[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[DARKHOLDER]

I am also add coins to make a masternode.
If price goes to  8~6 $ next week, you would have good chance !!
Check my dumpping  price chart
All went to zcash and btc, but I add a masternode today.

[/quote]

Dash price very stable hold 8,2-8,9$ in this unstable period. ..if it go under 8$ I'm also buy some coins. All depends from bitcoin next week's.

[TanteStefana2]

Looks like Dash is bouncing back pretty hard.

Still, I'm really getting worried here.  A lot of time and money is being spent on the same things over and over, website and logo, marketing, etc...  Don't get me wrong, I agree these things are important, but I see this gaping hole that isn't being worked on at all.  That is merchant integration. 

I believe we are losing ground on adoption.  I realize the core team wants to do things in a nice linear fashion.  Finish up Evolution, then make apps that will make Dash easier to use, then hope merchants will use apps someone else creates for them to accept Dash.  However, Dash Evolution is complex and will still take a long time to debut, and in the meantime we are losing ground to others who see the importance of merchant adoption. 

If we don't bring this highly neglected sector up to the level everything else has come to, we are going to win the battle but lose the war.  We need merchant tools ASAP.  And we need them to be decentralized so that merchants can choose which products and service combinations they want and that are most advantageous to them.  But I see very little work in this direction.  All we have is expensive credit cards that can be used in the existing commerce system, which in fact adds 4.5% to every purchase (along with the 3%+ the merchant has to pay)  This is cool, especially if shake, or whatever their name is, can reduce the cost to free eventually, but it's NOT adoption!

Crypto-currencies have one big advantage to adoption, and that is cost!  They're virtually free IF a merchant accepts the coins and holds.  They're super cheap, around 1%, if a merchant chooses to cash out their coins for Fiat at their chosen exchange.  THIS is where merchant integration should be focused.  Helping merchants accept Dash (as an equal to fiat or credit cards) as payment.  We need to get people to NEED to use Dash, and Dash alone. Because it is instant and secure (huge network) it's also private. 

This needs to be fixed ASAP.  We can't afford to wait for Evolution.  By that time, we will have lost our head start and other coins will make inroads into the minds of merchants and users. 

But how do we do this?  The core team really doesn't understand the needs of merchants.  We need a new team to do this work.  To take over this kind of integration, this service to sell to merchants.  We have a chicken or egg situation, and we simply have to create both at the same time.

Is there anyone out there who is considering working for Dash, the network (not core)?  Can you provide ideas and hopefully solutions to this problem?

Something like square's Point of Sales solution?  This could work for any small business, especially hobbyists flea markets, etc... We need to make REAL inroads into a marketplace, and as the Jackalope festival showed us, the easiest inroads would be wit free thinking, advantage seeking individual merchants.  Lets make it so advantageous for them to use Dash, that it becomes the must-have and most desirable payment option.

But we need someone with the skill and vision to make this happen.  if that's you, please come discuss this here

[gusterdd]

I am also add coins to make a masternode.
If price goes to  8~6 $ next week, you would have good chance !!
Check my dumpping  price chart
All went to zcash and btc, but I add a masternode today.

Dash price very stable hold 8,2-8,9$ in this unstable period. ..if it go under 8$ I'm also buy some coins. All depends from bitcoin next week's.

I added a masternode yesterday,
It is always hard for me to set a masternode.

[tungfa]

Evan D is prepping for his Dash presentation @ LaBitConf Buenos Aires - 5th Nov 10 am ; )

http://www.labitconf.com/blog/speakers/evan-duffield/

 

[Revelations86]

Looks like Dash is bouncing back pretty hard.

Still, I'm really getting worried here.  A lot of time and money is being spent on the same things over and over, website and logo, marketing, etc...  Don't get me wrong, I agree these things are important, but I see this gaping hole that isn't being worked on at all.  That is merchant integration. 

I believe we are losing ground on adoption.  I realize the core team wants to do things in a nice linear fashion.  Finish up Evolution, then make apps that will make Dash easier to use, then hope merchants will use apps someone else creates for them to accept Dash.  However, Dash Evolution is complex and will still take a long time to debut, and in the meantime we are losing ground to others who see the importance of merchant adoption. 

If we don't bring this highly neglected sector up to the level everything else has come to, we are going to win the battle but lose the war.  We need merchant tools ASAP.  And we need them to be decentralized so that merchants can choose which products and service combinations they want and that are most advantageous to them.  But I see very little work in this direction.  All we have is expensive credit cards that can be used in the existing commerce system, which in fact adds 4.5% to every purchase (along with the 3%+ the merchant has to pay)  This is cool, especially if shake, or whatever their name is, can reduce the cost to free eventually, but it's NOT adoption!

Crypto-currencies have one big advantage to adoption, and that is cost!  They're virtually free IF a merchant accepts the coins and holds.  They're super cheap, around 1%, if a merchant chooses to cash out their coins for Fiat at their chosen exchange.  THIS is where merchant integration should be focused.  Helping merchants accept Dash (as an equal to fiat or credit cards) as payment.  We need to get people to NEED to use Dash, and Dash alone. Because it is instant and secure (huge network) it's also private. 

This needs to be fixed ASAP.  We can't afford to wait for Evolution.  By that time, we will have lost our head start and other coins will make inroads into the minds of merchants and users. 

But how do we do this?  The core team really doesn't understand the needs of merchants.  We need a new team to do this work.  To take over this kind of integration, this service to sell to merchants.  We have a chicken or egg situation, and we simply have to create both at the same time.

Is there anyone out there who is considering working for Dash, the network (not core)?  Can you provide ideas and hopefully solutions to this problem?

Something like square's Point of Sales solution?  This could work for any small business, especially hobbyists flea markets, etc... We need to make REAL inroads into a marketplace, and as the Jackalope festival showed us, the easiest inroads would be wit free thinking, advantage seeking individual merchants.  Lets make it so advantageous for them to use Dash, that it becomes the must-have and most desirable payment option.

But we need someone with the skill and vision to make this happen.  if that's you, please come discuss this here

I am happy to help and will send you a PM.

[IMZ]

' . . . this gaping hole that isn't being worked on at all.  That is merchant integration.'

If you're DASH and in Australia and wanna work on merchant adoption/trading stuff, PM me.

Mark

[tungfa]

Many New Proposals are up
Please Vote !

https://www.dashcentral.org/budget

What is…:
https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/x/HgCD

[toknormal]

Evan D is prepping for his Dash presentation @ LaBitConf Buenos Aires - 5th Nov 10 am ; )

http://www.labitconf.com/blog/speakers/evan-duffield/

"Evan Duffield has been developing software since I was 15,"  

[K~Ehleyr]

I've just sent € funds to Kraken to buy Bitcoin in order that I can transfer it to Polo and buy some Dash - and saw that Kraken has already added ZEC to their offer!  They have ZEC/USD, ZEC/EUR, ZEC/CAD, ZEC/GBP, ZEC/JPY,..... yet I'm still having to transact via BTC in order to buy Dash with my euros!  Can anyone explain why Kraken hasn't added Dash already and whether anybody is working on this?  It seems a bit lame that Dash isn't there when ZEC is there from launch...

[ddink7]

Many New Proposals are up
Please Vote !

https://www.dashcentral.org/budget

What is…:
https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/x/HgCD

'

Yes, please vote! There is 1100 unallocated DASH this budget cycle. The following proposals do not yet have the votes to pass. I'm not saying to vote for them, but if you haven't voted yet, you might take a look:

Barcelona Bitcoin Meetup
Dash Community
Odoo DASH crypto module
For the Community

[ddink7]

I've just sent € funds to Kraken to buy Bitcoin in order that I can transfer it to Polo and buy some Dash - and saw that Kraken has already added ZEC to their offer!  They have ZEC/USD, ZEC/EUR, ZEC/CAD, ZEC/GBP, ZEC/JPY,..... yet I'm still having to transact via BTC in order to buy Dash with my euros!  Can anyone explain why Kraken hasn't added Dash already and whether anybody is working on this?  It seems a bit lame that Dash isn't there when ZEC is there from launch...

This is one I never could figure out either. They have several coins I've never even heard of, but not DASH. I used to think they were scared of the privacy-centric nature of DASH, but since they've added Zcoin, I can only assume they have some personal animus against us. Does anybody have any idea what it could be?

It just doesn't make any sense...

[qwizzie]

My prediction of the week : in a few weeks Dash will rank number 5 and consolidate on that position.

[qwizzie]

Evan D is prepping for his Dash presentation @ LaBitConf Buenos Aires - 5th Nov 10 am ; )

http://www.labitconf.com/blog/speakers/evan-duffield/

"Evan Duffield has been developing software since I was 15,"  

ahhh, a riddle .. i like it. If writer of that article was 15 since Evan Duffield has been developing software, how old is writer now ?  

[Riseman]

I've just sent € funds to Kraken to buy Bitcoin in order that I can transfer it to Polo and buy some Dash - and saw that Kraken has already added ZEC to their offer!  They have ZEC/USD, ZEC/EUR, ZEC/CAD, ZEC/GBP, ZEC/JPY,..... yet I'm still having to transact via BTC in order to buy Dash with my euros!  Can anyone explain why Kraken hasn't added Dash already and whether anybody is working on this?  It seems a bit lame that Dash isn't there when ZEC is there from launch...

This is one I never could figure out either. They have several coins I've never even heard of, but not DASH. I used to think they were scared of the privacy-centric nature of DASH, but since they've added Zcoin, I can only assume they have some personal animus against us. Does anybody have any idea what it could be?

It just doesn't make any sense...

Common sense tells me that exchanges generally don't care about distribution, "fairness" or developer intentions. They are interested in 2 things: trading volume and security. So if the trading fees are worth the trouble of adding another asset and if it doesn't compromise security they should do it.

Historically, Dash has had the lowest trading volume of all top 10 alts so this might be the cause. I suppose the recent BTC-e listing happened because they expected some kind of high-volume action to happen soon. But seems like they were wrong and another coin was pumped (and dumped) instead.

[TanteStefana2]

ShakePay Launches Dash Debit Card: Q&A w/ Founder Jean Amiouny

https://youtu.be/y3eco7GkrpU

Yah, that's 3 levels of middle men.  Shakepay, Their exchange to BTC, then something like Coinbase to bank.  Why should we accept this?  That's probably 3% minimum you have to pay to accept Dash!  Where is the savings.  Savings enough to even bother with all this shit?  We need to bring this down to one exchange that will take Dash, turn it into Fiat and deposit it into your bank.  Get rid of all the middle men.  And we need to do it ASAP or we will not survive.

We need to provide a nice carrot to entice a group ripe for need, and I say it's the small merchant, the ones that set up shop at conventions, flea markets and etsy that we should be going after first (hell, that's EXACTLY the people Paypal started out with, and have now been raping!)  All these middle men aren't needed.  What we need is a Dash to fiat exchange that accepts IX, can convert to fiat immediately and send it off automatically to their bank account.  One step, not 3/4 steps.  And make it so they can CHOOSE which exchange they want to use.

I'm not saying don't allow other companies come up with services, but I am saying we have to be competitive against all other coins, or we will lose our lead.  And we do need to stop playing favorites in my opinion.  We are creating monopolies which will bite us in the ass in the future, and kill the whole reason why cryptos exist in the first place.  I can see these 3rd party solutions being useful for big industry some day, but the little guy, the lowest merchant is the one who is going to make or break crypto, I promise you.

[TanteStefana2]

Many New Proposals are up
Please Vote !

https://www.dashcentral.org/budget

What is…:
https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/x/HgCD

'

Yes, please vote! There is 1100 unallocated DASH this budget cycle. The following proposals do not yet have the votes to pass. I'm not saying to vote for them, but if you haven't voted yet, you might take a look:

Barcelona Bitcoin Meetup
Dash Community
Odoo DASH crypto module
For the Community

+1 to this, and if you're checking out what's available to vote for, please consider voting for the Odoo integration of Dash!!!

[IMZ]

ShakePay Launches Dash Debit Card: Q&A w/ Founder Jean Amiouny

https://youtu.be/y3eco7GkrpU

Yah, that's 3 levels of middle men.  Shakepay, Their exchange to BTC, then something like Coinbase to bank.  Why should we accept this?  That's probably 3% minimum you have to pay to accept Dash!  Where is the savings.  Savings enough to even bother with all this shit?  We need to bring this down to one exchange that will take Dash, turn it into Fiat and deposit it into your bank.  Get rid of all the middle men.  And we need to do it ASAP or we will not survive.

We need to provide a nice carrot to entice a group ripe for need, and I say it's the small merchant, the ones that set up shop at conventions, flea markets and etsy that we should be going after first (hell, that's EXACTLY the people Paypal started out with, and have now been raping!)  All these middle men aren't needed.  What we need is a Dash to fiat exchange that accepts IX, can convert to fiat immediately and send it off automatically to their bank account.  One step, not 3/4 steps.  And make it so they can CHOOSE which exchange they want to use.

I'm not saying don't allow other companies come up with services, but I am saying we have to be competitive against all other coins, or we will lose our lead.  And we do need to stop playing favorites in my opinion.  We are creating monopolies which will bite us in the ass in the future, and kill the whole reason why cryptos exist in the first place.  I can see these 3rd party solutions being useful for big industry some day, but the little guy, the lowest merchant is the one who is going to make or break crypto, I promise you.

'I say it's the small merchant, the ones that set up shop at conventions, flea markets and etsy that we should be going after first . . . '

Wow! Us IndiaMikeZulu guys have been arguing this case since we undertook to introduce cryptos 'cold' to an entire town late 2013/early 2014.

We have a bucket load of ideas for such an initiative, but essentially, it involves moving away from the screen.

[Got news about bullion purchases with cryptos in Australia shortly.]

[Cryptorials]

ShakePay Launches Dash Debit Card: Q&A w/ Founder Jean Amiouny

https://youtu.be/y3eco7GkrpU

Yah, that's 3 levels of middle men.  Shakepay, Their exchange to BTC, then something like Coinbase to bank.  Why should we accept this?  That's probably 3% minimum you have to pay to accept Dash!  Where is the savings.  Savings enough to even bother with all this shit?  We need to bring this down to one exchange that will take Dash, turn it into Fiat and deposit it into your bank.  Get rid of all the middle men.  And we need to do it ASAP or we will not survive.

We need to provide a nice carrot to entice a group ripe for need, and I say it's the small merchant, the ones that set up shop at conventions, flea markets and etsy that we should be going after first (hell, that's EXACTLY the people Paypal started out with, and have now been raping!)  All these middle men aren't needed.  What we need is a Dash to fiat exchange that accepts IX, can convert to fiat immediately and send it off automatically to their bank account.  One step, not 3/4 steps.  And make it so they can CHOOSE which exchange they want to use.

I'm not saying don't allow other companies come up with services, but I am saying we have to be competitive against all other coins, or we will lose our lead.  And we do need to stop playing favorites in my opinion.  We are creating monopolies which will bite us in the ass in the future, and kill the whole reason why cryptos exist in the first place.  I can see these 3rd party solutions being useful for big industry some day, but the little guy, the lowest merchant is the one who is going to make or break crypto, I promise you.

'I say it's the small merchant, the ones that set up shop at conventions, flea markets and etsy that we should be going after first . . . '

Wow! Us IndiaMikeZulu guys have been arguing this case since we undertook to introduce cryptos 'cold' to an entire town late 2013/early 2014.

We have a bucket load of ideas for such an initiative, but essentially, it involves moving away from the screen.

[Got news about bullion purchases with cryptos in Australia shortly.]

The only person I ever convinced to use crypto who did more than just buying some to hold as an investment was a market stall owner. I initially tried to pay him with a debit card and he told me he didn't take cards, so I told him he should take Bitcoin as all he needed was to download an app to his phone and he said he'd been thinking of buying some bitcoin anyway to pay for torrents so he took my advice and started accepting bitcoin payments.

[tungfa]

Dash’s babygiraffe  : Govts Could Target Businesses That Seek to Integrate Anonymous Currencies

https://cointelegraph.com/news/dashs-baby-giraffe-govts-could-target-businesses-that-seek-to-integrate-anonymous-currencies

[ddink7]

I've just sent € funds to Kraken to buy Bitcoin in order that I can transfer it to Polo and buy some Dash - and saw that Kraken has already added ZEC to their offer!  They have ZEC/USD, ZEC/EUR, ZEC/CAD, ZEC/GBP, ZEC/JPY,..... yet I'm still having to transact via BTC in order to buy Dash with my euros!  Can anyone explain why Kraken hasn't added Dash already and whether anybody is working on this?  It seems a bit lame that Dash isn't there when ZEC is there from launch...

This is one I never could figure out either. They have several coins I've never even heard of, but not DASH. I used to think they were scared of the privacy-centric nature of DASH, but since they've added Zcoin, I can only assume they have some personal animus against us. Does anybody have any idea what it could be?

It just doesn't make any sense...

Common sense tells me that exchanges generally don't care about distribution, "fairness" or developer intentions. They are interested in 2 things: trading volume and security. So if the trading fees are worth the trouble of adding another asset and if it doesn't compromise security they should do it.

Historically, Dash has had the lowest trading volume of all top 10 alts so this might be the cause. I suppose the recent BTC-e listing happened because they expected some kind of high-volume action to happen soon. But seems like they were wrong and another coin was pumped (and dumped) instead.

See, you're exactly right with respect to what you'd *think* would happen. But let's look at what actually has happened:

Kraken trades Stellar Lumens, with $76,000 total volume daily
Kraken trades Iconomi, with $191,000 total volume daily
Kraken trades Augur, with $450,000 total volume daily
Kraken DOES NOT TRADE Dash, with $1,100,000 total volume daily

Granted, I'm using the last 24 hours' trade volume as my "total volume daily" measurement, but it should be good enough for my purposes. Dash has a trading volume up to FIFTEEN TIMES GREATER than some of the alts Kraken trades.

The decision to incorporate those alts and not Dash is economically irrational, which means there must be something outside of economics at play here.

(Bitfinex is similar, with several low-volume alts but no Dash. They delisted us and then added coins with a fraction of our daily volume.)