than paying it to the power company.

Again, lets compare it to the engine of a car.  As we try to drive the car on progressively steeper and steeper hills, the car is not going to become more "fuel efficient".  Growing difficulty has no positive affect on a miner.  If anyone thinks differently, then they don't understand what difficulty actually is.

[Stuartuk]

It seems to be really important to our bottom line so I'm not mentioning it anymore. Maybe we should just get back to the arguing?

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I have been on a steep learning curve for the last few months ...

[Vigil]

Could the software be used to get more performance from other brands hardware as well?

By doing what?

I have been on a steep learning curve for the last few months and still know shit about the technology behind Asics, but perhaps people need to try to think outside the box more.  If this thing is a potential 'game changer' then it could very well be something we would least expect.

ASICs are simply dedicated processors optimized for a particular calculation. Your processor in your PC is programmed to do many many different types of calculations. So, it can hash, but it is not optimized for that specific task. The ASIC has been hardwired many many times to do that calculation many many times per second. that is it. There is nothing crazy to it. Obviously, arranging the transistors and gates and such to perform the calculation takes some knowledge, but it is as simple as a chip gets.

[Stuartuk]

Again, lets compare it to the engine of a car.  As we try to drive the car on progressively steeper and steeper hills, the car is not going to become more "fuel efficient".  

Actually it could do as wind resistance decreases exponentially as the car travels at a slower speed. The majority of fuel is used for pushing air out of the way of your car.

[VolanicEruptor]

Could the software be used to get more performance from other brands hardware as well?

By doing what?

You can't respond like that, because all you're going to get back is "Well Ken must have something up his sleeves that we don't know about!"
the correct way to respond is to explain why it's impossible

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Well I'm sure Ken has something up his sleeves that we don't know about.

[Vigil]

Again, lets compare it to the engine of a car.  As we try to drive the car on progressively steeper and steeper hills, the car is not going to become more "fuel efficient".  

Actually it could do as wind resistance decreases exponentially as the car travels at a slower speed. The majority of fuel is used for pushing air out of the way of your car.

But the engine doesn't have some performance variable which is dependent on the steepness of the hill. The engine can do only what it is designed to do. when it comes to hashing, you are either hashing as fast as the chip was designed to hash or you are not.

[Stuartuk]

It has 5 gears. Engine speed determines fuel use aswell.

[VolanicEruptor]

The majority of fuel is used for pushing air out of the way of your car.

I hope your joking.  The majority of the fuel is used to turn the wheels, not for "pushing the air" out of the way ..
PLEASE tell me you're joking