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May 13, 2014, 07:11:56 PM
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can someone please tell me if there is a darkcoin sistercoin which does not use the darksend feature? i happen to think that an anonymizing feature like this is actually not a selling point, and infact a point of contention for future adoption. bitcoin and litecoin have openly rejected any ideas to implement such a feature.

i really like the x11 algorithm, but i want to just use it on a normal coin, is there a list of available x11 coins out there? or a consensus on what the #2 x11 coin is? ie. one that's already on real exchanges etc?

anyone?>

DRK with DarkSend turned off...

If you hate your privacy so much, why not just stick with BitCoin/LiteCoin/DogeCoin/HiroCoin/PeerCoin/AnyOldAltCoin?

I don't get it...

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May 13, 2014, 07:12:24 PM
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Side note. I have a mess load of masternodes to setup. Wondering what others here are doing. How is the price with AWS? Or digitalOcean? Anyone getting billed extra for data or other things? Basically wondering what's best experience so far. I think tantestefana locked down an aws?

Did you see my post erlyer? also on darkcoin talk. We have a VPS service provider accepting Darkcoins (also some otherones)

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/i-managed-to-convince-a-vps-service-provider-to-start-to-accept-darkcoins.586/

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May 13, 2014, 07:13:05 PM
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oh really? What type of magick were they practising?

This thread... lols.

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May 13, 2014, 07:14:01 PM
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Side note. I have a mess load of masternodes to setup. Wondering what others here are doing. How is the price with AWS? Or digitalOcean? Anyone getting billed extra for data or other things? Basically wondering what's best experience so far. I think tantestefana locked down an aws?

Joe's Data Center, $6/mo, 700GB pipe, 30GB disk. I win there all the time.

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May 13, 2014, 07:18:19 PM
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Did you see my post erlyer? also on darkcoin talk. We have a VPS service provider accepting Darkcoins (also some otherones)

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/i-managed-to-convince-a-vps-service-provider-to-start-to-accept-darkcoins.586/

Drive space is looking pretty weak, but it's better than nothing...

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Bandwidth from three of my masternodes, two Amazon, bottom one DO. This look about comparable to anyone else's?


I imagine it will rise a whole lot from here with greater adoption... 0.02 Mb/s is about 6.4GB/month I think? I can see 100GB being required pretty soon, and 1TB not very long after if all goes the way we hope it will. Then again I have no idea how it will scale.  Huh
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May 13, 2014, 07:36:46 PM
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I imagine it will rise a whole lot from here with greater adoption... 0.02 Mb/s is about 6.4GB/month I think? I can see 100GB being required pretty soon, and 1TB not very long after if all goes the way we hope it will.

I don't think I can follow you with bits and bytes here, please spell these out.
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May 13, 2014, 07:37:37 PM
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I imagine it will rise a whole lot from here with greater adoption... 0.02 Mb/s is about 6.4GB/month I think? I can see 100GB being required pretty soon, and 1TB not very long after if all goes the way we hope it will.

And someone dos'es the node for an hour = 500GB.
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May 13, 2014, 07:37:54 PM
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Did you see my post erlyer? also on darkcoin talk. We have a VPS service provider accepting Darkcoins (also some otherones)

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/i-managed-to-convince-a-vps-service-provider-to-start-to-accept-darkcoins.586/

Drive space is looking pretty weak, but it's better than nothing...

Any idea how much is needed ?

Space 6gb and bandwith 25gb is that not enough ?

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May 13, 2014, 07:40:17 PM
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Side note. I have a mess load of masternodes to setup. Wondering what others here are doing. How is the price with AWS? Or digitalOcean? Anyone getting billed extra for data or other things? Basically wondering what's best experience so far. I think tantestefana locked down an aws?

I was billed on AWS for excess data outbound (> 15GB) and so I moved to DigitalOcean. I think that for now the 1TB traffic included is enough  Smiley

This excess traffic was with older versions of the daemon and Evan said there were some reductions in bandwidth so.... well that's my 0.02 DRK

 Where can one monitor that on EC2? still cant find it, as well as total hours used per month!!

 Surely traffic cant be that high?? And regarding blockchains size, what are we looking at with Dark?
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May 13, 2014, 07:42:27 PM
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Did you see my post erlyer? also on darkcoin talk. We have a VPS service provider accepting Darkcoins (also some otherones)

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/i-managed-to-convince-a-vps-service-provider-to-start-to-accept-darkcoins.586/

Drive space is looking pretty weak, but it's better than nothing...

Any idea how much is needed ?

Space 6gb and bandwith 25gb is that not enough ?

I see you don't have a copy of the Bitcoin blockchain. Grin
DRK is <200Mb but BTC is around 20Gb right now.
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May 13, 2014, 07:42:55 PM
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Cloning DarkCoin without it's best features won't yield another DarkCoin but a generic shitcoin like all the rest in the clone pack (with the exception of a very very few which seem to be successful, for now).
You're actually right. That would just yield another copycoin with X11, rendering it useless.

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May 13, 2014, 07:43:04 PM
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My guys been doing this for the past few days:

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         day         rx              |  tx              |  total           |  avg. rate
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      05/09/14    346.34 MiB |  569.44 MiB|  915.78 MiB |  86.83 kbit/s
      05/10/14    524.69 MiB |  784.60 MiB|    1.28 GiB   |  124.14 kbit/s
      05/11/14    593.07 MiB |    1.30 GiB  |    1.88 GiB   |  182.10 kbit/s
      05/12/14    878.42 MiB |    2.15 GiB  |    3.01 GiB   |  292.27 kbit/s
      05/13/14    478.18 MiB |    1.32 GiB  |    1.78 GiB   |  268.31 kbit/s
     ------------------------+-------------+-------------+---------------

I only started monitoring it halfway through the 9th so that day's incomplete. No idea if this is normal or not, I was going to watch it for a while.
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May 13, 2014, 07:46:00 PM
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I imagine it will rise a whole lot from here with greater adoption... 0.02 Mb/s is about 6.4GB/month I think? I can see 100GB being required pretty soon, and 1TB not very long after if all goes the way we hope it will.

I don't think I can follow you with bits and bytes here, please spell these out.

Looks to me like they are all hovering around 0.02Megabits/second, (Amazon scale is bytes, not bits)

Multiply 0.02 Mb/s by 2592000 (seconds in 30 days) = 51840 Mbits/month = 6480 Mbytes/month = 6.4GB/month

My arithmetic is crap though, and these are very rough numbers...  Tongue
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May 13, 2014, 07:48:26 PM
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why exactly $214.5/DRK?

I did a rough calculation that gets to $1bn with increasing coin circulation. But anything north of $200 is acceptable.

What can we do to help make that happen? Preferably something else than recommending family and friends to invest in drk.  Smiley

family and friends gets you to $3.

lets leave it for tomorrow to carry on......

Because of time zones, I want to kick this off and bump later. It also gives people a chance to see where I'm coming from for the discussion so we don't have a random discussion later on my suggested strategy session for getting DRK to $214.5/DRK by Nov.

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Firstly, given the unique features of DRK there is no reason why DRK cannot be worth $1bn by Nov 2014.

But just saying it doesn’t make it happen. If we can articulate why it will happen and then put in place the steps to help it happen, i.e. a strategy, then execute on those steps, that is what investors like to see with a project with good fundamentals which makes the investment a long-term hold:

A focal point for believing the product is good enough and the direction of travel is well thought out and solid enough over the short, medium and longer term.

What five things do you feel are needed to get us to $1bn by Nov 2014?

Here are my thoughts:

1.   Technology -  Darkcoin is fundamentally about the technology. That needs to be 100% solid.

Evan is a natural leader.  He wants to make a ton of money and is doing all the things needed from a technical standpoint to make it happen.

InternetApe is fantastic and works away keeping the show on the road.

We need to create a protection ring around them and anyone that joins the technical support from all the FUD.

Evan has identified many of the things needed to make Darkcoin unbeatable on a number of fronts. Even where others believe this or that alternative has better tech, they fall down in other areas.

So DRK tech is becoming very well rounded against its competition. It is emerging as a big player in the big leagues.

At some point Evan is going to get called up for interviews, so better get the technical work out the way and then the media stuff will help drive the price.

2.   Media momentum

Darkcoin has a number of smart traders around. We need them to provide more input and what needs to be done on momentum to keep the price level moving upwards.

From what I can tell, news events are one of the things that drive the price of crypto.

Anticipation prevents sellers dumping and moving to the next big thing and this gives price stability and upwards momentum.

We can’t control when people write stuff in the media about Darkcoin. What we can control is milestone releases.

I think we should identify key milestones and release them every 2 weeks. Some of these milestones might be news worthy.

From Dark Gravity Wave updates, to Ring Signatures, to release updates, to IP obfuscation and news about secret development projects.

There must be a way to create RSS feeds we can create to keep people in the loop with news worthy updates.  Maybe freenode every week at the same time?

We had a PR bounty to get media contact names, we should start to use that. We should also take to twitter and engage with media people, that is where they spend their lives because that is where news propagates.

Over the coming months, regulation is going to feature heavily – in a positive way. Politics now accepts crypto donations, finance firms are going to get licences for all sorts of things and exchanges are going to open up fiat-crypto options.

We need to be in the media when these things are mentioned. Privacy is newsworthy.

3.   Competitive landscape

To get to $1bn we also need to point out why Darkcoin is better than Litecoin and a good option for Bitcoin users.

Litecoin spent a lot of time trying to get listed on big exchanges. When it did, in particular the Chinese exchanges, the price didn’t go to the moon as many expected. Instead it traded in a narrow downward range with the price linked to Bitcoin.

We have enough exchanges, more is worth having, but a bigger focus should be placed on why Litecoin and other transaction coins will be at a competitive disadvantage to the new breed of privacy coins, of which Darkcoin has the benefit of an early brand lead given the amount of exposure being in the top 10 of Coinmarketcap has provided.

Any short-term discussions about brand and logos can’t get in the way now, because of being a top 10 crypto.

Zerocash is about to get a lot of media exposure but now it should be framed with Darkcoin being mentioned. If it doesn’t, take to the comments boxes – it worked with Wired.

Litecoin is too much of a competitor of Bitcoin, despite their attempts to suggest that Litecoin is for spending and Bitcoin is for investing.

We should look at saying Darkcoin is for spending on privacy centric aspects as these are by far the most profitable payment networks. With the advent of Sidechains, Bitcoin is going to be more about the benefits that can be derived from the block chain.

Over the short-term, darkcoin can create a symbiotic relationship with Bitcoin – Darkcoin for spending on private things, Bitcoin for things you want to be on the block chain for providing analysis to verification of ownership of property rights.

This symbiotic relationship is something all the privacy centric coins will want to establish. Darkcoin has a growing exchange liquidity to make it a reality, subject to stable and rising prices linked to media coverage, linked to technical development and milestones.

4.   Expenditure focus

So this is something every coin wants – places for people to use their coin in the real world as a payment tool.

I have highlighted several places where this can happen. We need to find ways to engage with these people. Stickers for shop doors, DRK payment processors, ATMs in legal gun shops and legal cannabis outlets. DRK being used in porn should give every investor the horn - they are a good fit.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579976.msg6335710#msg6335710

5.   Parallel drive

Lastly, to drive the price and maintain momentum, we can’t have:

•   Disarray; or
•   Linear progress; or
•   People wasting time on repeating the same things.

We need to be organised and have lots of people doing parallel activities and ensuring they are coordinated with few overlaps and no conflicts in either message or work.

The wiki and similar places are great places for pointing to facts and standard responses.

There are plenty of Darkcoin supporters with lots of experience and are heavily staked. We need support and input. Sitting on the side lines and waiting for the price to go up is more of a hope strategy – hope is never a strategy.  

In crypto, price discovery is everything. Nothing helps push up prices better than sellers that are afraid to sell for fear of losing out. That only comes from smart hard work on the project as a team.

Nothing beats hard work to make things happen.  It’s hard work on DRK, or hard work trying to pick out the next big thing from the sea of crap out there?

$1bn this Nov is within our reach. Investors, day traders, casual observers, customers and partners just need valid reasons to believe in DRK.

With Evan as lead and a good support network to clear the path for good work, $5bn next Nov is within our ability and control to achieve or throw away.

Its very easy to disappear up your own arse with some of this stuff, so feel free to challenge any or all of it.


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May 13, 2014, 07:53:54 PM
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And someone dos'es the node for an hour = 500GB.
Huh, here's me thinking I only got charged for outbound traffic? Of which there will be none when being DDOS'd.
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And someone dos'es the node for an hour = 500GB.
Huh, here's me thinking I only got charged for outbound traffic? Of which there will be none when being DDOS'd.
Well you could probably contact amazon and say that you were DDOS'd. Else hosting wouldn't be feasible like that.
You could talk with them about a masternode.

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May 13, 2014, 07:55:57 PM
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can someone please tell me if there is a darkcoin sistercoin which does not use the darksend feature? i happen to think that an anonymizing feature like this is actually not a selling point, and infact a point of contention for future adoption. bitcoin and litecoin have openly rejected any ideas to implement such a feature.

i really like the x11 algorithm, but i want to just use it on a normal coin, is there a list of available x11 coins out there? or a consensus on what the #2 x11 coin is? ie. one that's already on real exchanges etc?

anyone?>

DRK with DarkSend turned off...

If you hate your privacy so much, why not just stick with BitCoin/LiteCoin/DogeCoin/HiroCoin/PeerCoin/AnyOldAltCoin?

I don't get it...

first, it's not that i hate my privacy, but nice hyperbolic way to put me on the defensive before i even speak, i hear fox news is hiring. btw, i also "hate freedom" too Wink

My point is that i don't see a long-term success sroty for darkcoin BECAUSE of the darksend feature. i can imagine a future where it will be delisted BECAUSE of it's potential for anonymous transactions, i can understand many worldwide agencies which would want to shut it down because of this, even if it's optional.

my question was what is the "sister" coin to DRK, and it was answered HIRO, which *seems* to be the next leading X11 coin, that's all i want, is a coin that uses X11 that won't melt my apartment down with the summer heat incoming. That's it.

believe it or not, i don't give a shit about the darksend feature, and you'd probably be surprized at how many people feel the same way, DRK is in a bubble right now because of X11, not darksend. X11 is what everyone's moving their GPUs to, that's why DRK has caught so much attention.

trust me, just watch. if you could launder money easy as pie with darksend, do you NOT think that there are many people in this world who would take notice? there's a reason i stick with currencies which can be tracked aka bitcoin/litecoin. cause they're not in danger of being shutdown, delisted, destroyed like coins trying to become anonymous. shit even a dollar bill has a serial number on it, you don't think that no tracking, no serial number, no way of see money change hands isn't a huge liability in this world? you're kidding yourself.

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May 13, 2014, 08:00:07 PM
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I imagine it will rise a whole lot from here with greater adoption... 0.02 Mb/s is about 6.4GB/month I think? I can see 100GB being required pretty soon, and 1TB not very long after if all goes the way we hope it will.

I don't think I can follow you with bits and bytes here, please spell these out.

Looks to me like they are all hovering around 0.02Megabits/second, (Amazon scale is bytes, not bits)

Multiply 0.02 Mb/s by 2592000 (seconds in 30 days) = 51840 Mbits/month = 6480 Mbytes/month = 6.4GB/month

My arithmetic is crap though, and these are very rough numbers...  Tongue

Thank you. Mbps usually means Megabits and GB is often Gigabyte but you might never know. Smiley
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May 13, 2014, 08:00:32 PM
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Side note. I have a mess load of masternodes to setup. Wondering what others here are doing. How is the price with AWS? Or digitalOcean? Anyone getting billed extra for data or other things? Basically wondering what's best experience so far. I think tantestefana locked down an aws?

I was billed on AWS for excess data outbound (> 15GB) and so I moved to DigitalOcean. I think that for now the 1TB traffic included is enough  Smiley

This excess traffic was with older versions of the daemon and Evan said there were some reductions in bandwidth so.... well that's my 0.02 DRK
Awesome! Thanks for your .02 drk. Appreciate it!
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