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Author Topic: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread  (Read 661424 times)
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May 16, 2014, 08:40:53 AM
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Here is a good article with a case study speaking about the big difference good design and simplicity can make.

http://firstround.com/article/Simple-Design-is-What-You-Need-Not-What-You-Want-1


As patmast3r said, we don't need idiotic simplicity, we need intuitive(Apple like) simplicity.

A good test when creating things would be to ask: "How would Steve Jobs make this?"



Thats a pretty good article. And it gets some important points across.
What I found most outstanding is the part of hiding information until it is needed. It is in some way a tutorial. And that is actually something all clients would need.

A process that guides you through its use step by step. Not offering you any other options than those currently necessary and not more than three. Better even two.

And yes, Steve was pretty good at doing things like that.

I guess one of the best ways to start out the whole thing, is to offer a slim client as the standard client. It's okay for NEM to have advanced features. It's not okay to offer all of them up front. New people should have the best experience using this coin as humanly possible. Maybe even having fun doing it.
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May 16, 2014, 08:47:07 AM
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Glad to hear some people which will look into that matter are on board.

And yes, you're right. I don't use online banking. I'm slightly paranoid when it comes to this. Sadly, online banking is the only modus operandi we can provide at the moment. I really doubt this will change anytime soon.

Besides that there are also problems like losing the private key (is there one with NEM? ), typing in the wrong address and hard to read addresses.

May it be possible to think about all those things before NEMs code won't permit any change in those directions?

Are there solutions to those things? I heard at least the problem of addresses typed wrong should be solveable to some extend.

If you loose your private-key you're screwed. That's just how it is with asymmetric cryptography. That's why you should always back it up (i.e. backing up your wallet)

Regarding the addresses - this is will certainly be handled in one way or another.

Actually, not necessarily.
Technologies like SIA and maidsafe offer options to make truly secure backups for private keys.

Imagine the client backing up the private key in a decentralized cloud and providing you with a password to access it.

This password would be the only way to get the key back and might be a way to minimize possible theft scenarios.

It would resemble a double system of local private key and brainwallet, where you are mostly using the local private key for convenience, but have the option to go for the brainwallet if you really fuck it up.
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May 16, 2014, 11:10:36 AM
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I just pray that the wallet is one click install.

And if this thread turns into, "my wallet wont sync, and I see..."

And people are posting

"just do this:

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

and you should be okay".

I'm gonna come and throw tomatoes!!


Let's make it easy to use, or all this work was for nothing. I have so much excitement for NEM coming soon and I don't want anything to F%$& it up!!

I love NEM!! Kiss



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+1 WOW what a community for NEM! I'm very proud to be here

that made me lol hard

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May 16, 2014, 11:16:16 AM
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What I am really wondering. Don't know if it came up anywhere by now.

Will NEM be easy to use? Like foolproof easy.
Cryptos are all nice and superior and grand technology and all. But what about usability?

Will the coin be designed in a way that average joy can use it without double or triple checking every transaction to make sure he doesn't send his money to a wrong place while still being secure?

This point is utterly important. Without ease of use NEM will be just another niche product for pretty smart people with a paranoid touch. And with ease of use I mean as easy and secure as having a bank account.

And I mean everyday secure. Not SHTF secure.

Secure as having a bank account ? I sure hope it's more secure than that.

The goal has always been to make the client as easy as possible. However people need to understand that with advanced functionality comes a certain kind of necessary complexity. As easy as possible doesn't always mean every idiot can use it without any problems because it's just not possible to make it THAT easy. Especially for the open alpha people should keep this in mind.

Price Question:
Which user of a wider audience actually cares about advanced functionality?
Most of these Features are impressive, but useless for everyday use. It's a bit like our current monetary System. I use my bank account. I withdraw, deposit and move Money. Those are the functions I Need.
The monetary System offers the stock Exchange and Banks and inner works and whatnot in the Background, but I don't have easy Access to them, I don't Need to have and most important, I don't want to.

And actually, a bank account is a lot more secure than any crypto wallet or System.
When was Money from a bank account stolen the last time? Mind, I don't talk about a crisis or inherent Problems of the system, Devaluation, apocalyptic circumstances, Aliens or Zombies.
I'm talking about someone beeing able to invade my Computer and steal my stuff.

Mentioning that it is easy to avoid is not a valid Argument. It is easy for you and it is easy for me. It is not easy for a lot of other People. You have to know what you do. You have to Keep your Computer safe. I can do it, you can do it, my grandma can't. Neither my mom and my dad struggles as well. My uncle is completly incompetent.
But those are the People that might be interested to use NEM as what it primarily is meant to be. A currency.

So, once again back to start.
I'm wondering. Does the NEM Team have any People in there for human interfacing. UI design.
I'm sure NEM will be powerfull. I'm sure NEM will be beautifully coded. But what it boils down to at the end is: "is it trivial to use?"

So, is there a UI designer in the Team or is it once again a programmer circlejerk?

Maybe someone here remembers minecraft. It was beautiful in the beginning and moved in a wonderful direction. Then Notch (A designer with programming skills) left and handed the development over to programmers.
There are now 4 times as many People working on the Project as initially. And they achieve almost nothing.
Mind, the code is beautiful by now. It's wonderful to look at. But they spent years developing something in the Background that is utterly meaningless to the People who use the product. It has become a programmer circlejerk.

Money from bank accounts is stolen everyday. Bad people make a living with that. As soon as you use online banking you're entire security is the hands of your bank. If your bank has a bad ssl implementation or something like that your bank account will be empty soon. With mobile payment apps and stuff like that the attack vector just gets bigger and bigger. You can argue that you don't use online banking but then I can argue that I will only use paper wallets. 

Yes there is a designer in the team and also a front-end developer (actually multiple designer and UI-devs but only 1 each are afaik working on the client.).

I think we need to define here what advanced functionality is. Anything except payment ? If so then I can tell you that it will be very easy with our client allthough I can't go into specifics right now because I'm not sure it'll be in the alpha and I don't want to spoil shit.

As long as it is easier than Nxt, i still can't get that shit running  Cheesy

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May 16, 2014, 11:40:19 AM
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I just pray that the wallet is one click install.

And if this thread turns into, "my wallet wont sync, and I see..."

And people are posting

"just do this:

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

and you should be okay".

I'm gonna come and throw tomatoes!!


Let's make it easy to use, or all this work was for nothing. I have so much excitement for NEM coming soon and I don't want anything to F%$& it up!!

I love NEM!! Kiss



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+1 WOW what a community for NEM! I'm very proud to be here

that made me lol hard

Smell like sockpuppet accounts to me.
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May 16, 2014, 02:10:47 PM
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This is awesome last time I checked it was like 10.000


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400+page soon
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May 16, 2014, 02:13:02 PM
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I just pray that the wallet is one click install.

And if this thread turns into, "my wallet wont sync, and I see..."

And people are posting

"just do this:

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

and you should be okay".

I'm gonna come and throw tomatoes!!


LOL

Let's make it easy to use, or all this work was for nothing. I have so much excitement for NEM coming soon and I don't want anything to F%$& it up!!

I love NEM!! Kiss



Im sure it will be. I trust the dev team.
+1,same
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May 16, 2014, 02:14:36 PM
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Meanwhile, it seems bitcoin services are rapidly improving.

https://www.circle.com/ - Instant, Secure, Insured and Free.
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May 16, 2014, 02:22:44 PM
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I just pray that the wallet is one click install.

And if this thread turns into, "my wallet wont sync, and I see..."

And people are posting

"just do this:

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

and you should be okay".

I'm gonna come and throw tomatoes!!


LOL

Let's make it easy to use, or all this work was for nothing. I have so much excitement for NEM coming soon and I don't want anything to F%$& it up!!

I love NEM!! Kiss



Im sure it will be. I trust the dev team.
+1,same
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May 16, 2014, 05:00:29 PM
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Is the NEM Release 2014 or 2015?

What do you think DEV`S ?

Thx

Very Lucky!!!
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May 16, 2014, 07:39:09 PM
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So when am I getting refunded my NXT back for the people that didn't qualify?

I need refunds ASAP
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May 16, 2014, 07:43:56 PM
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As long as it is easier than Nxt, i still can't get that shit running  Cheesy

Really? What can't you get running with this client?

http://nxtra.org/nxt-wallet/

My even my grandma runs it fine

 
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May 16, 2014, 09:08:56 PM
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Meanwhile, it seems bitcoin services are rapidly improving.

https://www.circle.com/ - Instant, Secure, Insured and Free.

Indeed, very interesting. I signed up.

I request invite, when starting?

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May 16, 2014, 09:31:29 PM
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So when am I getting refunded my NXT back for the people that didn't qualify?

I need refunds ASAP

Refund are already available. Go here to make a refund request https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=612105.0

I will close the earlier stake complaint thread and open the new thread that can accommodate complaint as well as refund + change account requests.


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May 16, 2014, 10:26:35 PM
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Adding programmable buttons to a smartphone is a good accessory. A new way to launch the NEM app or unlocking the wallet by fetching the password from an internal password safe.

This 4-button NFC sticker can be programmed to perform individual tasks including launching apps and controlling settings. http://dimple.io/
http://dimple.io/images/1.png
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May 16, 2014, 11:50:03 PM
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Is the NEM Release 2014 or 2015?

What do you think DEV`S ?

Thx


This year I hope!  Wink

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May 17, 2014, 12:36:28 AM
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Adding programmable buttons to a smartphone is a good accessory. A new way to launch the NEM app or unlocking the wallet by fetching the password from an internal password safe.

This 4-button NFC sticker can be programmed to perform individual tasks including launching apps and controlling settings. http://dimple.io/


Well get started on it.

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May 17, 2014, 01:16:03 AM
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As long as it is easier than Nxt, i still can't get that shit running  Cheesy

Really? What can't you get running with this client?

http://nxtra.org/nxt-wallet/

My even my grandma runs it fine

 

I use linux and i get runtime errors running the official client.

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May 17, 2014, 01:44:31 AM
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‘Nod to Pay’ App Lets Google Glass Wearers Spend Bitcoin:
http://www.coindesk.com/nod-pay-app-google-glass-launched/

NEM is the future
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May 17, 2014, 06:32:53 AM
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As long as it is easier than Nxt, i still can't get that shit running  Cheesy

Really? What can't you get running with this client?

http://nxtra.org/nxt-wallet/

My even my grandma runs it fine

 

I use linux and i get runtime errors running the official client.

What version of the client and what version of Java?

I believe Wesley is planning one click client for Linux too.


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