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[darkproton]

"Super secure hashing algorithm: 11 rounds of scientific hashing functions (blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo)"


is this a joke?
how will i benefit from this when im mining this?
u guys are getting miners some way confused..

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+do+research

[darkproton]

"Super secure hashing algorithm: 11 rounds of scientific hashing functions (blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo)"


is this a joke?
how will i benefit from this when im mining this?
u guys are getting miners some way confused..

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+do+research

 ok, im not interested to do the work for u

guess its good time to sell and leave the mess behind you

do the work for yourself. There are a ton of pages here. use the search bar at the top to qualify certain key words.
You're not interested in doing my work, which just so happens to be, the work you wanted me to do for you?
And I hate when kids come demand explanation like first time.
Will keep mine

[traderman]

This is precisely why we need Darkcoin.

Everyone go and comment on that article to let people know about Darkcoin!

Every time someone asks you why you would want an anonymous crypto, point them to this article!!!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-06/exactly-how-you-destroy-banking-system

[coins101]

Down to less than 20 DRK / day mining.

Anyone mined MYR on Groestl? I might mine it and buy DRK to help keep the price up for the next few weeks.

Looking for info on MYR / Groestl and found this:

Hello,
We are planning to implement X11 algorithm as the 4th algorithm into SFR.
What do you all think? Would this be great for SFR given X11 is the talk of 2014 and very energy efficient?
Do give your reviews. If there is a good response, we will look to add it.
Thanks

[darkproton]

"Super secure hashing algorithm: 11 rounds of scientific hashing functions (blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo)"


is this a joke?
how will i benefit from this when im mining this?
u guys are getting miners some way confused..

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+do+research

 ok, im not interested to do the work for u

guess its good time to sell and leave the mess behind you

do the work for yourself. There are a ton of pages here. use the search bar at the top to qualify certain key words.
You're not interested in doing my work, which just so happens to be, the work you wanted me to do for you?
And I hate when kids come demand explanation like first time.
Will keep mine

keep your coin
i will not support this if behavior is like teens out there
simple question, no answer, it makes me think something is wrong

Way to spin it. "I come in here, all doe-eyed and nice, and you mean person yell at me. boo-hoo". Re-read your accusatory, trollish post.

"Super secure hashing algorithm: 11 rounds of scientific hashing functions (blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo)"


is this a joke?
how will i benefit from this when im mining this?
u guys are getting miners some way confused..

Be out. I don't care. You're missing out.

[thelonecrouton]

keep your coin
i will not support this if behavior is like teens out there
simple question, no answer, it makes me think something is wrong

First day on the internet?  

Not sure what you meant by your question? X11 is the hashing algo that DRK uses. Your rig(s) draw half the power and run much cooler than scrypt or scrypt-n.

Good luck!

[coins101]

"Super secure hashing algorithm: 11 rounds of scientific hashing functions (blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo)"


is this a joke?
how will i benefit from this when im mining this?
u guys are getting miners some way confused..

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+do+research

 ok, im not interested to do the work for u

guess its good time to sell and leave the mess behind you

do the work for yourself. There are a ton of pages here. use the search bar at the top to qualify certain key words.
You're not interested in doing my work, which just so happens to be, the work you wanted me to do for you?
And I hate when kids come demand explanation like first time.
Will keep mine

keep your coin
i will not support this if behavior is like teens out there
simple question, no answer, it makes me think something is wrong

the thread around these pages might help

I found some interesting commentary about X11 in the dogecoin subreddit:

http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/23fk2i/very_long_very_serious_development_summary_week/

At the time of writing the development team has no plans to change proof of work algorithm outside of the eventuality of a major security break to Scrypt. We are focusing on mitigation approaches in case of a 51% attack, and adoption of the coin as the most sustainable approaches to dealing with this risk.
The X11 algorithm has been proposed as an alternative proof of work algorithm. X11, for those unaware, was introduced with Darkcoin. It’s a combination of 11 different SHA-3 candidate algorithms, using multiple rounds of hashing. The main advantage championed for Darkcoin is that current implementations run cooler on GPU hardware. Beyond that, there’s a lot of confusion over what it does and does not do. As I’m neither an algorithms or electronics specialist, I recruited a colleague who previously worked on the CERN computing grid to assist, and the following is primarily his analysis. A full technical report is coming for anyone who really likes detail, this is just a summary:
A lot of people presume X11 is ASIC resistant; it’s not. Candidate algorithms for SHA-3 were assessed on a number of criteria, including simplicity to implement in hardware. All 11 algorithms have been implemented in FPGA hardware, and several in ASIC hardware already. The use of multiple algorithms does significantly complicate ASIC development, as it means the resulting chip would likely be extremely large. This has consequences for production, as the area of a chip is the main determining factor for likelihood of an error in the chip.

The short version being that while yes it would take significant resources to make an efficient ASIC for X11, for a long time Scrypt was considered infeasible to adapt to ASICs. As stated earlier, any move would most likely be nothing more than an extremely expensive and risky delaying manoeuvre. ASIC efficiency would also depend heavily on ability to optimise the combination of the algorithms; a naive implementation would run at around the rate of the slowest hashing algorithm, however if any common elements could be found amongst the algorithms, it may be that this could be improved upon significantly

There are also significant areas of concern with regards to X11. The “thermal efficiency” is most likely a result of the algorithm being a poor fit for GPU hardware. This means that GPU mining is closer to CPU mining (the X11 Wiki article suggests a ratio of 3:1 for GPU/CPU mining performance), however it also means that if a way of was found to improve performance there could be significantly faster software miners, leading to an ASIC-like edge without any of the hardware development costs. The component algorithms are all relatively new, and several were rejected during the SHA-3 competition for security concerns (see http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/ST/hash/sha-3/Round2/documents/Round2_Report_NISTIR_7764.pdf for full details). Security criteria for SHA-3 algorithms was also focused on ability to generate collisions, rather than on producing hashes with specific criteria (such as number of leading 0s, which is how proof of work is usually assessed).
X11 is a fascinating algorithm for new coins, however I would consider it exceptionally high risk for any existing coin to adopt.

Some of that sounds like pure nonsense:

The short version being that while yes it would take significant resources to make an efficient ASIC for X11, for a long time Scrypt was considered infeasible to adapt to ASICs. As stated earlier, any move would most likely be nothing more than an extremely expensive and risky delaying manoeuvre.

What's so extremely expensive about a mandatory wallet update? Which is all any fork would amount to as far as 99.9% of users are concerned. Risky? LOL. If you've already invested heavily in expensive ASICs, sure.

There are also significant areas of concern with regards to X11. The “thermal efficiency” is most likely a result of the algorithm being a poor
fit for GPU hardware. This means that GPU mining is closer to CPU mining (the X11 Wiki article suggests a ratio of 3:1 for GPU/CPU mining performance),
however it also means that if a way of was found to improve performance there could be significantly faster software miners, leading to an ASIC-like edge without any of the hardware development costs.

Well folks, yes, miners could get faster. But miners would still be widely distributed GPUs, not inevitably-centralised ASICs. And faster miners aren't exactly a problem.

you might want to go back to those dates for a few views

EDIT - just seen the 'I'm going to sell and go and do something else.....'



Don't bite your nose to spite your face.

[GhostPlayer]

 Bumping p2pool and NOMP patching bounty!!

 Growing daily! Currently 576 DRK for the taking!

 Everyone who cares about DRK's integrity, chip in a little if you please, we're running out of time for the 14th!

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/developement-work-for-p2pool-and-nomp-stratum-patch.360/#post-2886

[splawik21]

I don't know if he is opened to read any article.
Ppl are strange but love them anyway

[AlexGR]

yep i have used x11.. worked fine
im not going to read tons of pages to find out why fork to algo mix?(blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo)
new stuff allways have new risks, that is why im interested what is happening, i have some darks and rate is 4x for me now

Darkcoin is the first X11 coin. All you need to do is mine with X11 cpu miners or X11 sgminer (sph sgminer) - which if you've done in the past, you can do it again with no problem.

The algo mix is the 11 hashes that are used in X11. Do you need to know them by name to mine X11? No. You just download the miner and mine. What's so confusing?

[AlexGR]

yep i have used x11.. worked fine
im not going to read tons of pages to find out why fork to algo mix?(blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo)
new stuff allways have new risks, that is why im interested what is happening, i have some darks and rate is 4x for me now

Darkcoin is the first X11 coin. All you need to do is mine with X11 cpu miners or X11 sgminer (sph sgminer) - which if you've done in the past, you can do it again with no problem.

The algo mix is the 11 hashes that are used in X11. Do you need to know them by name to mine X11? No. You just download the miner and mine. What's so confusing?

those rumours about darkcoin mixing new algos, what is that?

changin x11 to something else

redd somewhere u guys fork to change algo this month

Darkcoin implemented X11 first and it has stayed exactly the same from the start.

If you can mine X11 for DRK-clones, you can mine X11 for DRK too.

The fork concerns DarkSend (anonymous transactions functionality), not X11.

[AlexGR]

ok u guys have little mess then!!
people are writing out there u guys will fork algo!!

People, with various motives, write all kind of stuff all the time. If people are so quick to adopt any FUD they read, without analyzing the truth themselves, then they probably deserve to lose their coins, or the train. A quick glance on the thread would be enough to see that there is no X11 fork imminent or planned.

[splawik21]

Listen people and you will not get home at time.
You did well to come and ask in the source right source. But if ppl says like it they don't understand much or just spread wrong rumors.

yep i have used x11.. worked fine
im not going to read tons of pages to find out why fork to algo mix?(blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo)
new stuff allways have new risks, that is why im interested what is happening, i have some darks and rate is 4x for me now

Darkcoin is the first X11 coin. All you need to do is mine with X11 cpu miners or X11 sgminer (sph sgminer) - which if you've done in the past, you can do it again with no problem.

The algo mix is the 11 hashes that are used in X11. Do you need to know them by name to mine X11? No. You just download the miner and mine. What's so confusing?

those rumours about darkcoin mixing new algos, what is that?

changin x11 to something else

redd somewhere u guys fork to change algo this month

Darkcoin implemented X11 first and it has stayed exactly the same ever since it was first implemented.

If you can mine X11 for DRK-clones, you can mine X11 for DRK too.

The fork concerns DarkSend (anonymous transactions functionality), not X11.

ok u guys have little mess then!!
people are writing out there u guys will fork algo!!

[oblox]

yep i have used x11.. worked fine
im not going to read tons of pages to find out why fork to algo mix?(blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo)
new stuff allways have new risks, that is why im interested what is happening, i have some darks and rate is 4x for me now

Darkcoin is the first X11 coin. All you need to do is mine with X11 cpu miners or X11 sgminer (sph sgminer) - which if you've done in the past, you can do it again with no problem.

The algo mix is the 11 hashes that are used in X11. Do you need to know them by name to mine X11? No. You just download the miner and mine. What's so confusing?

those rumours about darkcoin mixing new algos, what is that?

changin x11 to something else

redd somewhere u guys fork to change algo this month

Darkcoin implemented X11 first and it has stayed exactly the same ever since it was first implemented.

If you can mine X11 for DRK-clones, you can mine X11 for DRK too.

The fork concerns DarkSend (anonymous transactions functionality), not X11.

ok u guys have little mess then!!
people are writing out there u guys will fork algo!!

No, it's stupid people that didn't take the time to read what is actually being forked. Anyone with half a brain can figure out what is true and what isn't.

[eltito]

yep i have used x11.. worked fine
im not going to read tons of pages to find out why fork to algo mix?(blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo)
new stuff allways have new risks, that is why im interested what is happening, i have some darks and rate is 4x for me now

Darkcoin is the first X11 coin. All you need to do is mine with X11 cpu miners or X11 sgminer (sph sgminer) - which if you've done in the past, you can do it again with no problem.

The algo mix is the 11 hashes that are used in X11. Do you need to know them by name to mine X11? No. You just download the miner and mine. What's so confusing?

those rumours about darkcoin mixing new algos, what is that?

changin x11 to something else

redd somewhere u guys fork to change algo this month
cant see anything like it here

There's no fork for the X11 algo, it's staying the same.  The fork is to implement master node payments.

ok u guys have little mess then!!
people are writing out there u guys will fork algo!!

Where are people writing this?

[splawik21]

@ gminerz

now you can paste the link to our last posts on threads where ppl spread this shitinfo. Thnx

[illodin]

@ gminerz

now you can paste the link to our last posts on threads where ppl spread this shitinfo. Thnx

 after getting attacked myself here when asking this?
no way

lol are you a joke?

[thelonecrouton]

Is there a way to hold the masternodes 1000 DRK locally in my regular qt wallet (address 0)? Or can it only be done with the CLI darkcoind? Because I'm struggling to run both at the same time.

Although it would probably be easier for someone to break into my local machine than for someone to acquire the ssl key for the MN running on the Amazon server, (assuming I trust Amazon,) so I'm not sure what advantage "holding" - they live in the blockchain after all, not on any one machine - the DRK locally would really be.

[splawik21]

@ gminerz

now you can paste the link to our last posts on threads where ppl spread this shitinfo. Thnx

 after getting attacked myself here when asking this?
no way

lol are you a joke?

im real, solve your own mess

ohh boy
do something for us. Dump your coins there are many who just waiting for smb like you to get coins and wait long term.

[godzirra]

@ gminerz

now you can paste the link to our last posts on threads where ppl spread this shitinfo. Thnx

 after getting attacked myself here when asking this?
no way

lol are you a joke?

im real, solve your own mess

Wow. No words.