[ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]

[zumzero]

All the Intellihash thing can be is a physical update to the chip logic which makes it a bit more efficient than the first batch and the option to upgrade firmware over time that may lead to slightly better power and resource management. There is no way that this tech has any means to significantly increase performance as a function of difficulty. so, perhaps it was the right decision but it is nothing extraordinary.

Or maybe Ken has unlocked the secrets of AI and self replicating hashing cores.

Fast-Hash One Smart Edition and Intellihash are revealing names, is this relevant?

[Vigil]

It has 5 gears.

True, but hashing is simply performing as many calculations as possible. There isn't a different algorithm to switch over to that has different means to solve it. The only way to overcome it is brute force. So, if you have the force to begin with you might as well use it from the beginning.

[VolanicEruptor]

I'll try to make Vigils point a little more clear.  Answer these math problem as many times as possible:

3 + 2 =
3 + 2 =
3 + 2 =

How fast were you able to solve those 3 problems?

Okay, now the difficulty is going to go up!  Let's try again!

3 + 2 =
3 + 2 =
3 + 2 =
3 + 2 =
3 + 2 =
3 + 2 =


Good job!  It took you longer to complete it that time though!  Perhaps we can put a special HELMET on you that makes you complete it FASTER!  But wait a minute... why didn't we just give you the HELMET right from the start?

As the miner has to do more calculations, it is impossible for it to become PROGRESSIVELY "more efficient".  Like Vigil says, its just a brute force operation that does as many cycles as it can per second.  The difficulty cannot possible have any positive affect on the calculation speed.

[zefyr0s]

.............................3 posts later........................

sigh..

Anyway, I'd like to know if Ken has an idea when the reclamation website will be up.

[Stuartuk]

The majority of fuel is used for pushing air out of the way of your car.

I hope your joking.  The majority of the fuel is used to turn the wheels, not for "pushing the air" out of the way ..
PLEASE tell me you're joking

If you don't believe me maybe you will believe this site about trucks?

http://www.vflap.com/content/HowAerodynamicSavesFuel.html

'The correlation between fuel consumption and travelling speed is similar to the curve of overall drag. At a constant speed of 50 kmph less than 40% of the engine power is used to overcome drag, as against 60% at a speed of 80 kmph.'

[zefyr0s]

So it works for fuel economy for sure at least, lets use that as the analogy.

[VolanicEruptor]

The majority of fuel is used for pushing air out of the way of your car.

I hope your joking.  The majority of the fuel is used to turn the wheels, not for "pushing the air" out of the way ..
PLEASE tell me you're joking

If you don't believe me maybe you will believe this site about trucks?

http://www.vflap.com/content/HowAerodynamicSavesFuel.html

'The correlation between fuel consumption and travelling speed is similar to the curve of overall drag. At a constant speed of 50 kmph less than 40% of the engine power is used to overcome drag, as against 60% at a speed of 80 kmph.'

That's not what you were saying.  If you seriously think that driving a car up hill is spending most of its fuel to "push air out its way", you should not be allowed to use bitcoins.

[Stuartuk]

No that's not what I said. I said it could (and I bolded the original post too) use less fuel.

I haven't done an equation but into a strong head-wind you will save fuel by slowing down from sppeds of above say 50mph- fact. So if that slowing down saves more fuel than the incline adds to your fuel use through increased rolling resistance then you could save fuel. Ergo if you come to a hill in a strong headwind and slow down you could be using less fuel than at higher speeds on the flat. I said could - it is possible at certain relative speeds.

EDIT - in effect you are saying a car maxing out it's Revs at 180mph on the flat will use less fuel than it does doing 20mph up an incline. Far from true.

[Vigil]

No that's not what I said. I said it could (and I bolded the original post too) use less fuel.

I haven't done an equation but into a strong head-wind you will save fuel by slowing down from sppeds of above say 50mph- fact. So if that slowing down saves more fuel than the incline adds to your fuel use through increased rolling resistance then you could save fuel. Ergo if you come to a hill in a strong headwind and slow down you could be using less fuel than at higher speeds on the flat. I said could - it is possible at certain relative speeds.

But as we have said... mining is a brute force operation. There is no magical way to more efficiently solve the blocks. If there were, we would have successfully partially broken bitcoin. I do, however, remember someone suggesting that Nakamoto may have found a short-cut to mining, but I don't remember where that is.

[VolanicEruptor]

okay, that's great.. now lets relate that to difficulty.
Difficulty is simply solving x + x = y over and over.
Please explain to me how a higher difficulty can lower hashing resistance the same way the car would?  There are no "software gears" like the car because it is a 0 or 1 operation with no other factors

[Stuartuk]

I'm sorry I'm not a software engineer nor an authority on chips.

Remember I don't want to talk about this competitive advantage on an open forum.

Any more car talk?

[VolanicEruptor]

I can't believe I read all of that

[Stuartuk]

I can't believe I read all of that

lol - didn't see it now it's gone. 'Ignore' really does make this a better place.

[knybe]

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

- Hamlet

[Bargraphics]

And in this harsh world draw thy breath in pain,
To tell my story. . .
O, I die, Horatio

- Hamlet

[VolanicEruptor]

Lorenzo I'm seriously getting worried about you.. and what was with that 5 page speech that you just deleted?  You are seriously losing it

[Vigil]

And in this harsh world draw thy breath in pain,
To tell my story. . .
O, I die, Horatio

- Hamlet

But I do not know why she swallowed that fly
Perhaps she'll die.

- Old Lady Who Swallowed a Fly

Love me tender,
Love me true,
All my dreams fulfilled.
For my darlin I love you,
And I always will.

- Elvis

[knybe]

And in this harsh world draw thy breath in pain,
To tell my story. . .
O, I die, Horatio

- Hamlet

Now cracks a noble heart.—Good night, sweet prince,
And flights of angels sing thee to thy rest!—

- Horatio

[Bargraphics]

And in this harsh world draw thy breath in pain,
To tell my story. . .
O, I die, Horatio

- Hamlet

Now cracks a noble heart.—Good night, sweet prince,
And flights of angels sing thee to thy rest!—

- Horatio

Spoiler Alert

Hamlet dies at the end

[VolanicEruptor]

"What are you, some bottom-feeding, scum sucking algae eater?"
-Duke Nukem