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Request for clarification:

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 18, 2016, 10:57:44 AM

https://dashtalk.org/threads/good-thing-yall-started-publishing-dash-materials-in-russian-looks-like-irina-stumbled-on-them.7594/

Huh

I never realized the CoinJoin/DarkSend relationship was so touchy and highly controversial.

Is that a Because GMAX thing?

Is DarkSend (still) based on CoinJoin or not?

Why are the posters on dashtalk so angry about the issue?

It seems like nobody wants to address the disagreement on that DashTalk thread about whether or not DarkSend still uses CoinJoin.

I think I was right about it being a taboo subject because gmaxwell (inventor of CoinJoin) said "the only purpose DarkCoin serves is to depress me about the state of humanity."

So I did my own damn research, and found the Official Dash Wiki confirms CoinJoin is the "core concept" of DarkSend.

https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/Darksend

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Darksend is...an improved and extended version of the CoinJoin. In addition to the core concept of CoinJoin, we employ a series of improvements

If the wiki is outdated, please LMK (and maybe update it).

iCEQUACK, you got me at "research". It would be like seeing a pig fly, so I had to check it out.

What gmaxwel said, in context, was, on June 6 2014

"More amusingly, what DarkCoin does is highly centralized because the software is closed— you can't get more centralized than closed source. "

Then he explains why, and then

"From what I can tell the only purpose DarkCoin serves is to depress me about the state of humanity"

And he was 100% correct, except, DarkSend was closed source only until development was finished, and then it was open-sourced, in September 2014.

So, either you have no clue what research means, or, the more logical, you're trolling and FUD'ing. So scoot off and go find yet another moronic argument.

Your interpretation is illogical, because it's NOT as if DRK was gmaxwell's very first encounter with closed source! Maybe he was upset that Evan stole/broke his code for a closed project? FOSS devs are often picky about that licensing stuff, dont'cha know?

What you transparently dishonestly misrepresented as "context" excluded most of the key points about what else gmaxwell had to say about DarkCoin.

He also remarked on how horribly the unteachable DarkSend devs bungled the CoinJoin (re)implementation, scoffed at the idiocy of masternodes, and then unfavorably compared darkcoin to Monero and most every other anon technology (is that what upset you guys so much that you don't like to talk about it?).

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Post 5 in the CoinJoin thread writes in depth about implementing it in a decentralized way, none of which appears to have been implemented by the darkcoin developers as far as I can tell— from what I've heard it seems that they're not even able to understand it. (This is a disappointment to me, since I was trying to describe these ideas clearly so others could understand them.)

What the actual behavior is, is anyone's guess— it's impossible to review due to it being closed— though "masternodes" does not sound like something decenteralized, it sounds like something that creates a small chokepoint which could be used to deanonymize its users, like a server based CoinJoin but worse since you have to hold a huge pile of coins to run a server.

As I've said before CoinJoin is interesting because it's inherently part of Bitcoin already— it just needed better tools (and now there are some, e.g. darkwallet) to make it available to people. It's a privacy improvement over not having it, but it isn't perfect, but it also didn't require any changes to Bitcoin (much less a whole altcoin) to deploy it. In an incompatible system much better is possible as is proposed by ZeroCash and much better is actually _realized_ by Bytecoin (and its forks... Monero, Fantomcoin, etc.), the later are actually working (if immature, due reinventing many wheels) implementations of much stronger privacy, decentralized in their implementation, all released under a good open source license.

But that's ancient history. The real question is, does Evolution still use CoinJoin or what?